Author Topic: Richard Dawkins- The God delusion- ordered my copy today (Read 7334 times)

shedt · « **on:** October 22, 2006, 11:06:33 PM »

anyone else buy it or is going too? I could not resist, being only $20 can and a hardcover and all.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #1 on:** October 22, 2006, 11:29:29 PM »

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G The Resurrected · « **Reply #2 on:** October 22, 2006, 11:52:11 PM »

shedt you make too many threads.

I saw the book at costco for super cheap so i might get it from them.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #3 on:** October 23, 2006, 12:54:34 AM »

*yawn*

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #4 on:** October 23, 2006, 12:57:15 AM »

yeah the cover IS pretty boring. Is this one of those god dont exist lol things. I mean im not a big God fan, but I find these books to be weird ego strokes

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #5 on:** October 23, 2006, 01:00:48 AM »

God either exists or he doesn't. 50% chance, and if you're wrong you're FUCKED

I didn't need to go to Harvard to figure that out lolz

btw Malek, what's the percentage (chance wise) that the big bang occured?

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #6 on:** October 23, 2006, 01:06:33 AM »

I dont believe it's about who's right and who's wrong, cause proving that is a selfish pursuit.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #7 on:** October 23, 2006, 01:08:35 AM »

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God either exists or he doesn't. 50% chance, and if you're wrong you're FUCKED

THOR EXISTS OR HE DOESN'T, AND IF YOU'RE WRONG YOU'RE FUCKED
TIAMAT EXISTS OR HE DOESN'T, AND IF YOU'RE WRONG YOU'RE FUCKED
BUDDHA EXISTS OR HE DOESN'T, AND IF YOU'RE WRONG YOU'RE FUCKED
AMATERASU EXISTS OR SHE DOESN'T, AND IF YOU'RE WRONG YOU'RE FUCKED
VISHNU EXISTS OR HE DOESN'T, AND IF YOU'RE WRONG YOU'RE FUCKED
XENU EXISTS OR HE DOESN'T, AND IF YOU'RE WRONG YOU'RE FUCKED

...

suddenly, the odds become very unfavorable.

...

i didn't think you were fucking dumb enough to pull Pascal's Gambit, PD

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #8 on:** October 23, 2006, 01:08:52 AM »

Quote from: MrAngryFace on October 23, 2006, 01:06:33 AM

I dont believe it's about who's right and who's wrong, cause proving that is a selfish pursuit.

I won't care when I'm in heaven lol

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #9 on:** October 23, 2006, 01:09:15 AM »

Quote from: Drinky Crow on October 23, 2006, 01:08:35 AM

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God either exists or he doesn't. 50% chance, and if you're wrong you're FUCKED

THOR EXISTS OR HE DOESN'T, AND IF YOU'RE WRONG YOU'RE FUCKED
TIAMAT EXISTS OR HE DOESN'T, AND IF YOU'RE WRONG YOU'RE FUCKED
BUDDHA EXISTS OR HE DOESN'T, AND IF YOU'RE WRONG YOU'RE FUCKED
AMATERASU EXISTS OR SHE DOESN'T, AND IF YOU'RE WRONG YOU'RE FUCKED
VISHNU EXISTS OR HE DOESN'T, AND IF YOU'RE WRONG YOU'RE FUCKED
XENU EXISTS OR HE DOESN'T, AND IF YOU'RE WRONG YOU'RE FUCKED

...

i didn't think you were fucking dumb enough to pull Pascal's Gambit, PD

PASCAL FTW

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #10 on:** October 23, 2006, 01:09:44 AM »

Drinky: "God" is a nice general term tho, I mean at the time of judgement you could be like 'I mean like I believed in A god, you of course, cause youre the god. Yeah! you rock!'

etiolate · « **Reply #11 on:** October 23, 2006, 01:10:37 AM »

Does he have a new argument?

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #12 on:** October 23, 2006, 01:12:01 AM »

God appreciates a good legal defense!

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #13 on:** October 23, 2006, 01:13:17 AM »

Quote from: MrAngryFace on October 23, 2006, 01:09:44 AM

Drinky: "God" is a nice general term tho, I mean at the time of judgement you could be like 'I mean like I believed in A god, you of course, cause youre the god. Yeah! you rock!'

Exactly. And luckily most non-judeo Christian gods are pretty lax about that. I'm all good as long as God isn't involved in that Jehova Witness shit

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #14 on:** October 23, 2006, 01:13:55 AM »

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Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #15 on:** October 23, 2006, 01:16:01 AM »

Really? THe Hindu pantheon has some pretty harsh things to say about unbelievers. As does Allah, who expects pretty strict adherence to his dogma.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #16 on:** October 23, 2006, 01:18:45 AM »

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MrAngryFace · « **Reply #17 on:** October 23, 2006, 01:19:56 AM »

I think a lot of you religious types are missing the big picture. See, the faithful vs the SINNERS is really not so much an issue as Heavenly Property. See, there are people who are more faithful than you are PD. They are the people who dont say 'WELL IM GETTING IN'. The MOST faithful, the true believers, they live on Heaven's "Prime Real Estate". Those are the heavenly dwellings with viewing distance to the only Church, which is of course the house of God.

People like you, and maybe me? I mean we MIGHT get a spot near the lake, but chances are we'll be stuck on a border town with Limbo, and I dont even need to tell you how that depreciates property value. I mean you can try to make a good home there but chances are you'll find your quarters more and more cramped as people just like you, hedging their bets are crammed into those areas.

I mean you don't think you'll be treated equal to saints do you? Thats just silly. I mean at most you profess your faith on an interenet message board, I am not sure how many Heaven Tickets you can trade that life event in for.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #18 on:** October 23, 2006, 01:22:28 AM »

Quote from: MrAngryFace on October 23, 2006, 01:19:56 AM

I think a lot of you religious types are missing the big picture. See, the faithful vs the SINNERS is really not so much an issue as Heavenly Property. See, there are people who are more faithful than you are PD. They are the people who dont say 'WELL IM GETTING IN'. The MOST faithful, the true believers, they live on Heaven's "Prime Real Estate". Those are the heavenly dwellings with viewing distance to the only Church, which is of course the house of God.

People like you, and maybe me? I mean we MIGHT get a spot near the lake, but chances are we'll be stuck on a border town with Limbo, and I dont even need to tell you how that depreciates property value. I mean you can try to make a good home there but chances are you'll find your quarters more and more cramped as people just like you, hedging their bets are crammed into those areas.

I mean you don't think you'll be treated equal to saints do you? Thats just silly. I mean at most you profess your faith on an interenet message board, I am not sure how many Heaven Tickets you can trade that life event in for.

True, there are 7 different heavens according to the Bible...

And it does say rewards will vary among believers. But meh

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #19 on:** October 23, 2006, 01:24:23 AM »

So its some kind of point system? That sounds pretty petty for a God. I mean if I were God I would be able to treat everyone equal like communism lol

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #20 on:** October 23, 2006, 01:25:26 AM »

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Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #21 on:** October 23, 2006, 01:26:46 AM »

Quote from: MrAngryFace on October 23, 2006, 01:24:23 AM

So its some kind of point system? That sounds pretty petty for a God. I mean if I were God I would be able to treat everyone equal like communism lol

It doesn't have to do with how good or humble you are though, according to the bible at least. It's more about service and such.

From what I understand there is no discrimination in hell lol. Whether you're Hitler (assuming he went to hell) or Joe Blow, you're gonna burn $:-\$

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #22 on:** October 23, 2006, 01:27:29 AM »

there's 9 levels of hell! man, the traitors get a raw deal.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #23 on:** October 23, 2006, 01:29:18 AM »

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Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #24 on:** October 23, 2006, 01:32:26 AM »

i think i'd take the endless harp music over being boiled head down in a lake of cat pee, if it came down to that.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #25 on:** October 23, 2006, 01:32:47 AM »

Quote from: malek4980 on October 23, 2006, 01:29:18 AM

At least I get heating.

From blowjobs

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #26 on:** October 23, 2006, 01:38:36 AM »

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Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #27 on:** October 23, 2006, 01:41:07 AM »

You never answered my question about the probability of the big bang Malek

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #28 on:** October 23, 2006, 01:43:36 AM »

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etiolate · « **Reply #29 on:** October 23, 2006, 01:46:24 AM »

Quote from: malek4980 on October 23, 2006, 01:13:55 AM

Quote from: etiolate on October 23, 2006, 01:10:37 AM
Does he have a new argument?
I don't know are Pascal's Wager or the Watchmaker etc. new arguments. The same old arguments are used on both sides, but one side has terrible amateurish arguments that, shockingly enough, are far more effective.

edit: I do wish Thor was a god.

Well I was just wondering why he was pushing the book so much. If there was some new argument or a new idea, I'd understand. It just really comes off as "There is no god and religion is corrosive, so come to my conventions, buy my book and worship me instead!"

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #30 on:** October 23, 2006, 01:47:39 AM »

THOR IS AN ALIEN! IVE LEARNED EVERYTHING ABOUT GODS FROM STARGATE!

No! SERIOUSLY!

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #31 on:** October 23, 2006, 01:51:05 AM »

because you're self-aware, you're intrinsically biased toward the belief that you and humanity are special or intentional. we're no more special or intentional than a nebula or an ocean or an asteroid or a beetle -- we're just one anomaly out of unfathomable billions. our self-awareness makes us somewhat unique, but a preponderance of ammonia also makes the gaseous oceans of saturn unique.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #32 on:** October 23, 2006, 02:09:07 AM »

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Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #33 on:** October 23, 2006, 02:26:41 AM »

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But Dawkins could have told us all this without being so appallingly bitchy about those of his scientific colleagues who disagree with him, and without being so theologically illiterate. He might also have avoided being the second most frequently mentioned individual in his book – if you count God as an individual.

I always said atheists were selfish bastards

Boogie · « **Reply #34 on:** October 23, 2006, 02:38:18 AM »

Quote from: malek4980 on October 23, 2006, 02:09:07 AM

From the London review of Books
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But Dawkins could have told us all this without being so appallingly bitchy about those of his scientific colleagues who disagree with him, and without being so theologically illiterate. He might also have avoided being the second most frequently mentioned individual in his book – if you count God as an individual.

oh ya, that sounds like an appealing read.

deadfish · « **Reply #35 on:** October 23, 2006, 03:54:30 AM »

Why does god need to be worshiped in the first place?

Hollywood · « **Reply #36 on:** October 23, 2006, 04:04:47 AM »

Blah. People like this come off to me as arrogant fucks. 'OMG theres no proof there is a God, he doesn't exist!'. Sorry shithead, when we can't even have the ability to reach another planet yet, or explore and identify most of the creatures on our own planet, its pretty arrogant to try to prove there is no God. It's like looking at binoculars from your house and saying you can't see China, so it doesn't exist. We have no scope of any kind, so its not much of a stretch to say we cant prove the most powerful thing in the universe/creator of the universe. Maybe when someone figures out how to get to another fucking planet or some of the simplest crap in the overall scheme of things we can even start to think about other lifeforms or higher powers, otherwise guysl ike this just sound like arrogant ignorant fucks.

shedt · « **Reply #37 on:** October 23, 2006, 09:52:55 AM »

i think it is a shame that there is bias and hatred on both sides. i'm agnostic, but i don't go around trying to prove anything, or be "arrogant" or whatever.

I'm more of a Buddhist then anything, but Buddhism is not a religion so anyhow.

shedt · « **Reply #38 on:** October 23, 2006, 09:56:00 AM »

Quote from: Hollywood on October 23, 2006, 04:04:47 AM

its pretty arrogant to try to prove there is no God.

as such it is very arrogant to try and label such a being, if it exists, or to even try to define it, and at the worst, our definition and explanations (from religion) are absolute, and unchange. that's why i enjoy studying Buddhism or metaphysics or some other form of spirituality.

you don't need god or religion to be spiritual, and IMHO from my own experience (not from faith) you don't need god or religion for spiritual growth or evolution.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #39 on:** October 23, 2006, 10:56:55 AM »

WHAT DOES GOD NEED WITH A STARSHIP?!?!?!?

BlueTsunami · « **Reply #40 on:** October 23, 2006, 11:04:12 AM »

So Dawkins appoints himself as God in the book? lol

APF · « **Reply #41 on:** October 23, 2006, 11:24:43 AM »

Aw, I wanted to do the starship one.

But the arrogance isn't in saying something doesn't exist, or in trying to prove something doesn't exist (which you can't do anyway). The arrogance is in saying you understand something so inconceivable in the first place; that you believe in something for which you have no reason to believe. That's the key to faith, and also it's weakness; it's literally and specifically counter-intellectual, a "leap of faith" to believe in the first place. How much more so a leap of faith to believe in any specific doctrine.

shedt · « **Reply #42 on:** October 23, 2006, 11:33:13 AM »

Quote from: APF on October 23, 2006, 11:24:43 AM

Aw, I wanted to do the starship one.

But the arrogance isn't in saying something doesn't exist, or in trying to prove something doesn't exist (which you can't do anyway). The arrogance is in saying you understand something so inconceivable in the first place; that you believe in something for which you have no reason to believe. That's the key to faith, and also it's weakness; it's literally and specifically counter-intellectual, a "leap of faith" to believe in the first place. How much more so a leap of faith to believe in any specific doctrine.

QFT

wether you like Dawkins or not, alot of what he says is true. don't hate the message 'cause you hate the messanger or how he talks

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #43 on:** October 23, 2006, 12:08:25 PM »

The trouble is, say a youth like PD. I have no clue why he believes, but judging by the character he displays on evilbore, I doubt its without an agenda

shedt · « **Reply #44 on:** October 23, 2006, 01:20:20 PM »

most religious people i have met either were taught that way from birth, or IMHO the seem to get into religion when they at a low point in thier life.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #45 on:** October 23, 2006, 01:28:25 PM »

yeah but I mean, do they BELIEVE or do they just believe because they feel its the right thing to do. Id think believing because they feel they should (as dictated by others around them) isnt so much a belief in God, but a belief in mob mentality.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #46 on:** October 23, 2006, 01:48:28 PM »

Quote from: MrAngryFace on October 23, 2006, 12:08:25 PM

The trouble is, say a youth like PD. I have no clue why he believes, but judging by the character he displays on evilbore, I doubt its without an agenda

Trust me, my personality on the internets is different that my personality in real life

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #47 on:** October 23, 2006, 02:00:27 PM »

It really shouldnt be. It just shows you arent honest with yourself, or God.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #48 on:** October 23, 2006, 02:05:08 PM »

Quote from: MrAngryFace on October 23, 2006, 02:00:27 PM

It really shouldnt be. It just shows you arent honest with yourself, or God.

Please. Do you think Drinky acts like his internet persona in real life too? You don't have much credibility here.

I'm pretty shy in real life. The internet provides a level of annominity that gets to everyone's head. So please, don't preach to me about my online adventures.

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #49 on:** October 23, 2006, 02:08:31 PM »

PD: I *do* act like my internet persona IRL, fruit.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #50 on:** October 23, 2006, 02:08:45 PM »

I know drinky personally, he is the same.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #51 on:** October 23, 2006, 02:09:04 PM »

Pffft

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #52 on:** October 23, 2006, 02:11:17 PM »

I'm just smiling in real life when I spew my crap. If it helps, imagine me with a dumb shit-eating grin when I call you out.

like this:

ugh, that makes me seem like m0rphix

The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment · « **Reply #53 on:** October 23, 2006, 02:11:45 PM »

Count me in as someone who's the same IRL as I am here.

PD's just a scared little boy living out his sick fantasies on the 'net.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #54 on:** October 23, 2006, 02:11:49 PM »

Thats 2 against one, majority rules. That's enough to make you believe in God, why isn't it enough to make you believe in Drinky?

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #55 on:** October 23, 2006, 02:12:54 PM »

like the Christian God, I too have all sorts of gross personality defects!

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #56 on:** October 23, 2006, 02:15:12 PM »

Quote from: Drinky Crow on October 23, 2006, 02:11:17 PM

I'm just smiling in real life when I spew my crap. If it helps, imagine me with a dumb shit-eating grin when I call you out.

like this:

ugh, that makes me seem like m0rphix

Fair enough.

I would say most people's internet personalities are different than their real ones. It's the annominity factor, and I've never heard anyone challenge that.

Perhaps that's why I hate MySpace. I know so many people who are really smart in real life, but desperately whore themselves out on MySpace for "friends" or "more than friends" shit. At least with EvilBore/GAF I know I'm being an ass and I openly admit it.

I post on four different boards. On two of them I act like my real self and have some serious discussions (as well as a bit of fun). On Evilbore/GAF? I let loose and don't give a fuck

shedt · « **Reply #57 on:** October 23, 2006, 03:16:45 PM »

Quote from: MrAngryFace on October 23, 2006, 01:28:25 PM

yeah but I mean, do they BELIEVE or do they just believe because they feel its the right thing to do. Id think believing because they feel they should (as dictated by others around them) isnt so much a belief in God, but a belief in mob mentality.

i "feel" that the right thing to do is far from believing, but more so learning and understanding. i think some religious people try maybe this at first, but when logic and reason come into it, they ignore reality or parts of it, and stick with thier faith

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Author Topic: Richard Dawkins- The God delusion- ordered my copy today (Read 7334 times)