Official 2008 Election thread

[Phoenix Dark]

 

I would not have expected you to take the "Obama will sweep" position. He'll win most of those states, maybe all - but I don't see him blowing her out outside of LA and Hawaii. The delegates in Texas and Ohio will more than make up for it anyway

[Mandark]

Obama will crush in Baltimore, DC, and PG County.  Hillary should do well in certain DC burbs, though.  After all, the Verizon Center proudly hangs not one, not two, but THREE WNBA Attendance Champions banners for the Mystics.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

We are the Mystics
Our b-ball's better
We are the Mystics, the Mystics
...and we're gonna 'lect her!

[Human Snorenado]

I would not have expected you to take the "Obama will sweep" position. He'll win most of those states, maybe all - but I don't see him blowing her out outside of LA and Hawaii. The delegates in Texas and Ohio will more than make up for it anyway

States that Obama has gotten more than 60% of the vote:

Alaska
Georgia
Colorado
Idaho
Illinois
Kansas
Minnesota
North Dakota

States that Hillary has gotten more than 60% of the vote:

Arkansas

She's not blowing him out of any races, but he's doing it to her.  So if he blows her out of even a couple and doubles up on delegates on those states and she barely beats him in Ohio and Texas, he's still going to be winning.  Why do you fear an Obama victory so much, Maurice?  Because all of the articles you read last year said it was inevitable that Hillary would win?  tsc tsc

Also, again:  explain how "she's basically going to split the next couple of states with him".

Oh Maurice.  So young.  So ignorant.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I think Maurice's Oreo-upbringing has prejudiced him against Obamarama

[Mandark]

Obama crushes at retail politics, and has more time for campaigning than he did for Super Tuesday.

Still, Clinton has massive name recognition and the demographics favor her after February.

So what I'm saying is... splunge.

[Mr. Gundam]

Washington- caucus state with plenty of yuppies, Obama polling up by 22 points

We've also got a lot of college kids pushing for Obama bigtime. There's a lot of excitement out here for the caucus on Saturday, as our vote will truly mean something this time. It should be really interesting to see the turnout at my precinct's caucus, seeing how my neighborhood is very yuppie, very anti-war, and very green. We're also near the University of Washington, so a lot of college kids rent around us, too.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Obama is holding up surprisingly well against Hillary.  Which is why I believe he has a good shot at getting more delegates overall.

I still think Hillary will win though.  I don't think there is going to be that much Obama can do now.  Even the endorsements of both Senators, Obama still lost in Massachusetts.  Hillary fucked up constantly in January and yet they still came out in large numbers to vote for her.  Obama is running a well oiled campaign and still has less delegates than Hillary.  That is not a good thing.  All Hillary has to do is not fuck up and she will wrap many states up post Super Tuesday.

The Clinton machine is a powerful one.  2 Clintons vs. 1 Obama.

[Mr. Gundam]

Just got back from our precinct caucus in Seattle (precinct #1278, Greenlake neighborhood).

There were about 20 precincts at our site, and it was absolutely packed. 116 people voted in our precinct. 91 for Obama, 21 for Clinton, 1 for Edwards, 3 undecided. Our precinct had 8 delegates to send to the county caucus in April. 6 for Obama, 2 for Clinton.

It was really nice to meet a lot of neighbors who we'd never seen before, too.

[drozmight]

I didn't think the primary was until the 19th?

[Mr. Gundam]

I didn't think the primary was until the 19th?

The caucuses were today, the primary is on the 19th.

The Democratic caucus determines 100% of the delegates.
The Republican caucus determines 50% of the delegates, the Republican primary determines 50% of the delegates.

[drozmight]

Oh...

Well shit.

[brawndolicious]

CNN:
Clinton:1,100
Obama:1,039

MSNBC:
Clinton:855
Obama:861

Politico:
Clinton:1,00
Obama:902

FNC:
Clinton:1,055
Obama:998

Tomorrow is Maine.
Tuesday is DC, Maryland, and Virginia.
The next Tuesday will be Hawaii, Washington, and Wisconsin.

Realistically, it seems that Obama will win.

[Human Snorenado]

Obama speech of epic pwnage at tonight's Jefferson-Jackson dinner:

[youtube=425,350]7hUngQ8-wLU [/youtube]

[Phoenix Dark]

Virginia's governor (Kaine) was pretty damn awesome at the dinner. 

I heard he was on Obama's possible VP list

[AdmiralViscen]

I would not have expected you to take the "Obama will sweep" position. He'll win most of those states, maybe all - but I don't see him blowing her out outside of LA and Hawaii. The delegates in Texas and Ohio will more than make up for it anyway

[Phoenix Dark]

BELIEVE

[Human Snorenado]

You're pretty much wrong about everything Pee Dee.  It's pretty awesome.

[Eric P]

Virginia's governor (Kaine) was pretty damn awesome at the dinner. 

I heard he was on Obama's possible VP list

virginians LOVE kaine.

it's really impossible to describe

[Himu]

[Mr. Gundam]

 

No no no. NO.

After all your BS, I want pictures of you eating your own poop. Not "solid weekend for Obama" when he swept her ass by double digits in every contest and is poised to do the same on Tuesday.

 

[Human Snorenado]

No no no. NO.

After all your BS, I want pictures of you eating your own poop. Not "solid weekend for Obama" when he swept her ass by double digits in every contest and is poised to do the same on Tuesday.

 

Poor Maurice.  It's a shame that he's trying to hold the black man down.

[Himu]

i'm not paying attention to this election at all but i'm voting for obama becuz he's black

too bad the chances of him getting assassinated are 95%

[Human Snorenado]

i'm not paying attention to this election at all but i'm voting for obama becuz he's black

too bad the chances of him getting assassinated are 95%

YOU CAN'T KILL THE MAGICAL NEGRO

[Bloodwake]

Wasn't Gay Boy the one who said Hillary had it in the bag?

Yeah, after he basically kicked ass everywhere over the weekend, I wouldn't be surprised to see Obama eventually win this thing even before it gets to Kentucky. Damn. I was actually thinking that the May primary might actually COUNT for something.

[brawndolicious]

yeah bloodwake, it'll definitely be over by May.

CNN
Clinton:1,148
Obama:1,121

MSNBC
Clinton:895
Obama:943

Politico
Clinton:1,064
Obama:1,029

FNC
Clinton:1,127
Obama:1,093

Counting numbers if fun.  And Clinton replaced her Campaign manager for failing to lock in the nomination by Super Tuesday.  It's awesome how the election is still neck-and-neck after Super Tuesday.  Obama will win of course though.

[Ichirou]

I've been reading up, listening to news podcasts, watching speeches on YouTube, and I'm riding the Obama Express.  The guy is awesome.

[Rman]

i'm not paying attention to this election at all but i'm voting for obama becuz he's black

too bad the chances of him getting assassinated are 95%

Oh Jeez, Himuro.

I'm not saying it's not a possibility, but that's getting tired.  50cent said something similar.  Don't hold a brotha back, himuro.

[MrAngryFace]

yeah bloodwake, it'll definitely be over by May.

CNN
Clinton:1,148
Obama:1,121

MSNBC
Clinton:895
Obama:943

Politico
Clinton:1,064
Obama:1,029

FNC
Clinton:1,127
Obama:1,093

Counting numbers if fun.  And Clinton replaced her Campaign manager for failing to lock in the nomination by Super Tuesday.  It's awesome how the election is still neck-and-neck after Super Tuesday.  Obama will win of course though.

Most seem to be falling back on the Associated Press' numbers.

[Ichirou]

I thought "conventional wisdom" (lol) stated it was gonna be a close race but Clinton was gonna get the nomination.  Seems like everyone nowadays thinks Obama's gonna win it...big turnaround.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Superdelegates are going to secure Hillary's victory.

Obama is going to need to win pretty much everything from here on out to cancel out the superdelegates Hillary will probably receive.  SD's are the only reason why Hillary has any kind of lead over Obama.  If Hillary wins by SDs, then there will be serious, serious problems for the Democrats, which will practically secure a McCain victory. 

[MrAngryFace]

U ALL SHOULD GO WORK FOR POLITICS WITH INNER WISDOM RITE

[Phoenix Dark]

Superdelegates are going to secure Hillary's victory.

Obama is going to need to win pretty much everything from here on out to cancel out the superdelegates Hillary will probably receive.  SD's are the only reason why Hillary has any kind of lead over Obama.  If Hillary wins by SDs, then there will be serious, serious problems for the Democrats, which will practically secure a McCain victory. 

There were rumblings about Dean not wanting this to still be contested going into the convention. While I've always figured super delegates would secure Clinton's victory I wonder if the party is starting to realize that if that happens it would destroy the dem's 08 chances. Obama has already said that he's not convinced his supporters will support Clinton - the bad blood is undeniable. If Obama goes into the convention with a 60-100 delegate lead on Clinton, and SD's still go for Clinton...damn. It would be disastrous, but at the same time it would ensure an Obama sweep in 2012

[Human Snorenado]

Superdelegates are going to secure Hillary's victory.

Obama is going to need to win pretty much everything from here on out to cancel out the superdelegates Hillary will probably receive.  SD's are the only reason why Hillary has any kind of lead over Obama.  If Hillary wins by SDs, then there will be serious, serious problems for the Democrats, which will practically secure a McCain victory. 

There were rumblings about Dean not wanting this to still be contested going into the convention. While I've always figured super delegates would secure Clinton's victory I wonder if the party is starting to realize that if that happens it would destroy the dem's 08 chances. Obama has already said that he's not convinced his supporters will support Clinton - the bad blood is undeniable. If Obama goes into the convention with a 60-100 delegate lead on Clinton, and SD's still go for Clinton...damn. It would be disastrous, but at the same time it would ensure an Obama sweep in 2012

The race is over after March 4th.  She'll lose Texas AND Ohio.  She'll drop out. 

[AdmiralViscen]

Superdelegates are going to secure Hillary's victory.

Obama is going to need to win pretty much everything from here on out to cancel out the superdelegates Hillary will probably receive.  SD's are the only reason why Hillary has any kind of lead over Obama.  If Hillary wins by SDs, then there will be serious, serious problems for the Democrats, which will practically secure a McCain victory. 

There were rumblings about Dean not wanting this to still be contested going into the convention. While I've always figured super delegates would secure Clinton's victory I wonder if the party is starting to realize that if that happens it would destroy the dem's 08 chances. Obama has already said that he's not convinced his supporters will support Clinton - the bad blood is undeniable. If Obama goes into the convention with a 60-100 delegate lead on Clinton, and SD's still go for Clinton...damn. It would be disastrous, but at the same time it would ensure an Obama sweep in 2012

The race is over after March 4th.  She'll lose Texas AND Ohio.  She'll drop out. 

That's a bold claim.

[Human Snorenado]

Superdelegates are going to secure Hillary's victory.

Obama is going to need to win pretty much everything from here on out to cancel out the superdelegates Hillary will probably receive.  SD's are the only reason why Hillary has any kind of lead over Obama.  If Hillary wins by SDs, then there will be serious, serious problems for the Democrats, which will practically secure a McCain victory. 

There were rumblings about Dean not wanting this to still be contested going into the convention. While I've always figured super delegates would secure Clinton's victory I wonder if the party is starting to realize that if that happens it would destroy the dem's 08 chances. Obama has already said that he's not convinced his supporters will support Clinton - the bad blood is undeniable. If Obama goes into the convention with a 60-100 delegate lead on Clinton, and SD's still go for Clinton...damn. It would be disastrous, but at the same time it would ensure an Obama sweep in 2012

The race is over after March 4th.  She'll lose Texas AND Ohio.  She'll drop out. 

That's a bold claim.

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!  I DRINK IT UP!

Well, you can listen to Pee Dee, who said it would be close in Washington state, who said Clinton would win Maine, who said Virginia would be close despite polling indicating a blowout...

Or you could listen to me, who's been right about EVERYTHING SINCE SUPER TUESDAY.

Also, HOW ABOUT YOUR PREDICTION NOW WILLCO?

[AdmiralViscen]

Not saying you're wrong.

[TakingBackSunday]

No, Clinton will win AT LEAST PA, I think.  This thing is STILL going to the convention, and the super delegates are gonna have to decide.

I still think Obama will get the nom though.

[Bloodwake]

I'm going to maybe volunteer for Obama if he campaigns heavily in Kentucky.

Seriously, Clinton isn't fucking winning this state if I can do anything about it.

[Phoenix Dark]

Superdelegates are going to secure Hillary's victory.

Obama is going to need to win pretty much everything from here on out to cancel out the superdelegates Hillary will probably receive.  SD's are the only reason why Hillary has any kind of lead over Obama.  If Hillary wins by SDs, then there will be serious, serious problems for the Democrats, which will practically secure a McCain victory. 

There were rumblings about Dean not wanting this to still be contested going into the convention. While I've always figured super delegates would secure Clinton's victory I wonder if the party is starting to realize that if that happens it would destroy the dem's 08 chances. Obama has already said that he's not convinced his supporters will support Clinton - the bad blood is undeniable. If Obama goes into the convention with a 60-100 delegate lead on Clinton, and SD's still go for Clinton...damn. It would be disastrous, but at the same time it would ensure an Obama sweep in 2012

The race is over after March 4th.  She'll lose Texas AND Ohio.  She'll drop out. 

 

[Human Snorenado]

Superdelegates are going to secure Hillary's victory.

Obama is going to need to win pretty much everything from here on out to cancel out the superdelegates Hillary will probably receive.  SD's are the only reason why Hillary has any kind of lead over Obama.  If Hillary wins by SDs, then there will be serious, serious problems for the Democrats, which will practically secure a McCain victory. 

There were rumblings about Dean not wanting this to still be contested going into the convention. While I've always figured super delegates would secure Clinton's victory I wonder if the party is starting to realize that if that happens it would destroy the dem's 08 chances. Obama has already said that he's not convinced his supporters will support Clinton - the bad blood is undeniable. If Obama goes into the convention with a 60-100 delegate lead on Clinton, and SD's still go for Clinton...damn. It would be disastrous, but at the same time it would ensure an Obama sweep in 2012

The race is over after March 4th.  She'll lose Texas AND Ohio.  She'll drop out. 

 

Who cares what you think, Poli-Konex?

[Phoenix Dark]

I may have horrible luck, but there's no way my ship sinks with Texas/Ohio loses. One, but not both

[TVC15]

I dunno.  Things had best get decided soon.  The longer this drags out, the worse it is for the Democrats.

If Hillary gets the nom, I'm not voting this year, though.  Fuck her DINO ass.

[Human Snorenado]

I dunno.  Things had best get decided soon.  The longer this drags out, the worse it is for the Democrats.

If Hillary gets the nom, I'm not voting this year, though.  Fuck her DINO ass.

It would be the first time!

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Without a strap-on!

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[Mandark]

I don't think this is bad for the eventual Democratic nominee.  Maybe if it turned nasty and they hit each other with slime that would stick through the general election, or if it were to end with a skeezy brokered convention scenario.

But so far the close race has meant that states which are usually ignored are getting a lot of ads and organizing, and the campaigns are continuing to raise funds.  The turnout numbers are pretty ridiculous, and it keeps them on the front page above the fold.

Ideally, the nominee will have a crapload of people who feel invested in their campaign, including volunteer networks already set up in most of the country and a massive donor base.

[Mr. Gundam]

CNN now has Obama with more delegates than Clinton.

[AdmiralViscen]

PD is right again!

Another rat off Hillary's ship tonight, but she has a Spanish boy on stage with her so its ok

[AdmiralViscen]

Obama won with Virginia latinos

[Phoenix Dark]

PD is right again!

Another rat off Hillary's ship tonight, but she has a Spanish boy on stage with her so its ok

I'm sinking with the ship: if she loses Texas I'm not only banned, but I'm switching sides. It's hard to defend her latest slavo of comments on the irrelevance of various states; she's dismissing Obama's latest wins in red states, saying they don't matter since the dems won't win them in November...then she takes a plane ride to Texas to campaign until March. Wow

[MrAngryFace]

We could compete with Russia's Putin pics!

[Human Snorenado]

PD is right again!

Another rat off Hillary's ship tonight, but she has a Spanish boy on stage with her so its ok

I'm sinking with the ship: if she loses Texas I'm not only banned, but I'm switching sides. It's hard to defend her latest slavo of comments on the irrelevance of various states; she's dismissing Obama's latest wins in red states, saying they don't matter since the dems won't win them in November...then she takes a plane ride to Texas to campaign until March. Wow

I TOLD YOU MOTHERFUCKER

[Bloodwake]

Wow, Obama just keeps kicking even more ass.

[AdmiralViscen]

After all her blustering about Obama's neutral votes in Illinois, Hillary doesn't even show up to vote on the Telcom immunity issue. Bravo bitch

[Mandark]

Well, I got to vote for one Edwards who won.  That was nice.

[Human Snorenado]

Well, I got to vote for one Edwards[/u] who won.  That was nice.

Yeah, it's cool that Wynn got the boot.  No more free rides for skeezy dems.

[AdmiralViscen]

“I want to congratulate Sen. Obama on his recent victories and tell him to meet me in Texas. We’re ready,” she said, before brushing off questions about her apparent struggles by saying, “that’s what I always thought would happen. So we are very well positioned to compete in these big states and that’s what I intend to do. This is a long journey to the nomination. Some weeks one of us is up and the other is down, and then we reverse it . . . It’s a long and winding road.”



It's amazing how she's willing to totally shrug off the value of a dozen or so states, just like that. It's kind of pathetic to just keep saying that only big states like TX/OH/NY/CA matter. It's insulting to... every other state.

[y2kev]

“I want to congratulate Sen. Obama on his recent victories and tell him to meet me in Texas. We’re ready,” she said, before brushing off questions about her apparent struggles by saying, “that’s what I always thought would happen. So we are very well positioned to compete in these big states and that’s what I intend to do. This is a long journey to the nomination. Some weeks one of us is up and the other is down, and then we reverse it . . . It’s a long and winding road.”



It's amazing how she's willing to totally shrug off the value of a dozen or so states, just like that. It's kind of pathetic to just keep saying that only big states like TX/OH/NY/CA matter. It's insulting to... every other state.

You don't think the electoral system is insulting to every other state?

[Bloodwake]

“I want to congratulate Sen. Obama on his recent victories and tell him to meet me in Texas. We’re ready,” she said, before brushing off questions about her apparent struggles by saying, “that’s what I always thought would happen. So we are very well positioned to compete in these big states and that’s what I intend to do. This is a long journey to the nomination. Some weeks one of us is up and the other is down, and then we reverse it . . . It’s a long and winding road.”



It's amazing how she's willing to totally shrug off the value of a dozen or so states, just like that. It's kind of pathetic to just keep saying that only big states like TX/OH/NY/CA matter. It's insulting to... every other state.

Pretty much. I would like to add that if Obama wins Texas, I will laugh harder than I ever have in my life.

[AdmiralViscen]

“I want to congratulate Sen. Obama on his recent victories and tell him to meet me in Texas. We’re ready,” she said, before brushing off questions about her apparent struggles by saying, “that’s what I always thought would happen. So we are very well positioned to compete in these big states and that’s what I intend to do. This is a long journey to the nomination. Some weeks one of us is up and the other is down, and then we reverse it . . . It’s a long and winding road.”



It's amazing how she's willing to totally shrug off the value of a dozen or so states, just like that. It's kind of pathetic to just keep saying that only big states like TX/OH/NY/CA matter. It's insulting to... every other state.

You don't think the electoral system is insulting to every other state?

Is the electoral system trying to get people to vote for it and present itself as the most electable candidate?

And the electoral college benefits the other states, not insults them.

[Human Snorenado]

“I want to congratulate Sen. Obama on his recent victories and tell him to meet me in Texas. We’re ready,” she said, before brushing off questions about her apparent struggles by saying, “that’s what I always thought would happen. So we are very well positioned to compete in these big states and that’s what I intend to do. This is a long journey to the nomination. Some weeks one of us is up and the other is down, and then we reverse it . . . It’s a long and winding road.”



It's amazing how she's willing to totally shrug off the value of a dozen or so states, just like that. It's kind of pathetic to just keep saying that only big states like TX/OH/NY/CA matter. It's insulting to... every other state.

Pretty much. I would like to add that if Obama wins Texas, I will laugh harder than I ever have in my life.

You can laugh doubly hard, for Pee Dee will be banned from GAF for a month!