There are still people fighting about Blade Runner

[MrAngryFace]

Been tooling around the net and there are people who still dont think Deckard is a replicant in the movie's final cut. It makes me sad!

[Eel O'Brian]

ridley scott thinks those people are idiots

[MrAngryFace]

I know, and it makes me sad. They argue against the motherfuckin director of the movie, like Blade Runner is real and Ridley misinterpreted the events when he went to the future in his goddamned time machine.

[TVC15]

He's definitely a replicant in the Final Cut and the DC.  That's the one thing I dislike about the movie; they made it too obvious.  The unicorn dream is too dumb and too much of a giveaway.  The theatrical cut was more ambiguous, though not in a great way; it was ambiguous because the unicorn origami just didn't make a whole lot of sense, and triggered thinking in viewers.

[MrAngryFace]

They made it obvious to shut people the fuck up, it didnt work. Ridley had an intention, and he used to final cut to make it clear and stop the feud.

[MrAngryFace]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sides they can read the book and have their human deckard anyway rite

[TVC15]

It's been clear since the Director's Cut, though.  He didn't offer any new evidence in the Final Cut.  As a matter of fact, he removed one of the pieces of evidence (by explaining the "missing" sixth replicant).

[MrAngryFace]

Yes but with this release he said if you cant figure it out youre stupid, which added closure

Seriously tho the movie is simply not DEEP enough to make the is he isnt he REALLY thought provoking

[AdmiralViscen]

It's been clear since the Director's Cut, though.  He didn't offer any new evidence in the Final Cut.  As a matter of fact, he removed one of the pieces of evidence (by explaining the "missing" sixth replicant).

How is this explained?

[TVC15]

It's been clear since the Director's Cut, though.  He didn't offer any new evidence in the Final Cut.  As a matter of fact, he removed one of the pieces of evidence (by explaining the "missing" sixth replicant).

How is this explained?

When Bryant is explaining the situation to Deckard at the beginning, it has been changed so he says that two replicants were fried in the electric field, whereas every previous cut has said only one.

[AdmiralViscen]

It's been clear since the Director's Cut, though.  He didn't offer any new evidence in the Final Cut.  As a matter of fact, he removed one of the pieces of evidence (by explaining the "missing" sixth replicant).

How is this explained?

When Bryant is explaining the situation to Deckard at the beginning, it has been changed so he says that two replicants were fried in the electric field, whereas every previous cut has said only one.

So there's another scene with mismatched lips and dubs? lol

Good fix though.

[TVC15]

It's been clear since the Director's Cut, though.  He didn't offer any new evidence in the Final Cut.  As a matter of fact, he removed one of the pieces of evidence (by explaining the "missing" sixth replicant).

How is this explained?

When Bryant is explaining the situation to Deckard at the beginning, it has been changed so he says that two replicants were fried in the electric field, whereas every previous cut has said only one.

So there's another scene with mismatched lips and dubs? lol

Good fix though.

Oh no, they fixed all that in the final cut, with CG.  You can't tell they fixed it with CG.  It all looks natural and shit.  All the retouched effects in the movie don't look CG-y either.  The movie is like, visually perfect.

[MrAngryFace]

The movie is amazing looking and an example for all future restorations god damnit its awwwwwwwwwwomg

[AdmiralViscen]

It's been clear since the Director's Cut, though.  He didn't offer any new evidence in the Final Cut.  As a matter of fact, he removed one of the pieces of evidence (by explaining the "missing" sixth replicant).

How is this explained?

When Bryant is explaining the situation to Deckard at the beginning, it has been changed so he says that two replicants were fried in the electric field, whereas every previous cut has said only one.

So there's another scene with mismatched lips and dubs? lol

Good fix though.

Oh no, they fixed all that in the final cut, with CG.  You can't tell they fixed it with CG.  It all looks natural and shit.  All the retouched effects in the movie don't look CG-y either.  The movie is like, visually perfect.

Fuck, I need to buy this.

[TVC15]

It's neat having all the major cuts of it in HD, because you can go back and forth between all the versions to confirm they changed/fixed little details.  The dubbing is still not fixed in the old cuts, so you can always go back and confirm that you aren't misremembering the bad dubbing or any other snafus :p

[MrAngryFace]

Did you watch the workprint yet?

[Eel O'Brian]

Okay, if what they're alluding to in the final cut is Deckard being one of the replicants from that group then that makes no sense.

[MrAngryFace]

Deckards all up in replicantville, he's a military grade noodle eater.

[TVC15]

Okay, if what they're alluding to in the final cut is Deckard being one of the replicants from that group then that makes no sense.

Which is why it makes sense that they fixed it in the final cut.  

I haven't watched the workprint yet.  I haven't watched the like half hour of cut scenes not in any version yet, either.

[MrAngryFace]

Do the cutscenes have more of the chinese noodle man?

[Eel O'Brian]

the ghosts in my wifi must have confused me

he must have some duracell replicant batteries, though, because everyone acts like they've known him for years and years

[TVC15]

Not sure.  They are apparently pretty interesting.  There was apparently some entire subplot that was cut out, so if you watch the cut scenes in sequence, you get like a mini-story.

The only detail I remember offhand is that Deckard visits the dude from the first scene in the hospital.  The guy in the beginning that gets teh shot.

[MrAngryFace]

the ghosts in my wifi must have confused me

he must have some duracell replicant batteries, though, because everyone acts like they've known him for years and years

All two people?

[TVC15]

the ghosts in my wifi must have confused me

he must have some duracell replicant batteries, though, because everyone acts like they've known him for years and years

I don't think Ridley Scott's "he is a replicant" thing should have been emphasized and confirmed.  it would have been much better if he left it up in the air.  That unicorn dream ruins the whole mystery

[Eel O'Brian]

more like three or four, and why would they put on that kind of act, he must be special

[MrAngryFace]

Did no one else see The Golden Compass? My drunk bear thread is dying

[TVC15]

Also, having Deckard be a replicant kind of ruins a potential theme.

If Deckard were a human, it would mean that all the replicants want is life, which is a very human feeling, and all the humans were heartless to their replicant emotions.

Deckard as a replicant means that all humans are heartless, and some replicants are, too.

So Deckard as a human = you got yourself a neat subversive theme.  Deckard as a replicant = theme gone but OMG HE IS AN ANDROID

[MrAngryFace]

yes, but a replicant being heartless just like humans is just as humanizing as a replicant showing compassion, besides, Deckard didnt KNOW he was a replicant and he was 'heartless' doing a 'Mans Job'. I mean its not really a choice he made, he was just being what he was programmed to be.

[TVC15]

But all replicants acting consistently as a force seeking life would be more in line with Tyrell's motto of MORE HUMAN THAN HUMAN.  Deckard as a replicant, is simply human and nothing more.

[MrAngryFace]

Tyrell was also a gigantic nimrod that got his skull crushed.

[TVC15]

But Batty didn't have his skull crushed, making his skull MORE HUMAN THAN HUMAN

[MrAngryFace]

hahah ok ok you win there. I kinda wanted Tyrell's glasses, they're so absurd.

[TVC15]

It's also worth mentioning that I think it is dumb that Ridley Scott has ever commented on the replicant question.  Stanley Kubrick and David Lynch made it a point to never comment on their very interpretive movies, knowing that if they offered an interpretation, all the dumbasses in the world would look at it as the "right interpretation."  By authorially intruding on the question, Ridley Scott has ruined what could have potentially been an interesting argument (even though I think inserting the unicorn dream kind of settled things on the rep side).

[MrAngryFace]

This is also Ridley Scott, his movies are nothing like Kubrick's or Lynch's really. I dont think Ridley ever intended to have the movie interpreted one way or the other, just his way, and its just the production and release of the film was so botched and backwards he couldnt really control what he wanted. Most of his films are REALLY straight forward

[TVC15]

Yeah, I know.  I don't think he knew how big the blade runner cult was whenever he made the first comment, so it's not really his fault, I guess.

[MrAngryFace]

One argument has been made here and there that his failure to provide definitive proof as to either scenario is what gives the viewer the right to keep the debate raging, but aside from someone telling Deckard straight up U R REPLICANT, im not sure what else could be done.

[Gay Boy]

I have a question that has bothered me ever since seeing the DC and after watching the HD final cut last night it came back up.

It's obvious Deckard is a replicant created for use by the police to kill replicants so they don't have to risk humans. And it seems that Gaff's job is to keep an eye on him. Make sure he is doing his job and doesn't realize he is a replicant and so forth.

My question is why does Gaff save Deckard and Rachel in the end? When he found Rachel in Deckard's apartment he should have killed her then killed Deckard since she is a rebel replicant and he is rebelling against his replicant protocol as well. Yet instead he leaves her and leaves more or less a "note" to Deckard that tells him the truth and gives them a chance to run away before the rest of the police figure out what has happened and kill them.

But why would Gaff do this? I could understand if they became friends and he grew attached to Deckard and could not bring himself to harm him. Yet neither met one another before the film began and they barely spoke to each other until the last scene, AFTER Gaff acted in compassion and gave them the chance to escape. I can't see any logic in Gaff's motivation to tell him the truth and let them go.

[TVC15]

The only logical conclusion is that GAFF IS A REPLICVANT TOOOOO

[Gay Boy]

It really has bothered me for years. 

There is no reason at all for Gaff to let Deckard and Rachel go!

[MrAngryFace]

Maybe HE is being MORE HUMAN THAN HUMAN

[AdmiralViscen]

Is this what I need to buy to have everything?

http://www.amazon.com/Runner-Five-Disc-Complete-Collectors-Blu-ray/dp/B000UBMWG4/ref=pd_bbs_sr_4?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1198275972&sr=8-4

Or is their further bonus material in that goofy suitcase?

[MrAngryFace]

Nah same discs in the 5 pack as the suitcase, the suitcase just has some little dumb trinkets n whatnot.

[AdmiralViscen]

Why does the 4 disc edition exist? Is that old or something? I'm pretty sure my copy is just a 1 disc in one of those shitty old cardboard cases.

[MrAngryFace]

the 5th disc is a workprint, not sure that print is in every set

[AdmiralViscen]

I C

Thx