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abrader

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Why Dragons Lair Blu-Ray matters
« on: December 13, 2007, 04:50:50 AM »
I have a long history of Dragons Lair disappointments...

I loved the coin-op laser-disk original.

Every version since then has never measured up - and for fucks sake this isnt a hard game to get right....

My problems with each edition...

- 3DO edition: Are you fucking kidding me? 1/3 of the footage, horribly compressed, no stage randomization, no score keeping, move timings nothing like the arcade and even worse many moves being different form the arcade and not fitting the scene.

- PC CDROM edition: see 3DO edition

- bastardized console games with the same name like Dragons Lair SNES: WTF is this shyt?

- DVD edition: getting close - but no proper stage randomizer, no score keeper and varying DVD player reaction speeds and seek times make the game go from 'passable' to completely sucky on some machines. They at least got all of the scenes in there, and not all fucked up compressed looking like the CD ROM versions or yore....if you wanted to watch the dragons lair scenes as a movie - this can work. If you want the arcade game experience - this sucks ass.

I pretty much gave up on ever being able to have the same arcade experience unless I just tracked down one of the machines and one of the olde laserdisks for the cabinet :(

Why is the score tracking important?

Why else do you play classic coin-op with friends over a few beers etc? ITs not to say "I think I got past three screens of Galaga" - its to play single credit games for score and score alone. Dragons Lair isnt some epic adventure game...its basically the worlds first giant QTE battle with pretty artwork or "graphics" if you call them that. You get higher score by completing more consecutive randomized stages and even more score per stage if you can keep going for many moves/stages on a single life. 2 people can play the exact same set of stages and have a different score. This game is lovely and easy for a casual to get into - but you MUST have a bloody arcade authentic scoring system.

Why is the proper arcade stage randomization important?

QTE games where you can just remember all of the moves would get old fast....score games of dragons lair arent nearly as fun if its just a memory challenge. The PROPER arcade stage randomization;

a.) randomly swaps out the stage a player will encounter at certain intervals
b.) mirror a stage at high speeds for maximum trickyness
c.) randomize the moves in a stage (for example, one trip thru the lizardmans maze could be left, left, right - another could be right, right,right) Dragons Lair just isnt worth a shit without this as its a snorefest if its the same stages and moves in the same order every time you play ala every other shitty home version of this game.

So back to the Dragons Lair Blu Ray - finally they fucking got it right. They made use of the Blu Ray Java capabilities  and finally delivered ARCADE PERFECT scoring and stage randomization. This version is actually fun to play. (I know there is an HD DVD edition of this too, but I dont know if it has the great score keeping and stage randomization features of the Blu Ray disk - anyone know?)

Great sound + great HD transfers of the laserdisk artwork (looks like its upscaled/stretched for sure but the colors are LOVELY) + True coinop stage randomization and scoring = The ultimate version for fans of the coin-op.
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abrader

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Re: Why Dragons Lair Blu-Ray matters
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2007, 10:39:37 AM »
when is Space Ace out?

NO GET THE FUCK OUT - THERE IS A BLU RAY SPACE ACE COMING?

CLIFFF HANGER TOO>?




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Re: Why Dragons Lair Blu-Ray matters
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2007, 02:56:24 PM »
CLIFFF HANGER TOO>?
Cliffhanger will probably never see a rerelease due to the Herculean liscencing difficulties that you would have to face to get it done today.  Sorry to quash your hopes there buddy.

abrader

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Re: Why Dragons Lair Blu-Ray matters
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2007, 03:03:48 PM »
CLIFFF HANGER TOO>?
Cliffhanger will probably never see a rerelease due to the Herculean liscencing difficulties that you would have to face to get it done today.  Sorry to quash your hopes there buddy.

CliffHanger was wkyd laserdisk QTE.


abrader

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Re: Why Dragons Lair Blu-Ray matters
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2007, 06:01:45 PM »
DCCharlie - are you a seasoned coin-op DL vet? Or did you just see it and never play it?


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Re: Why Dragons Lair Blu-Ray matters
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2007, 06:12:01 PM »
there's also an HD-DVD version

edit- i see you have mentioned that already
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Smooth Groove

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Re: Why Dragons Lair Blu-Ray matters
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2007, 06:17:23 PM »
I saw Lair and Blu-ray and then I started laughing. 

brawndolicious

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Re: Why Dragons Lair Blu-Ray matters
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2007, 06:23:42 PM »
Make this the official thread of space ace.  No doubt that if I played it today I would find it horrible (it actually seemed pretty good though) but I'll live in the nostalgia.

The Sceneman

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Re: Why Dragons Lair Blu-Ray matters
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2007, 06:29:37 PM »
I saw Lair and Blu-ray and then I started laughing. 

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Re: Why Dragons Lair Blu-Ray matters
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2007, 07:11:53 PM »
The only version of Dragon's Lair I've played was the Sega CD version. Can't say I was a fan.
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abrader

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Re: Why Dragons Lair Blu-Ray matters
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2007, 08:49:10 PM »
I blame the half assed home versions for the majority of the dragons lair hate.

Without the stage randomizer and score keeping the game is no way any fun.

The only two versions that are playable are coinop ad Blu Ray/HDDVD (when someone can say the HD DVD scripting for the stage randomization and score is as good)

Thats why I wondered if DC charlie played the coin-op - i feel if you only played home versions, you havent played DL.

I never did finish Space Ace so I share the sentiment that it is more interesting as a prospect.






abrader

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Re: Why Dragons Lair Blu-Ray matters
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2007, 08:49:30 PM »
The only version of Dragon's Lair I've played was the Sega CD version. Can't say I was a fan.

Thats like the 3DO and PC CDROM editions - ewww.


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Re: Why Dragons Lair Blu-Ray matters
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2007, 08:50:49 PM »
playing on my Xbox with Daphne and a laserdisc rip is good
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Re: Why Dragons Lair Blu-Ray matters
« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2007, 08:53:43 PM »
i remember dropping several quarters into a dragon's lair arcade machine when i was 4 or 5. i think that event delayed my getting into videogames by several years -- it took super mario bros to HEAL THE WOUNDS

but that said, i kind of liked space ace II years later, and now i want to try the dragon's lair bd -- i somehow assumed that the controls would be unresponsive

abrader

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Re: Why Dragons Lair Blu-Ray matters
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2007, 09:10:31 PM »
i remember dropping several quarters into a dragon's lair arcade machine when i was 4 or 5. i think that event delayed my getting into videogames by several years -- it took super mario bros to HEAL THE WOUNDS

but that said, i kind of liked space ace II years later, and now i want to try the dragon's lair bd -- i somehow assumed that the controls would be unresponsive

If you are using a BD player remote its not optimal - usually the enter button used for the sword is in the middle of the direction buttons making it hard to clear some rooms.

My PS3 is my BD player so the PS3 controller control pad and x button works great.


abrader

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Re: Why Dragons Lair Blu-Ray matters
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2007, 09:10:55 PM »
playing on my Xbox with Daphne and a laserdisc rip is good

Ahh does that emulate the arcade logic?