Author Topic: "no shit" of the day. (Read 4380 times)

hyp · « **on:** January 16, 2008, 06:43:05 PM »

http://www.destructoid.com/goichi-suda-third-party-wii-games-aren-t-cutting-it-65104.phtml

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Goichi Suda, the game developer behind GameCube indie offering Killer 7 and the upcoming Wii title No More Heroes, recently commented on the state of the Wii and the games coming out for it, saying that third-party games weren't doing well. Suda was quoted as saying:

“I am very surprised about the reality about Wii, because before I was making this game, I wasn't expecting that Wii would be a console targeted only for non-gamers. I expected more games for hardcore gamers. The reality is different to what I expected."

Suda is not the only major developer to voice such an opinion. It is commonly believed by many people that the biggest benefits of the Wii all go directly to Nintendo. As Nintendo do make good games, some people may not be phased by this, but for gamers who look forward to the offerings of third party publishers, it sounds a death knell for the future of third party contribution.

Vizzys · « **Reply #1 on:** January 16, 2008, 06:45:54 PM »

Poor guy

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #2 on:** January 16, 2008, 06:46:20 PM »

Didn't Killer 7 sell like 5000 copies worldwide on the PS2? He ought to be used to it by now.

MCD · « **Reply #3 on:** January 16, 2008, 06:47:50 PM »

stop making jappy looking niche games if you want sales.

hyp · « **Reply #4 on:** January 16, 2008, 06:48:29 PM »

^^ serious. shit like this will make you the BIG monies:

MCD · « **Reply #5 on:** January 16, 2008, 06:50:39 PM »

on the wii? yes it will.

he has only himself to blame, or maybe he wants to blame god.

FancyFeast · « **Reply #6 on:** January 16, 2008, 06:51:47 PM »

IN all honesty do you really think he could forsee this being the case a year or so ago when he started work on it?

I STILL can't get over the fact that Galaxy kind of tanked in Japan. Zelda too, it's kind of gross.

Quote from: McDragon on January 16, 2008, 06:50:39 PM

on the wii? yes it will.

he has only himself to blame.

BS.

MCD · « **Reply #7 on:** January 16, 2008, 06:55:54 PM »

At least Galaxy is close to 1 million now.

hyp · « **Reply #8 on:** January 16, 2008, 06:56:26 PM »

doesn't do much to help the 3rd party situation though.

MCD · « **Reply #9 on:** January 16, 2008, 07:01:29 PM »

that's what you get for making games on the Wii.

and Suda games were always like this, shit sales regardless of the quality.

Himu · « **Reply #10 on:** January 16, 2008, 07:03:10 PM »

the thing about NMH is that it is hardly niche at all, compared to something like K7.

hyp · « **Reply #11 on:** January 16, 2008, 07:04:14 PM »

gameplay wise, maybe not as much as K7. but style wise, i don't expect parents and casuals to be flocking to it.

Himu · « **Reply #12 on:** January 16, 2008, 07:05:31 PM »

The story is FUCK EVERYONE I'M GOING TO BE THE BEST ASSASSIN AND MAKE IT TO THE TOP. How does that not appeal to casuals? It's nothing but fucking balls against the wall action.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #13 on:** January 16, 2008, 07:07:45 PM »

All his games bomb, and for good justice. Nothing new you wanna-be Tarantino ass nicca

demi · « **Reply #14 on:** January 16, 2008, 07:09:13 PM »

I'm going to do my part and buy from WalMart, don't support NPD on this stuff

Oblivion · « **Reply #15 on:** January 16, 2008, 07:12:53 PM »

Quote from: McDragon on January 16, 2008, 07:01:29 PM

that's what you get for making games on the Wii.

and Suda games were always like this, shit sales regardless of the quality.

Pretty much. Even K7 on PS2 did horrible (even worse than the GC version).

The Sceneman · « **Reply #16 on:** January 16, 2008, 07:15:27 PM »

it still find it unbelievable how many Wii's get sold and how games sell like shit on it

Non gamers

edit: just read PD's post, you couldnt be more wrong, Suda shits all over Tarantino in terms of creativity

Tarantino makes fun movies, but its all his later shit is just copy and paste mish mashes of 50 other movies. Suda's works are truly original texts

hyp · « **Reply #17 on:** January 16, 2008, 07:15:56 PM »

Quote from: demi on January 16, 2008, 07:09:13 PM

I'm going to do my part and buy from WalMart, don't support NPD on this stuff

fuckin' demi man.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #18 on:** January 16, 2008, 07:33:40 PM »

Who keeps funding his games?

y2kev · « **Reply #19 on:** January 16, 2008, 07:43:04 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 16, 2008, 07:07:45 PM

All his games bomb, and for good justice. Nothing new you wanna-be Tarantino ass nicca

omg pd

Loller7 is awful. but i do wanna try NMH...looks a bit more gamey and less shitty.

abrader · « **Reply #20 on:** January 16, 2008, 07:55:55 PM »

Killer 7 WAS fuck awesome.

I hope this does well. I am looking forward to it.

MCD · « **Reply #21 on:** January 16, 2008, 08:00:23 PM »

Publisher: Ubisoft

huh, if only they can market it like Red Steel

Howard Alan Treesong · « **Reply #22 on:** January 16, 2008, 08:01:06 PM »

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on January 16, 2008, 07:48:19 PM

Killer7 was fuck awesome.

yeah, when I finally got around to playing it, I wanted to punch all the haters in the face for keeping me away from it for so long

abrader · « **Reply #23 on:** January 16, 2008, 08:07:01 PM »

Quote from: Genghis Cohen on January 16, 2008, 07:58:20 PM

It will do terrible. :'(

Terrible in the market or terrible on my TV?

The Sceneman · « **Reply #24 on:** January 16, 2008, 08:08:58 PM »

Quote from: y2kev on January 16, 2008, 07:43:04 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 16, 2008, 07:07:45 PM
All his games bomb, and for good justice. Nothing new you wanna-be Tarantino ass nicca

omg pd

Loller7 is awful. but i do wanna try NMH...looks a bit more gamey and less shitty.

you astound me

y2kev · « **Reply #25 on:** January 16, 2008, 08:53:27 PM »

You call Team ICO's stuff dreck, but actually K7 suffers from a lot of the same issues...namely controls and such.

And, say what you will, his games are often cobbled together without any polish because the games have small budgets. Which is fine, but it leads to some annoying issues...especially concerning the PS2 version of K7.

Howard Alan Treesong · « **Reply #26 on:** January 16, 2008, 08:54:29 PM »

I like Team ICO and Killer 7 both. I am artfag gamer mcfaggot

demi · « **Reply #27 on:** January 16, 2008, 08:55:54 PM »

Quote from: y2kev on January 16, 2008, 08:53:27 PM

You call Team ICO's stuff dreck, but actually K7 suffers from a lot of the same issues...namely controls and such.

And, say what you will, his games are often cobbled together without any polish because the games have small budgets. Which is fine, but it leads to some annoying issues...especially concerning the PS2 version of K7.

PS2 shit to develop for confirmed

The Sceneman · « **Reply #28 on:** January 16, 2008, 09:35:25 PM »

Quote from: y2kev on January 16, 2008, 08:53:27 PM

You call Team ICO's stuff dreck, but actually K7 suffers from a lot of the same issues...namely controls and such.

And, say what you will, his games are often cobbled together without any polish because the games have small budgets. Which is fine, but it leads to some annoying issues...especially concerning the PS2 version of K7.

the GC version is super smooth, looks, controls and plays great. there is nothing wrong with the controls. The story is mind blowing and extremely complex.

Ico and SotC are all grey and ugly, and have no stories

Guy drags around some bitch

Guy rides a horse and fights big beasties

MCD · « **Reply #29 on:** January 16, 2008, 09:37:50 PM »

ico and sotc res. were like what? 300x200? lol

along with massive tearing and frame drops.

y2kev · « **Reply #30 on:** January 16, 2008, 09:38:44 PM »

Quote from: Scenester on January 16, 2008, 09:35:25 PM

Quote from: y2kev on January 16, 2008, 08:53:27 PM
You call Team ICO's stuff dreck, but actually K7 suffers from a lot of the same issues...namely controls and such.

And, say what you will, his games are often cobbled together without any polish because the games have small budgets. Which is fine, but it leads to some annoying issues...especially concerning the PS2 version of K7.

the GC version is super smooth, looks, controls and plays great. there is nothing wrong with the controls. The story is mind blowing and extremely complex.

Ico and SotC are all grey and ugly, and have no stories

Guy drags around some bitch

Guy rides a horse and fights big beasties

okay

and wtf at whining about ICO's framerate? ICO's biggest problem is the bizarrely low resolution (probably because the game was a ps1 game at one point). but calling it gray and or framey is stupid. the game's usage of color is stunning-- the windmill scene is incredibly memorable and bursting with color.

I honestly thought this was going to be a "taste" thing but then you say stupid shit like "ICO has no story." Lolz media shits on killer 7 and it bombs, i'll deal.

The Sceneman · « **Reply #31 on:** January 16, 2008, 09:41:40 PM »

yeah and Killer 7 looks fucking fantastic in comparison, (thanks to the power of the cube) and has a perfectly decent level (I would actually call it high) of polish

oh yeah I didnt mention the soundtrack, which shits all over any orchestrated garbage

and one colourful faget windmill scene doesnt make a good game, sorry

sorry kev, owned again

do you have a 360? Lets play online sometime

The Sceneman · « **Reply #32 on:** January 16, 2008, 09:45:00 PM »

thats a good point,

Im sorry Kev, lets be friends on Xbox live

my tag is Sceneman

we can play Ico online co-op once it hits xbla

y2kev · « **Reply #33 on:** January 16, 2008, 09:45:19 PM »

Quote from: Scenester on January 16, 2008, 09:41:40 PM

yeah and Killer 7 looks fucking fantastic in comparison, (thanks to the power of the cube) and has a perfectly decent level (I would actually call it high) of polish

oh yeah I didnt mention the soundtrack, which shits all over any orchestrated garbage

and one colourful faget windmill scene doesnt make a good game, sorry

sorry kev, owned again

do you have a 360? Lets play online sometime

Are we talking about ICO or SOTC here? ICO's soundtrack is incredibly minimalist, there's hardly anything there (except towards the end). And SOTC's OST is award winning. You're one of those "orchestrated is bad" people, aren't you? "Orchestrated garbage" for one of the most varied, dynamic soundtracks in recent memory = no.

"colorful faget windmill scene"

Okay dude I think you've made your point.

edit: I like shenmue

The Sceneman · « **Reply #34 on:** January 16, 2008, 09:46:45 PM »

I was just trolling, I do enjoy orchestrated soundtracks, like the Baten Kaitos music omg

y2kev · « **Reply #35 on:** January 16, 2008, 09:47:42 PM »

what 360 games do you like to play

MCD · « **Reply #36 on:** January 16, 2008, 10:02:14 PM »

trolling

The Sceneman · « **Reply #37 on:** January 16, 2008, 10:05:33 PM »

Quote from: y2kev on January 16, 2008, 09:47:42 PM

what 360 games do you like to play

anything good

Doom mainly

Himu · « **Reply #38 on:** January 16, 2008, 10:40:37 PM »

Killer 7 owned goddamit.

y2kev · « **Reply #39 on:** January 16, 2008, 10:41:29 PM »

Quote from: Himuro on January 16, 2008, 10:40:37 PM

Killer 7 owned goddamit.

Himu · « **Reply #40 on:** January 16, 2008, 10:41:45 PM »

Quote from: Scenester on January 16, 2008, 09:35:25 PM

Quote from: y2kev on January 16, 2008, 08:53:27 PM
You call Team ICO's stuff dreck, but actually K7 suffers from a lot of the same issues...namely controls and such.

And, say what you will, his games are often cobbled together without any polish because the games have small budgets. Which is fine, but it leads to some annoying issues...especially concerning the PS2 version of K7.

the GC version is super smooth, looks, controls and plays great. there is nothing wrong with the controls. The story is mind blowing and extremely complex.

Ico and SotC are all grey and ugly, and have no stories

Guy drags around some bitch

Guy rides a horse and fights big beasties

Um. Ico and SotC have plenty of story. wtf.

The Sceneman · « **Reply #41 on:** January 16, 2008, 11:12:04 PM »

ive said it once and I'll say it again, I was trolling, not stating facts

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Author Topic: "no shit" of the day. (Read 4380 times)