Hilary going all out with the woman thing

[PhoenixWright]

A man shouted through an opening in the wall that his wife was illegal.

"No woman is illegal," Clinton said, to cheers.

Summing it up at the end, Clinton said, "We've only talked to a few people, but each of them talk about some part of the problem we are confronting. This is a problem that is only going to get worse if we don't address it."

Clinton said unscrupulous lending leads to bad mortgages, which lead to foreclosures, which lead to people with nowhere to go and vacant neighborhoods that can go rapidly downhill.

Please. This is the rough equivalent of Obama promising to water the White House rose garden with Cristal. Run on the issues, not your gender.

[Phoenix Dark]

god damn I hope Obama's staffers go behind his back and start pushing that MLK comment. SC is gonna flip

[Joe Molotov]

A man shouted through an opening in the wall that his wife was illegal.

"No woman is illegal," Clinton said, to cheers.

Summing it up at the end, Clinton said, "We've only talked to a few people, but each of them talk about some part of the problem we are confronting. This is a problem that is only going to get worse if we don't address it."

Clinton said unscrupulous lending leads to bad mortgages, which lead to foreclosures, which lead to people with nowhere to go and vacant neighborhoods that can go rapidly downhill.

Please. This is the rough equivalent of Obama promising to water the White House rose garden with Cristal. Run on the issues, not your gender.

You mean the BLACK House, amirite guys?

[APF]

I have absolutely no idea what is wrong with what she said.

[MrAngryFace]

I dunno, the no woman is illegal thing sounded like a good natured joke, her comment on lending is dead on

[Fragamemnon]

I think if genders were reversed she would have said "no man is illegal". Really, when you put the words into-OHNOES-context, the gender is irrelevant. It's clear her point is that the term illegal is a terrible, degrading label to put onto anyone, and that she isn't for that kind of divisive nomenclature when discussing our broken immigration system.

I love political threads-election years is like my geekish NFL playoffs-but I can't step foot into GAF threads lately because the combination of "haha I'm just kidding (not really)" hyperbole and off-the-charts misogyny is disgusting.

[Mandark]

I just figured this was like the old Anne Landers "no child is illegitimate" line.

[MrAngryFace]

Obama's wife goes around pumping up the 'black' aspect of their campaign even if he avoids it (and for good reason) in his speeches.

I fully expect Hillary to play it up at least a LITTLE, because what makes both her and Obama unique is that they are in two seperate minorities in terms of presidential races. I mean the media plays it up, we're all thinking it....

[MrAngryFace]

GAF is afraid of women, having never known their touch

[Fragamemnon]

Holy fuck what she said was a play on a common immigrant rallying cry that has been around for years.  That GAF thread is the fucking stupidest thing I've read all week.

The running thread during the NH returns made me sick. The GAF groupthink has two categories for women-motherly figures and whores-and boy did it show in that thread.

[Mandark]

Holy fuck what she said was a play on a common immigrant rallying cry that has been around for years.  That GAF thread is the fucking stupidest thing I've read all week.

One of my least favorite aspects of political journalism is the obsession with spotting meaningless "gaffes" like this one that get parsed to death and back.

One of my least favorite aspects of GAF is all the unabashed misogyny.

[Mupepe]

I don't see anything wrong with what she said.  I definitely agree on the lending.  Who would ever think that the majority of people with bad credit can't pay their bills?  And her "no woman is illegal" statement seems like a light hearted play on words.  we all know what she meant.

[Mupepe]

I bet half of the people bitching about what she said and picking it apart are the same people who whine that their specific candidate's words are getting picked apart by the media. 

[Mandark]

Seems like there's an almost deliberate effort to misunderstand candidates so certain quotes can be slotted into whatever grand narrative the media's given them.

Hillary's a phony and a panderer, or so I'm told, so you get stuff like this and the time she used a black American dialect to recite the lyrics of a traditionally black American hymn.  Maybe her problem is she picks unacceptable groups to pander to.

[Eric P]

Seems like there's an almost deliberate effort to misunderstand candidates so certain quotes can be slotted into whatever grand narrative the media's given them.

Hillary's a phony and a panderer, or so I'm told, so you get stuff like this and the time she used a black American dialect to recite the lyrics of a traditionally black American hymn.  Maybe her problem is she picks unacceptable groups to pander to.

no one ever got elected by pandering to the xenophobic misinformed religious middle class

[Mupepe]

Yeah, my problem is she tries way too hard to be "one of us".  just shut up and tell me what you're going to do.  I don't need any of your stupid fucking antics

[Mandark]

I don't even think that Hillary uses identity politics significantly more than the other candidates.  Outside the Lollipop Guild of Kucinich and Paul, everyone's trying to make voters feel a personal connection with them.  She's just a bit more clumsy and obvious about it.

When people talk about gender and race in this election cycle, it usually gets framed as simply helping/hurting Obama and Hillary.  That's not how it works.  There are very few people who would absolutely never vote for a candidate because of too much melanin or too many X chromosomes (at least I'd like to think so).

But plenty of people do have biases which affect how a black or female candidate can present themselves.  Essentially, they have to say "I'm black/female, but don't worry!  I don't have the icky qualities you associate with swarthiness/vaginas."

It's backwards and depressing, but it's better than really overt racism and sexism.  That's progress, right?

[Mupepe]

in a 2 steps forward, one step back kinda way it is progress.

To be honest, I'm not completely up to speed on all the candidates and what their stance is and how they're playing the election field.  She just stands out the most because, as you said, she's more clumsy and the media is more willing to point it out. 

And my "shut up" statement could really be used across the board to define how I feel about all of these candidates.

But I've pretty much given up on this election anyways.  There's no candidate I could vote for without giving a depressed sigh at the ballot box.

[brawndolicious]

what was wrong with what she said?

*goes to GAF*

wow, that gaf thread is filled with awesome stupids.  I might register there.

[Gay Boy]

the gaf hatred of hillary is so weird. I could understand hating her policies and so forth. But basically every one of their complaints are sexist. It's absurd how much gaf trashes her for being a woman.

[Human Snorenado]

Holy fuck what she said was a play on a common immigrant rallying cry that has been around for years.  That GAF thread is the fucking stupidest thing I've read all week.

I've yet to click on it, for a couple of reasons.  One, GAF is fucking distinguished mentally-challenged.  Two, to me the whole immigration brouhaha is the least important issue in the election.

Something to say about Hillary- while I think she'd do an ok job as President (her SC noms alone would justify voting for her if she wins the democratic nomination) I personally don't want her to be the nominee, but it has nothing to do with misogyny.  My problem with her has to do with the fact that she's too much of a known quantity and has such high negatives.  Also, and this is really dirty and underhanded yet true:  the right wing noise machine will have no problem assaulting candidate Hillary in the most vitriolic way imaginable.  I highly doubt they'd do that to Obama, if only because they don't want to be seen as overtly racist.  It's a bizarre double standard, but it's ok to be misogynistic but not racist.  *shrugs*

[FlameOfCallandor]

Immigration is a valid issue but it pales when compared to the economy and foreign policy.

[Gay Boy]

they try to say that men get comments about fat ankles just as much as women, its insane.

[Human Snorenado]

Holy fuck what she said was a play on a common immigrant rallying cry that has been around for years.  That GAF thread is the fucking stupidest thing I've read all week.

I've yet to click on it, for a couple of reasons.  One, GAF is fucking distinguished mentally-challenged.  Two, to me the whole immigration brouhaha is the least important issue in the election.

You should.  APF is taking them to task and they don't even realize it.

While I'm sure what they're saying about Hillary is stupid and absurd and APF is justly owning them on it, his support for Hillary is... creepy.

[Gay Boy]

Holy fuck what she said was a play on a common immigrant rallying cry that has been around for years.  That GAF thread is the fucking stupidest thing I've read all week.

I've yet to click on it, for a couple of reasons.  One, GAF is fucking distinguished mentally-challenged.  Two, to me the whole immigration brouhaha is the least important issue in the election.

You should.  APF is taking them to task and they don't even realize it.

While I'm sure what they're saying about Hillary is stupid and absurd and APF is justly owning them on it, his support for Hillary is... creepy.

How is it creepy?

[Human Snorenado]

Holy fuck what she said was a play on a common immigrant rallying cry that has been around for years.  That GAF thread is the fucking stupidest thing I've read all week.

I've yet to click on it, for a couple of reasons.  One, GAF is fucking distinguished mentally-challenged.  Two, to me the whole immigration brouhaha is the least important issue in the election.

You should.  APF is taking them to task and they don't even realize it.

While I'm sure what they're saying about Hillary is stupid and absurd and APF is justly owning them on it, his support for Hillary is... creepy.

How is it creepy?

Maybe creepy is the wrong word.  Perhaps "eerily correct" would be better.  APF often strikes me as someone with no real convictions other than arguing with people on either extreme side of an issue.  His support of a centrist candidate that is often portrayed (whether you agree or not) as having no real convictions other than whatever helps her become President is strangely appropriate, wouldn't you say?

[APF]

lol, me.

[APF]

It's a bizarre double standard, but it's ok to be misogynistic but not racist.  *shrugs*

Totally agree.

[rodi]

Unfortunately, I've heard more registered voters like those on GAF than here. 

[Phoenix Dark]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=226966
 

[Trent Dole]

I HAS A VAGINA

[APF]

God damnit women, don't you know you women can't say the word "woman" without being a feminist dike and shit woman??

[Himu]

You mean the BLACK House, amirite guys?

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[Flannel Boy]

Hillary Clinton is yet another politician who has no respect for borders. "No woman is illegal" is more candy coated, meaningless pandering.

[MrAngryFace]

B&N is a much better bookstore than Borders anyway.

[Mandark]

Lots of the liberals at GAF aren't so liberal.

I'm talking young agnostic dudes who are irked by the right wing's religiosity, warmongering, and choice of Bush as an avatar.  Under different circumstances, they could just as easily have become libertarians (and some have).

You can see it the most in topics about feminism or immigration, where their sense of entitlement is really apparent.

[Mupepe]

Most of the people on GAF only spout what they've heard.  Most of them are very young and immature though and that seems to go hand in hand.

[Eric P]

You mean the BLACK House, amirite guys?

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dre gets straight menacing like a buddhist

[brawndolicious]

they try to say that men get comments about fat ankles just as much as women, its insane.

cankle-bitches.

[Phoenix Dark]

B&N is a much better bookstore than Borders anyway.

Oh hell yes. Our B&N is massive like a library, with like 2 escalators and shit.

[Cormacaroni]

The lending comment is self-evidently true. No-one rational can disagree with it. But it's also completely meaningless because any proposed solution hinges on deciding where the line between responsible and irresponsible lending lies. When you break it down, it's about as meaningful as saying 'Bad things are bad'. Giving her kudos for that is 

[brawndolicious]

you'll be fine as long as you retire after 87.

[ferrarimanf355]

B&N is a much better bookstore than Borders anyway.

Oh hell yes. Our B&N is massive like a library, with like 2 escalators and shit.

The one across the street from FAU only has one escalator.  :'(