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German expressionism is a bit much for me...
« on: January 14, 2008, 02:15:40 AM »
But its influence did wonders for low-key lighting in Hollywood film noirs.  Hooray German expressionism!

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« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2008, 02:16:41 AM »
You're just trying to change the subject from Deathly Hallows! I'm onto you!

A lot of those film noirs use low-key lighting because it was cheaper and because a lot of the directors, cinematographers, crew, etc., who worked on those films were European ex-patriates who'd moved to the US because of the war.

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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2008, 02:31:35 AM »
I'll agree with you, actually, Mandark.  I love these movies, but I'm glad the off-the-hook, unfiltered expressionism thing was something of a fad.  It's good when it works, but just imagine what would happen if the form was still "pure" today.  What would Michael Bay's Expressionistic Transformers be like?  Well, actually, I guess it couldn't be any worse.
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« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2008, 02:33:23 AM »
Can you imagine the scale and noise of a Michael Bay production combined with the aggressive weirdness of straight-up expressionism?

That would mess up some heads.

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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2008, 02:35:10 AM »
What films featuring German expressionism would you recommend, TVC?  I've only seen a few during film classes - the stuff every film student watches in college, I guess.
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« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2008, 02:36:32 AM »
I can look at expressionist paintings all day though.  Best art style evar

I guess that's another thing with silent films.  They also have a lot more to do with pure photography than movies today.  Since cameras couldn't move much back then, you were basically stuck with one view per shot, which meant more care had to be put into the composition of shots, similar to photography.  The positions of actors and lighting is arguably even more important, but it also makes it easier to do the expressionist shadowplay-y stuff.

What films featuring German expressionism would you recommend, TVC?  I've only seen a few during film classes - the stuff every film student watches in college, I guess.

Fritz Lang's silent movies.  He's a good source because of the variety.  Expressionist visuals seem to get shoehorned into being noiry, but Lang showed they had range.  Mabuse, Metropolis, Woman in the Moon, M. . .all glorious and all in different genres.  If you want something that's long (like 5 hours long) and something of a mixed bag, check out Lang's filmed version of Die Nibelungen.  You can't argue with visuals like this:





Due to its nature, Die Nibelungen isn't quite what I'd hold up as an example of expressionism.  Lang doesn't have a lot of sharp angles to work with.  It does have it's expressionist moments, though, and expressionism or not, it is a glorious looking film.

Murnau's got some good ones, too.  Nosferatu, of course.  Oh, and The Last Laugh.  Well, that is not really textbook expressionism, either, but it's a really fucking awesome Murnau silent movie.  I want to check out Murnau's Phantom.

Oh and Caligari, too, of course.
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« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2008, 02:38:12 AM »
TVC, have you seen Tarkovsky's Stalker?  film buff friend of mine described it in a way that really sold me on it
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« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2008, 02:39:38 AM »
German expressionist influenced Hollywood films because lots of German expressionists moved to Hollywood.  Dudes like Robert Siodmak, Fritz Lang, and more people that those better versed in this stuff then me could name moved to America (the money was better, and the Nazis didn't like smart people) and set up shop there.  Film Noir was pretty much invented by copying zee Germans.

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« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2008, 02:40:50 AM »
Meh, not me.  I'm a fan of French impressionism, pointillism, that kinda thing.  I can look at those paintings all day.  I have a deep appreciation for the Italian Renaissance too.  German expressionism somehow feels too "cold" for me.
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« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2008, 02:45:06 AM »
TVC, have you seen Tarkovsky's Stalker?  film buff friend of mine described it in a way that really sold me on it

No, but I've kind of been dying to see it for like a year :(

If I want impressionism, I will just put in Barry Lyndon, lol.
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« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2008, 03:00:57 AM »
 I prefer British Repressionism.
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« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2008, 03:04:42 AM »
I prefer British Repressionism.

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« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2008, 12:00:46 PM »
Do they have collections of silent films at Best Buy or something?  I need to watch some after a bunch of the screen caps you've shown me.  They look brutal.

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Ichirou

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« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2008, 12:12:58 PM »
I can look at expressionist paintings all day though.  Best art style evar

I guess that's another thing with silent films.  They also have a lot more to do with pure photography than movies today.  Since cameras couldn't move much back then, you were basically stuck with one view per shot, which meant more care had to be put into the composition of shots, similar to photography.  The positions of actors and lighting is arguably even more important, but it also makes it easier to do the expressionist shadowplay-y stuff.

What films featuring German expressionism would you recommend, TVC?  I've only seen a few during film classes - the stuff every film student watches in college, I guess.

Fritz Lang's silent movies.  He's a good source because of the variety.  Expressionist visuals seem to get shoehorned into being noiry, but Lang showed they had range.  Mabuse, Metropolis, Woman in the Moon, M. . .all glorious and all in different genres.  If you want something that's long (like 5 hours long) and something of a mixed bag, check out Lang's filmed version of Die Nibelungen.  You can't argue with visuals like this:

Due to its nature, Die Nibelungen isn't quite what I'd hold up as an example of expressionism.  Lang doesn't have a lot of sharp angles to work with.  It does have it's expressionist moments, though, and expressionism or not, it is a glorious looking film.

Murnau's got some good ones, too.  Nosferatu, of course.  Oh, and The Last Laugh.  Well, that is not really textbook expressionism, either, but it's a really fucking awesome Murnau silent movie.  I want to check out Murnau's Phantom.

Oh and Caligari, too, of course.

Re. Lang: I've seen M, two of the Mabuse films, Metropolis, and Die Nibelungen.  I haven't seen Woman in the Moon.  What's that one about?

Die Nibelungen I actually watched in 2007 during my vacation, borrowed it from my aunt.  I didn't see all of it, tho.

I've also seen Nosferatu, Caligari, and The Man Who Laughs (is that what you meant by The Last Laugh, or is that another movie entirely?).
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