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Phoenix Dark

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Re: OOTP...meh :(
« Reply #60 on: December 27, 2007, 01:00:01 AM »
i'm not talking about CHARACTER motivations, dipshit; i presume each scene has a greater purpose in a movie. the first scene was fucking useless -- OH BOY DEATH-EATERS ARE BACK THAT SURE FIT WELL IN A PLOT THAT DWELLED ON HIGH-SCHOOL ANGST AND A SET OF VIDEOGAME TRIALS. that scene was there for the fans and no-one else; it, like several other scenes, was throwaway and existed solely for fanservice, and it made the larger movie fucking confusing.

It wasn't confusing in the least considering it was explained clearly afterwards, and until you issue forth an argument with any merit your position will remain weak.

I'm not defending GoF anymore, it's a waste of time. It's a flawed film with many issues, and I would imagine this pathetic exercise for sub par gang rape trolling has nothing to do with Potter, and everything to do with me. Not that I give a shit but I would prefer trolls to at least be coherent, consistent, and entertaining.

OOTP features almost as much bad acting, but then again I don't watch Harry Potter films expecting great acting. I watch them in anticipation of lively adaption of my favorite book series, films which may not be totally accurate but at least bring the magic to life while getting basic themes and atmospheres right. OOTP didn't do that for me, GoF did. In fact, OOTP didn't do much right, or interesting for that matter. Everything about it, from the sets to the pacing, is rather average at best compared to even the Columbus films; those weren't great examples of acting or pacing either, but at least they brought the world to life. OOTP seemed as dead as Hogwarts must have been under Umbridge's rule
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Re: OOTP...meh :(
« Reply #61 on: December 27, 2007, 01:02:03 AM »
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Re: OOTP...meh :(
« Reply #62 on: December 27, 2007, 01:02:24 AM »
u suk, go buy an introduction to film book before FoC beats you to it
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Re: OOTP...meh :(
« Reply #63 on: December 27, 2007, 01:02:51 AM »
maurice cook, the black crusaders are coming for you.
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Re: OOTP...meh :(
« Reply #64 on: December 27, 2007, 01:03:35 AM »
u suk, go buy an introduction to film book before FoC beats you to it
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Re: OOTP...meh :(
« Reply #65 on: December 27, 2007, 01:03:50 AM »
Actually I am looking for a good book on understanding film
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« Reply #67 on: December 27, 2007, 01:30:51 AM »
Actually I am looking for a good book on understanding film

http://www.amazon.com/Short-Guide-Writing-about-Guides/dp/0321412281

i would suggest this.

you've grown up with the language of film and so you probably already know a great deal about cinematic language and such inherent in just being an avid watcher of film.  it's more important that you be able to coherently express your ideas about film.

trying to learn the right way to "read a film" will basically have you chasing at things that aren't there or trying to find deep hidden meaning in something the director thought would just look cool.
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Re: OOTP...meh :(
« Reply #68 on: December 27, 2007, 01:56:48 AM »
I've only seen up to 4, but the first two and the last two feel totally different.  The style of one and two were much better imo.

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« Reply #69 on: December 27, 2007, 03:20:28 AM »
God, PD, you fail yet again.

OOTP was probably my second favorite behind Azkaban. It IS brandonh83's favorite. Definitely a well done adaptation and very, very entertaining film on all levels. Not only that, the Blu-Ray transfer is GORGEOUS.

I'm shaking my head at you, sir.
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« Reply #70 on: December 27, 2007, 03:58:01 AM »
OOTP is what got me to buy all the other movies after naysaying for so long
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« Reply #71 on: December 27, 2007, 09:16:51 AM »
GoF was confusing if you didnt have knowledge of the novel. It was a mess in editing. OOTP was solid as an adaption

Exactly.  I wouldn't exactly give OOTP an academy award, but it was totally a competent movie.  The only truly memorable thing about Goblet, for me, was the Riddle House/Graveyard at the end.  But that's a hard scene to mess up, I think.
Yeah. OOTP is not a great film, but it gets the job done as an adaption. I've seen all the HP films with a friend who never read the books. He was into the first 3 but nearly gave up after GoF cause he had no idea what was going on half the time. I had to basically explain the entire plot afterwards.
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« Reply #72 on: December 27, 2007, 09:32:32 AM »
I think what helps make it a mess is that GoF really isn't so hot of a book, either.  It was the series experiencing growing pains, I think.  I mean, it came out fine and all, but it was really where the ineffective devices used thus far in the series drew attention to themselves.  Allow me to elaborate.  Sorry if this is a bit muddled but lol insomniac.

Even since reading the first book, I questioned the importance of the books' use of MacGuffins.  And I don't mean in the plot.  I mean useless plot devices, namely the prominence of Quidditch in early books (it never really has much purpose in the plots, although sometimes events that happen at games have importance), and the house points things.

In the early books, a Quidditch chapter was basically a sign you should quit reading for the night, because you were about to fall asleep.  Not only are those chapters fuck boring, but the scoring rules of the game make little sense.  So you have a shitty MacGuffin plot device, prominent and useless, and it doesn't even make sense internally.  Unsurprisingly, the Quidditch World Cup in GoF pads the fucking book like a pillow filled with lard, drawing more attention to itself than ever before.

Similarly, but not quite as badly is the house cup/house points thing that is prominent in early books, but all but dropped by the time books 4-5 roll around. As near as I can tell, the only purpose this lame plot device serves is to add a bit to the conclusion of the first book; an extra hurrah for the ending.  But the fact that it exists, that it is important in the first book and basically ONLY the first few books, is silly and inconsistent.  The house cup is a big WE GOTTA CHEER FOR IT thing at the end of book one, but it means jack squat in the rest of the series?  Lame.  I understand that JK made the right decision in getting rid of this, but the fact that it was ever in has me smh.

Also, the Tri-Wizard Tourney makes little sense when you think about it, and I thought it brinked close on making the whole wizarding world make little sense.  Previous books made Hogwarts seem like it was one of a kind in the world.  This muddles things, kind of in an interesting way, but I don't think JK has played her full hand on explaining the inner details and structure of the wizarding world and school system.  I will wait until she brings out her encyclopedia.  Without getting into details on this one, earlier books make Hogwarts seem like one of a kind (no other schools are ever mentioned--you'd think they'd come up), but in GoF we get the Tri-Wizard tourney that turns our conceptions of the world on their ear.  Why weren't these other schools ever mentioned.

I also think the actual Tournament was wonky, too, but I think that is getting into subjective territory.  I feel that objectively, Rowling did a pretty haphazard job with constructing Hogwarts, and possibly with the wizarding world at large.  It turned out alright though, so no shame.
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Re: OOTP...meh :(
« Reply #73 on: December 27, 2007, 03:55:56 PM »
Yeah, I think the encyclopedia will help things out.

I doubt she's done writing Potter books either. Not Potter books exclusively, but other books that take place in the realm of Potter.
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Re: OOTP...meh :(
« Reply #74 on: December 27, 2007, 04:00:14 PM »
I mostly like how the tri-wizard tourney could be completed by distinguished mentally-challenged fellows
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« Reply #75 on: December 27, 2007, 04:00:14 PM »
Nah I don't see her re-entering the Potter realm, she's over that phase of her life. She'll do the encyclopedia, maybe more than one version, and that's it. She already started writing her next book which is not fantasy related allegedly
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« Reply #76 on: December 27, 2007, 04:19:37 PM »
Obviously, Maurice is privy to the inner workings of J.K. Rowling and her life!
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« Reply #77 on: December 27, 2007, 04:37:09 PM »
According to friends, Rowling has already started work on her next book. All of her comments since DH suggest she's done with Potter, outside of the encyclopedia and maybe some other guides. I just hope the encyclopedia is HUGE  :hyper
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« Reply #78 on: December 27, 2007, 04:57:25 PM »
my favorite of the bunch was poa, and after watching oottp--yesterday--it still is. this whole voldemort situation is getting tiring. they keep saving him for the last parts of the movies, and when he finally does his thing, it's totally anti-climactic.
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« Reply #79 on: December 27, 2007, 05:40:39 PM »
I just felt all the important stuff in the book was nailed down pretty well. I've read the book too, just the same as anyone else, and while there were important things cut out novel wise, the direction the movies are going in don't really need them (mainly the Harry/Dumbledore talk at the end - there were significant plot points cut out, but I understand why they were). Plus it was shot exceptionally well, had the best acting in all five movies, the best pacing (long book, shorter movie, but if you really think about it, the novel was packed with detail and many, many things that didn't need to be in the movie at all). So while the book is Bible-lite in length, it's not because of the plot development. The movies don't need all that fuckin shit, they simply need to follow the main story and I think OOTP did the best job in that regard so far. The movie turned out pretty much how I expected and I thought it was fucking great.

As for Sirius' death, I don't see how that was mishandled at all. It happened practically the same way it did in the book - fast, and unexpected. Go read that part again. Even in the book it was like, wait, what the hell? The fuck just happened? It was realistic and thank the fucking lord they didn't treat it like some big Hollywood death scene, where it takes 10 minutes for the fucker to die and every character sits around bawling their eyes out. Instead it was gritty, Daniel did a great job at the what the fuck just happened, and the ensuing Bellatrix chasedown was pretty fantastic. I just don't know what some people want out of these movies but I'm glad I'm not in the same boat.

One more thing before I get shot down -- emo Harry -- was much more, much much more emo Harry in the book. Although I understand why he's pissy, I would be too, the movie I think actually did a better job with emo Harry. There was much less of it, obviously, and Harry, in the movie, didn't really do or say anything during the "Im pissed" moments to make me roll my eyes or groan or anything. Thought it was pretty realistic and Dan did a great job with it, IMO.
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« Reply #80 on: December 27, 2007, 06:27:53 PM »
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Re: OOTP...meh :(
« Reply #81 on: December 28, 2007, 06:18:29 AM »
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« Reply #82 on: January 11, 2008, 02:18:12 PM »
LTTP, but I finally checked out OOTP (HD version is a real eyepopper, by the way). I really liked it. Briskly paced, well-directed, and a few pretty cool scenes. Its funny, because GOF is my favorite of the books, but the movie was a festering turd. On the other hand, OOTP is probably my least favorite of the books, but I thought it was a good adaptation. Other than Prisoner, Id say its the best a Harry Potter movie has fared thusfar.

I wouldnt be against Yates directing another movie. Who is helming HBP?

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« Reply #83 on: January 11, 2008, 06:35:14 PM »
LTTP, but I finally checked out OOTP (HD version is a real eyepopper, by the way). I really liked it. Briskly paced, well-directed, and a few pretty cool scenes. Its funny, because GOF is my favorite of the books, but the movie was a festering turd. On the other hand, OOTP is probably my least favorite of the books, but I thought it was a good adaptation. Other than Prisoner, Id say its the best a Harry Potter movie has fared thusfar.

I wouldnt be against Yates directing another movie. Who is helming HBP?
Yates is again
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« Reply #84 on: January 11, 2008, 06:36:02 PM »
LTTP, but I finally checked out OOTP (HD version is a real eyepopper, by the way). I really liked it. Briskly paced, well-directed, and a few pretty cool scenes. Its funny, because GOF is my favorite of the books, but the movie was a festering turd. On the other hand, OOTP is probably my least favorite of the books, but I thought it was a good adaptation. Other than Prisoner, Id say its the best a Harry Potter movie has fared thusfar.

I wouldnt be against Yates directing another movie. Who is helming HBP?

meh
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Re: OOTP...meh :(
« Reply #85 on: January 11, 2008, 06:39:06 PM »
LTTP, but I finally checked out OOTP (HD version is a real eyepopper, by the way). I really liked it. Briskly paced, well-directed, and a few pretty cool scenes. Its funny, because GOF is my favorite of the books, but the movie was a festering turd. On the other hand, OOTP is probably my least favorite of the books, but I thought it was a good adaptation. Other than Prisoner, Id say its the best a Harry Potter movie has fared thusfar.

I wouldnt be against Yates directing another movie. Who is helming HBP?

meh
you are the only person in the world who says GoF is better than OoTP. Seriously.
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Re: OOTP...meh :(
« Reply #86 on: January 11, 2008, 06:41:24 PM »
All the Potter fans I know say GOF>OOTP :bow

It's a bad movie with no saving graces.
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« Reply #87 on: January 11, 2008, 06:42:41 PM »
All the Potter fans I know say GOF>OOTP :bow

It's a bad movie with no saving graces.
what potter fans do you know?
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« Reply #88 on: January 11, 2008, 06:45:13 PM »
More than you.  :o
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« Reply #89 on: January 11, 2008, 06:46:25 PM »
More than you.  :o
then why is basically EVERYONE on the internet say OOTP>GOF but you?

Also knowing less harry potter fanboys is a GOOD thing  :lol
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« Reply #90 on: January 11, 2008, 06:48:14 PM »
I will speak of this disaster no more. Definitely the most disappointing film since Corpse Bride

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« Reply #91 on: January 11, 2008, 06:52:32 PM »
Definitely the most disappointing film since Corpse Bride



Don't you mean since The Departed?
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« Reply #92 on: January 11, 2008, 06:55:25 PM »
Definitely the most disappointing film since Corpse Bride



Don't you mean since The Departed?

The Departed: I wasn't really hyped about it, even after Shake said it was the best thing ever.

Corpse Bride: I couldn't wait for it to come out, followed every tidbit of news, etc

THE VILLAGE: I spent days posting on long gone messageboards over "clues" and "secrets" Shamalyananan would allegedly give out, I watched the teaser trailer every day, I taped the Sci Fi special on it, etc


And then I saw The Village and was like WTF  :'( :'( :'(
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« Reply #93 on: January 14, 2008, 02:15:57 PM »
LTTP, but I finally checked out OOTP (HD version is a real eyepopper, by the way). I really liked it. Briskly paced, well-directed, and a few pretty cool scenes. Its funny, because GOF is my favorite of the books, but the movie was a festering turd. On the other hand, OOTP is probably my least favorite of the books, but I thought it was a good adaptation. Other than Prisoner, Id say its the best a Harry Potter movie has fared thusfar.

I wouldnt be against Yates directing another movie. Who is helming HBP?
Yates is again

Cool. Im down with that.

Cuaron for movie 7 please.

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« Reply #94 on: January 14, 2008, 02:36:21 PM »
Either way, I'm done fighting about Harry Potter.  Arguing with you is like TEARS IN RAIN.

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Re: OOTP...meh :(
« Reply #95 on: January 14, 2008, 02:55:26 PM »
So, this seventh Potter film... who's going to direct it?

God, so many good names being tossed around. Basically every name besides Newell is in the run, and I agree wholeheartedly with that decision. SO, I'm going to separate it into "who's done a Potter film" and "who hasn't done a Potter film"

Previous directors who's names are being tossed around:
Alfonso Cuaron (oh please god bring Children of Men cinematography to the Deathly Hallows action sequences oh shit orgasm)
Chris Columbus (fuck him, first two films were merely okay, and it made Cuaron's film an even better breeze of fresh air on the franchise)
David Yates (eh, not my first choice, but he did a pretty damn good job with OOTP. Hell, even PD hated it, which is basically a mark of greatness)

New directors:
Steven Spielberg (he was considered for the first film, but wanted to Americanize it. Fuck that shit. Glad they didn't go with him the first time. As far as now, if he's willing to follow what the others have done, that's great. I doubt he would be willing to direct this film though)
Guillermo Del Toro (after Pan's Labryinth, anything fantasy related with some sort of real life relation to it needs to be directed by this man. While he's more of a monster type of director, and Deathly Hallows doesn't really contain the creatures the other films do. Still probably a welcome addition to the director's chair.)

My current front-runner? Cuaron, with Del Toro in a close second. Cuaron knows what the hell he's doing with Potter, it's the best film in terms of overall cinematography, and if he brings some of the long takes with him from Children of Men and puts them into the Gringotts sequence as well as others, it could be the best film in the series. Hell, the word on the street is that Warner Bros. wants this fucker to be in serious Academy Award contention, so they really do need to step up their game with this film.
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« Reply #96 on: January 14, 2008, 03:02:28 PM »
WILL PEOPLE PLEASE STOP BUMPING/MAKING PD HARRY POTTER DISCUSSION

BAN!

And the third movie was great, but do I REALLY want Cuaron to waste his considerable talents on yet another Potter movie?  Fuck no.  Let the man do his own thang.
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« Reply #97 on: January 14, 2008, 03:06:34 PM »
WILL PEOPLE PLEASE STOP BUMPING/MAKING PD HARRY POTTER DISCUSSION

BAN!

And the third movie was great, but do I REALLY want Cuaron to waste his considerable talents on yet another Potter movie?  Fuck no.  Let the man do his own thang.

He's the one who said he was interested.
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« Reply #98 on: January 14, 2008, 03:08:08 PM »
I'd rather see Cuaron do something else; PoA is easily the best Potter film but after CoM I want to see Cuaron branch out to bigger things. Del Toro FTW :bow
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« Reply #99 on: January 14, 2008, 03:11:29 PM »
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BAN!

And the third movie was great, but do I REALLY want Cuaron to waste his considerable talents on yet another Potter movie?  Fuck no.  Let the man do his own thang.

He's the one who said he was interested.

He'd still be spinning his wheels, wasting his time.  For a director of talent, making a fucking Harry Potter movie is like the directorial equivalent of making fanfic.

Same goes for del Toro, too.  Do something else, something good, something personal.  Please!
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« Reply #100 on: January 14, 2008, 03:13:11 PM »
Maybe Harry Potter IS personal to them
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« Reply #101 on: January 14, 2008, 03:30:31 PM »
I'd like to think that they are more intelligent than that.
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« Reply #102 on: January 14, 2008, 03:52:09 PM »
WILL PEOPLE PLEASE STOP BUMPING/MAKING PD HARRY POTTER DISCUSSION

BAN!

And the third movie was great, but do I REALLY want Cuaron to waste his considerable talents on yet another Potter movie?  Fuck no.  Let the man do his own thang.

He's the one who said he was interested.

He'd still be spinning his wheels, wasting his time.  For a director of talent, making a fucking Harry Potter movie is like the directorial equivalent of making fanfic.

Same goes for del Toro, too.  Do something else, something good, something personal.  Please!

HELLBOY 2: OUT THIS SUMMER

lolz.
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« Reply #103 on: January 14, 2008, 04:09:46 PM »
The last two (three) HP films should be directed by the Wachowski brothers and we could have "Wand Time" battles and I'm sure Keanu Reeves could be worked in somewhere.  :hyper
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« Reply #104 on: January 14, 2008, 05:08:32 PM »
Keanu on Radcliffe sex orgy!!

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« Reply #105 on: January 14, 2008, 05:47:59 PM »
HELLBOY 2: OUT THIS SUMMER

lolz.

I'd rather another great Hellboy movie than yet another decent Potter movie.  There aren't 2 dozen people in the world that can successfully pull off Hellboy, whereas Potter is so pre-defined and ruled by rules that any director can piece together something passable.
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