No Xbox announcments at CES means death of Xbox

[Smooth Groove]

willco the insider

In regards to what?  That Microsoft spent money to lock up BioShock or the sequel/prequel are in production?  Both are well-known and Google reveals all!

Dude, y2kev, I don't understand your grief at me slighting KillZone and Resistance.  Both are games that are generally regarded by the press, gamers and everybody as exceptionally average.  Are there any GOTY lists that had either title on them or anything?  I don't understand the hype for a sequel to either - it just screams of desperation to play anything worthwhile on a system that has been a vacuum for content.  I get it.  I used to own a N64.  I know what it's like.

No, they don't. WTF. Resistance averages near a 9 on gamerankings. This is average to you? And as for the gamers, it's like the only successful PS3 game. Who is calling it average other than EvilBore?

Resistance's 86.6 on gamerankings won't even place it in the top 50 shooters of all time.  That's pretty average.  Aside from GAF, I know few people that really give a crap about Resistance.  All of my gaming cousins are Sfags (unfortunately) and they all prefer COD4.  If Resistance was a multiplatform game,  I doubt most Sony fans on the internet would give a crap about it.  

No, I am not going to agree with you. I'd argue the press was particularly fair with Resistance, and its multiplayer appeal was even discounted-- it is one of the most vibrant online communities online today with dedicated servers and fully featured matchmaking. We're considering Eurogamer even revised their score DOWN a point in a re-review, right? Resistance was not reviewed with kid gloves.

I'm not going to continue butting heads over this. It's an absolutely pointless conversation.

The press weren't the only ones that didn't think much of Resistance.  Insomniac's peers didn't even nominate Resistance for anything at GDC.  

[Smooth Groove]

seems 360 is headed for its second consecutive year of declining software quality and hardware shipments

if only microsoft could somehow trade smug fans for exclusive games

You actually thought that the 360's 2nd year was worse than the 1st year? 

Graw and Gears of War were the only big impact 360 titles that I can remember from year 1. 

[MCD]

Dead Rising was pretty big and COD2 was the best launch title for 360.

[Smooth Groove]

Oops, can't believe I forgot about Dead Rising.  I still think it's one of the top 5 360 games.  I've never tried COD2 on the 360 although I've heard that it's better optimized than the PC version. 

[drohne]

i'll take rr6, oblivion, chromehounds, dead rising, and gears over anything 360 had in 07, though i might be alone on that. i think 360's recent lineup is way overrated -- bioshock, mass effect, assassin's creed, cod4, and halo 3 are all problematic. to say the least. 

[MrAngryFace]

you are alone my friend, so terribly alone

[The Sceneman]

Dead Rising is the best game for 360

and the OP article, WTF

obviously paid for by Sony

[MrAngryFace]

07 was one of my favorite years of gaming in a while all around, and PS3 was NOT a reason for it.

PSP on the other hand was.

[MCD]

Lost Planet is 2007 and i recall you liking it, drohne.

[y2kev]

How, on what planet, does 87% make a game average? You are considering ALL shooters and Resistance's placement on that grand list and then you make that judgement?

Do you know what an "average" is?

I don't accept your first premise-- the press DID think something of Resistance. How in the world do you see the review scores it got and assign that as "didn't think much of it"? Just say you didn't like the game and move on. I'd totally accept that.

[drohne]

yeah, i thought 360 started 2007 really well, with lost planet, armored core 4, senkou no ronde, and edf.  circa march or april i was thinking '360 is the new ps2'...but then it had a huge drought, and it's yet to really fulfill that promise of ps2esque variety

[Himu]

Dead Rising is the best game for 360

[MrAngryFace]

Armored Core 4? srsly? hah

[drohne]

my dodgy mech game is less embarrassing than your dodgy mech game

[y2kev]

I think Gears is probably still my favorite 360 game.

[MrAngryFace]

Tech Romancer > AC4!

[Smooth Groove]

How, on what planet, does 87% make a game average? You are considering ALL shooters and Resistance's placement on that grand list and then you make that judgement?

Do you know what an "average" is?

I don't accept your first premise-- the press DID think something of Resistance. How in the world do you see the review scores it got and assign that "average"? Just say you didn't like the game and move on. I'd totally accept that.

I guess I mean average game that I would play.  I don't usually bother with games that will most likely be crap like Blacksite or the new Soldier of Fortune.  Regardless, neither the media nor other developers thought highly enough of Resistance to nominate it for any awards.  Which is why I agree with Wilco that the hype for the sequel is entirely out of proportion.  

[drohne]

i was thinking of gundam musou, but tech romancer sucked too

from software

[MrAngryFace]

Oh man, youre swinging for the fences today buddy!

[Smooth Groove]

I don't think a MS console will ever be the platform of choice for non-mainstream Japanese titles.  

[y2kev]

How, on what planet, does 87% make a game average? You are considering ALL shooters and Resistance's placement on that grand list and then you make that judgement?

Do you know what an "average" is?

I don't accept your first premise-- the press DID think something of Resistance. How in the world do you see the review scores it got and assign that "average"? Just say you didn't like the game and move on. I'd totally accept that.

I guess I mean average game that I would play.  I don't usually bother with games that will most likely be crap like Blacksite or the new Soldier of Fortune.  Regardless, neither the media nor other developers thought highly enough of Resistance to nominate it for any awards.  Which is why I agree with Wilco that the hype for the sequel is entirely out of proportion.  

First of all, you've set up a false dichotomy. Because something does not get "awards" does not make it an average game. Very few games receive awards. On top of that, most of them are lol-worthy anyway. Furthermore, Resistance did receive some awards as listed on its Wikipedia page.

See, Blacksite and Soldier of Fortune are games that are literally receiving average scores-- that is, 4s and 5s. Not high 8s and low 9s.

I'm not going to comment on why "hype" bubbles or what have you, people get hyped for things for whatever reason they want. But if you want to understand, it probably has something to do with selling lots of copies and being a well received game.

[Himu]

then how come 360 has lots of not main stream japanese titles coming out in the future

[drew]

Dead Rising is the best game for 360

 

I can't believe I actually agree with Himuro.

[MCD]

I don't think a MS console will ever be the platform of choice for non-mainstream Japanese titles.  

not really.

From Software are developing unannounced game for 360 as far as i know, and they already developed Enchanted Arms, Tenchu Z and AC4 + the upcoming AC expansion, AC Answer.

and you have Mistwalker games, Namco's Eternal Sonata and the upcoming Tales game and Cavia (Bullet Witch and some animu mecha game)

also senkou no ronde, N3, KUF:COD, EDF and a lot of good XBLA Japanese support.

[Smooth Groove]

How, on what planet, does 87% make a game average? You are considering ALL shooters and Resistance's placement on that grand list and then you make that judgement?

Do you know what an "average" is?

I don't accept your first premise-- the press DID think something of Resistance. How in the world do you see the review scores it got and assign that "average"? Just say you didn't like the game and move on. I'd totally accept that.

I guess I mean average game that I would play.  I don't usually bother with games that will most likely be crap like Blacksite or the new Soldier of Fortune.  Regardless, neither the media nor other developers thought highly enough of Resistance to nominate it for any awards.  Which is why I agree with Wilco that the hype for the sequel is entirely out of proportion.  

First of all, you've set up a false dichotomy. Because something does not get "awards" does not make it an average game. Very few games receive awards. On top of that, most of them are lol-worthy anyway. Furthermore, Resistance did receive some awards as listed on its Wikipedia page.

See, Blacksite and Soldier of Fortune are games that are literally receiving average scores-- that is, 4s and 5s. Not high 8s and low 9s.

I'm not going to comment on why "hype" bubbles or what have you, people get hyped for things for whatever reason they want. But if you want to understand, it probably has something to do with selling lots of copies and being a well received game.

Didn't I already say that it's average by my standards because I don't play many crap games?  

Besides, mostly high 8s and low 9s don't equate to a 86.6.  Resistance got as many 7s and 8s as it got 9s.  Resistance's review scores are far from impressive, to say the least.  

I brought up the point about awards to refute the notion that Resistance is considered a top tier FPS.  The fact that Resistance was hardly nominated for any non-platform specific awards is telling of how it wasn't really considered AAA.  

[y2kev]

I'm convinced you are doing this to get my blood pressure up.

Besides, mostly high 8s and low 9s don't equate to a 86.6.  Resistance got as many 7s and 8s as it got 9s.  Resistance's review scores are far from impressive, to say the least. 

At least do the research!

7s - 8 reviews
8s - 28 reviews
9s - 37 reviews

Apparently your notion of crap ends at 86.6% and everything above = great.

[Smooth Groove]

I'm convinced you are doing this to get my blood pressure up.

Besides, mostly high 8s and low 9s don't equate to a 86.6.  Resistance got as many 7s and 8s as it got 9s.  Resistance's review scores are far from impressive, to say the least. 

At least do the research!

7s - 8 reviews
8s - 28 reviews
9s - 37 reviews

Apparently your notion of crap ends at 86.6% and everything above = great.

You said "high 8s".  Many of those 8s are just 8s.  I've never said that Resistance is crap.  Like I said, I consider it average among the shooters that I've played.  I've always made it clear that I rarely bother with any games that don't get at least averages of 80% in reviews. 

We keep arguing over what is average but can you at least agree that Resistance is not considered one of the top shooters by the majority of the gaming world? 

[y2kev]

Right after Turok 2: seeds of evil.

[The Sceneman]

where did all these sbots come from

[MrAngryFace]

Its part of any backlash. People only like things to tear them down.

[calcifer]

seems 360 is headed for its second consecutive year of declining software quality and hardware shipments

if only microsoft could somehow trade smug fans for exclusive games

You actually thought that the 360's 2nd year was worse than the 1st year? 

Graw and Gears of War were the only big impact 360 titles that I can remember from year 1. 

 

oblivion, dead rising, gears > whatever tripe was released in 07

where did all these sbots come from

you seem offended

maybe you're better off just sucking dick over at teamxbox forums

[The Sceneman]

no thanks cuntface

[calcifer]

no thanks cuntface

your moms got a cunt.. ON HER FACE

cocknosejizzerbabyrapist

[brawndolicious]

There have never been any real announcements for the gaming market at CES.  I think GDC had the Home announcement (big whoop?) but that's in 1 month.  Not trolling, but Sony is announcing stuff too early.

[Shuri]

From Software is working on.. CHROMEHOUNDS  2:D

(i wish)

[y2kev]

i've never played ch...is it worthwhile now or is it just multiplayer dependent (which im sure is barren and saggy)?

[brawndolicious]

you fuck...

i've never played ch...is it worthwhile now or is it just multiplayer dependent (which im sure is barren and saggy)?

awesome.  get.  still good.  both parts.  MP centric though (people still play).

[drohne]

ch's campaign is totally worthless, but it's the best multiplayer console game ever -- if you can find a good, active squad. i think the gaf squads are dead, but you might check out the official forums or something.

edit: actually chromehounds multi is also fun solo and in random pickup games, though you need a coordinated squad to have the full experience

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

We (aka Che's GAF Brigade) were playing Chromehounds again late last summer.  For about all of August to be exact.  Is was actually a whole hell of a lot better that time around 'cause Sega/From fixed the balancing issues (the end of the double double douche bags!) and no m0dus or Che.  At it's peak last summer we had 12 regulars a night with some stragglers here and there. It was sweet.  But as soon as all the big games started to drop, so did the players.  I still play other games with the core of that group though....*sniff*....good times.

Goddamn Chromehounds rocked.  You should've jumped in again drohne.

[Phoenix Dark]

GOW2 better be a significant upgrade from the first one in terms of graphics and gameplay; the game won't be able to get away with a "sequel in HD" type upgrade a la Halo 3.

Fable, MGS4, GOW2. If people think those are the only big guns MS has they're stupid. Same with Nintendo: outside of another Mario Kart we don't know much about 2008, but only a FOOL would just jump to the conclusion that Nintendo has nothing up its sleeve.

The 360 is the king of FPS on consoles, and while the PS3 is about to get two pretty (albeit mediocre) sequels to FPS franchises, I'd GUESS that there's something up MS's sleeve as well

[MrAngryFace]

PS3 spends 2 years sucking, and people lap it up cause a trade show that doesnt advertise games doesnt have new 360 news? LAWLZ

[Van Cruncheon]

SONYGAF WANTS TO BEEELLIIIEEEEEVVE

[The Sceneman]

actually nm

edit: too late lol

[Phoenix Dark]

GOW2 better be a significant upgrade from the first one in terms of graphics and gameplay; the game won't be able to get away with a "sequel in HD" type upgrade a la Halo 3.

 you really dont know what youre talking about do you? GoW is one of the best looking next-gen games you douche

get back to wanking over your fantasy of Tom hanks sucking off Taleb Kwalie (sic, on purpose)

Go wipe your vagina, you're getting bitchy

GOW looks awesome, but there will have to be some improvements like any other sequel. Outside of Halo 3 of course

[drohne]

i couldn't get back into chromehounds after the last patch -- it killed the stability on my old hounds, and i didn't want to get into the whole process of building and testing new ones

[MCD]

GOW2 needs a longer campaign, 4 coop and better bosses.

a good netcode is a must too.

on the graphics side, i remember Epic saying they didn't use all UE3 features or something like that and they recently improved their engine lighting (i think):
http://www.beyond3d.com/content/news/546

[brawndolicious]

PD is a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

just ban him from the gaming forum.  at least until GDC.

[calcifer]

wow this really is a xbox fagdump

gow = god of war
gears = gears of war

get it right feggits

[Himu]

i like how you call this an xbot fan dumb when we're all WANKING over the psp and glorious ps2 at the same time as the 360. Are you REALLY that dense? We're not xbots; we're GAMEbots. We care about the GAMES.

Take your stupid console war bullshit back to gaf or opa or whatever, I don't care. No one likes you.

[calcifer]

how convinent

ps3 has good games too so why the hate? oh thats right because your xbots

and if you liked psp you would buy games for it which you clearly are not

so stfu and send me some more love pms, honeycup

[Himu]

I have played or at least tried out most of the noteworthy ps3 games at my cousins house:

the only good ps3 games that are exclusive is super stardust hd and everyday shooter

ps3 has good lookin games on the way, don't get me wrong, which is why i want one. but the games currently out for it are pathetic.

"and if you liked psp you would buy games for it which you clearly are not"

what?

the only person here who pirates psp games is demi

[calcifer]

from metacritic
ratchet 88
uncharted 88
sigma 88
resistance 86
ut3 86
everyday shooter 85
motorstorm 84
warhawk 84
singstar 84
hsg5 82
etc

and if you're such a HUGE gamebot you could probably enjoy games in the 7.5+ range as well

[MrAngryFace]

PS3 has good 'game'

[Eel O'Brian]

I'm interested in UT3 for the user mods, but not $60 interested

I keep meaning to pick up motorstorm since you can get it pretty cheap nowadays

The only thing stopping me from picking up Warhawk is that there might not be a lot of people left playing now, maybe if they do a low-priced bundle with the new DLC included

[Himu]

ratchet 88 - same thing as past games. zzz.
uncharted 88 - I played a bit of it, at least 2-3 hours over xmas break, and I wasn't impressed.
sigma 88 - I own 2 versions of NG already. why would anyone want another version?
resistance 86 - haven't played this
ut3 86 - why would i want ut on consoles
everyday shooter 85 - owns
motorstorm 84 - lol average
warhawk 84 - this looks meh
singstar 84 - i'd rather get rock band
hsg5 82 - this isn't even out in america yet get your head out of yer ass

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

PS3 does have a good version of Oblivion!  I'll give it that.

Honestly, the only games that really impressed me so on the system  so far have been Uncharted (awesome) and Everyday Shooter.  I've literally played everything available outside of a good chunk of the multiplatform stuff and been left shrugging my shoulders at what the hell everyone has gotten so excited about.  I love the system itself though with its functionality and how quiet it is but as far as games are concerned.....yeah, I'm not a believer.

lol...I think it was last week on GAF that people were actually arguing that the PS3's first year was better software wise than the PS2's.  Those people have really drank the Kool-Aid. 

[MrAngryFace]

To be fair PS3 is an excellent Bluray player and is home to the best Baseball game ever MLB 07 The Show. 08 looks awesome

[AdmiralViscen]

Who's talking about sales?

you are

No I'm not distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. I'm talking about how PS3's 2007 lineup (at the end of 2006 and start of 2007) was supposed to be loaded with killer apps that were going to PROVE THE TANGIBLE DIFFERENCE and shit all over Halo 3 and... what else is there on 360?

I mean, with games like

Motorstorm - decent
F1 - what's that again?
NG:Black - the port that time forgot
Heavenly Sword - Perfect $20 title
Lair - oops time to backpedal
Ratchet - finally, a game to play
Uncharted - Arguably, a game to play
LBP - oops
Home - oops

And whatever else I'm forgetting. Sony fans of 2006 were touting 2007 as a banner year before all the games were delayed or turned out to be generic, forgettable, or shit. Sony wound up squeaking out 2 (3?) good games after all the hubbub.

Now it's time to look to the future again for a reason to own the damn thing, cross your fingers! Meanwhile, 360 owners have a backlog right now.

You forgot the likes of Warhawk, Tekken 5 Dark Resurrection Online, and Virtua Fighter 5.  And looking at those, Warhawk feels like an "incomplete" game, TK5 DR is great, but lacks all the modes and features of the PSP port, plus the online play is wonky, and VF5 was based on version B of the game and killed by the superior 360 version.

There's also some sports games like Sony's MLB game that I heard were awesome.  Plus you're forgetting multi-platform titles like Call Of Duty 4, Orange Box, Assassin's Creed, Unreal Tournament III, Dynasty Warriors Gundam, and more.  There's a number of games that got released on both consoles that people with both or favoring 360 just tend to forget about, and I think that's the biggest problem among fanboy internet debates.

Three things:
-The point is discussing games that were supposed to make PS3 the must-have console of 2007 (and now 2008), games on other consoles don't matter
-Real gamers had 360 already and don't care about all that
-Almost every single multiplat game is better on 360, including them only makes PS3 look worse


edit: Holy shit I did not realize this was 3 pages now lol

[MrAngryFace]

Lets just hope Nintendo has a good showing at Cannes or else ITS ALL OVER

[hyp]

did someone leave the gaf floodgates open?  this thread is bizarro land.