What are the movies you're going make sure your children watch?

[Himu]

The Godfather is like having a bottle of Fat Tire, whereas Shitface is like glugging down a 40 of schlitz.  Scarface, just like Schlitz, is only for minorities, alcoholics, and dirty poors.  Some of us here have CULTURE.

I don't understand how people can love the Die Hards, the Terminators, and all of that and shit on Scarface while harpin' about "culture".

[Powerslave]

I was just thinking about Die Hard when I saw Cajole's post.

[Van Cruncheon]

because scarface is SERIOUS BIDNESS for a collection of wanna-be thuglets

[TVC15]

The Godfather is like having a bottle of Fat Tire, whereas Shitface is like glugging down a 40 of schlitz.  Scarface, just like Schlitz, is only for minorities, alcoholics, and dirty poors.  Some of us here have CULTURE.

I don't understand how people can love the Die Hards, the Terminators, and all of that and shit on Scarface while harpin' about "culture".

Not that I'm a very big fan of either of those, I think the killer to me for Scarface is Pacino's terrible acting, and the odd contrast that many people appear to take the movie seriously.  Black people taking Scarface seriously would be like me, I dunno, taking Dumb and Dumber seriously.

[Powerslave]

because scarface is SERIOUS BIDNESS for a collection of wanna-be thuglets

I like the movie but I'm not a Tony Montana wannabe. Why is it so hard to believe that there are genuine fans of this movie?

[Himu]

I don't take it seriously, I just think it's an entertaining movie and I like gangster shit and seeing fuckers get tore up by chainsaws in broad daylight.

[TVC15]

How bout this julio, I will consume an entire bottle of sleeping pills and put Scarface on, and I will see what drives me to suicide first?

[Mandark]

I think the white person equivalent for Scarface might be Wall Street/Glengarry Glen Ross.

Or, you know, Star Wars.

[Himu]

TVC praises Robocop but hates Scarface. SMH.

[CajoleJuice]

Glengarry Glen Ross

[TVC15]

TVC praises Robocop but hates Scarface. SMH.

You see, the difference is that Robocop is a pretty clever satire, whereas Scarface is shit.  The first clue that it's shit is the whole De Palma thing.  That is usually a dead giveaway.

[Powerslave]

Oh, add the Indiana Jones movies to the list of shitmovies which are apparently ok to love 

[Himu]

why is scarface shit when are the same folks who like robocop, indiana jones, die hard, terminator;etc.

it's the same damn shit. really popular summer blockbuster type of crap.

[CajoleJuice]

Indiana Jones

Terminator

Die Hard

[Powerslave]

why is scarface shit when are the same folks who like robocop, indiana jones, die hard, terminator;etc.

it's the same damn shit. really popular summer blockbuster type of crap.

I wouldn't place Scarface in the summer blockbuster genre. It's really more of a cult movie which  got destroyed by popular media.

[Himu]

So it's basically just a bunch of white people hating on scarface because distinguished black fellows and spicks like it

[Van Cruncheon]

scarface is also poorly-written and acted

it's closer to transformers and new jack city than raiders or terminator

[Powerslave]

So it's basically just a bunch of white people hating on scarface because distinguished black fellows and spicks like it

Basically yeah. Scarface became one of those cool things to hate. I mean you're not really edgy until you start to express your dislike in this movie.

[Flannel Boy]

So it's basically just a bunch of white people hating on scarface because distinguished black fellows and spicks like it

Basically yeah. Scarface became one of those cool things to hate. I mean you're not really edgy until you start to express your dislike in this movie.

Or, Scarface is a genuinely bad movie with nothing redeemable about it, save a few memorable one liners.

[Himu]

scarface is also poorly-written and acted

it's closer to transformers and new jack city than raiders or terminator

You said in the past that Indiana Jones had poor acting and writing and yet its your favorite movie.

[TVC15]

why is scarface shit when are the same folks who like robocop, indiana jones, die hard, terminator;etc.

it's the same damn shit. really popular summer blockbuster type of crap.

Robocop - Clever satire disguised as a dumb action movie.
Indiana Jones - The first movie is the only great movie.  I don't see how it is comparable to Scarface, or big dumb summer action movies in any way.  Moreso than any other movie, Raiders has something for everyone.  It's an "action" movie in that it is bloody exciting, never relenting, for the entire running time, and it is shot FUCK ALL GORGEOUS amazing.  On my short list of personal favorites.  A definite desert island disc.
Die Hard and terminator - Good entertaining action movies.  I don't think they are great, but they are good at what they do.  Unlike Scarface.

[Powerslave]

So it's basically just a bunch of white people hating on scarface because distinguished black fellows and spicks like it

Basically yeah. Scarface became one of those cool things to hate. I mean you're not really edgy until you start to express your dislike in this movie.

Or, Scarface is a genuinely bad movie with nothing redeemable about it, save a few memorable one liners.

Same thing could be said about any movie.

[Himu]

How is Scarface bad at what it does? It's about a gangster and fucking people up and stealing the white man's women. It does this wonderfully.

[TVC15]

How is Scarface bad at what it does? It's about a gangster and fucking people up and stealing the white man's women. It does this wonderfully.

Pacino delivers one of the worst performances in the history of post-1980 US cinema.  For all I know, the script might be brilliant, but that performance, above all other issues, is absolutely, astonishingly terrible.

[Himu]

What the heck is wrong with his performance?

[TVC15]

What the heck is wrong with his performance?

Keanu does better accents.  He sounds like a cartoon character!  Plus he is in Hammy pacino mode, which is always terrible.  Normal Pacino mode sometimes results in goodness.

EDIT:  HERE julimumu, since I have not seen Scarface in like 5 years, I will go and buy it now.

[Powerslave]

How would you know how a Cuban accent sounds like. Plenty of hispanics have already commented on how realistic Pacino's impression is, who are you to dismiss that.

[Himu]

What the heck is wrong with his performance?

Keanu does better accents.  He sounds like a cartoon character!  Plus he is in Hammy pacino mode, which is always terrible.  Normal Pacino mode sometimes results in goodness.

EDIT:  HERE julimumu, since I have not seen Scarface in like 5 years, I will go and buy it now.

FOR ME?

[Ichirou]

I enjoy Scarface for what it is, I'm hispanic, and in my expert opinion, Pacino's accent is fucking laughable.  Extremely cartoonish and fake-sounding.

[Powerslave]

Well ok then cabron.

[Van Cruncheon]

i am totally watching robocop now.

[Phoenix Dark]

TVC: While hammy Pacino can be painful, I thought he was great in Scarface. On the flip side I felt his performance in Heat was laughable; I recently bought the film and watched for the first time in ages yesterday. You can see the strut in his walk - everything is exaggerated and hyperbolic, and it doesn't mesh with the movie to me. Although I guess some would say that was the point lol - one of the differences between Pacino and De Niro's characters. But meh I don't buy that. De Niro out acts and out classes Pacino in that film, top to bottom

Himuro: Like I said, it's a 7/10 type film. I'm not bashing it, but it DOES feel like this cheap straight to DVD type movie. I wouldn't say that about Die Hard or even Commando. And I fucking HATE hearing black people praise it and declare Montana their role model. Do these people skip the last 5 minutes of the film or something?

[TVC15]

I enjoy Scarface for what it is, I'm hispanic, and in my expert opinion, Pacino's accent is fucking laughable.  Extremely cartoonish and fake-sounding.

Just got back from the store.

When I say Hammy Pacino, I mean the total package.  The accent is ridiculous, but combined with the ridiculous and, again, cartoony way the man carries himself, it's hard to even begin to take him seriously.  And it's not like this is the only movie Pacino acts like a ridiculous twat in.  Fuck, the last 25+ years have been dotted with terrible Pacino performances.  I think he must have gotten an undiagnosed brain tumor in the late 70s or something, because I fucking know the cunt can act well.

I predict my views will roughly align with PD.  I will give an honest response after I watch the movie; I will not rose tint it or shit tint it.

Pre-watching, in addition to the objectively bad Pacino performance, I found the movie tonally distinguished mentally-challenged.  You can have a fun campy gangster movie, sure, but you have to fucking go the distance.  In Scarface, I recall most everything being played straight--it seemed like Pacino was the only one in on the fun.  I can understand if Pacino was playing up the kitsch factor in an attempt to match classic gangster movies of the 30s and 40s, but that doesn't work so well when you're the only person in on the joke.

[TVC15]

Due to wasting money on SHIT, I felt the need to do some penance.  My haul:


Liked it so much that I PAID for it.


Yeah yeah it stars Hagrid but it is AWESOME.  I am on a british crime show kick.


Jewmumu owes me 20 bucks if I hate it!

[CajoleJuice]

I felt his performance in Heat was laughable; I recently bought the film and watched for the first time in ages yesterday. You can see the strut in his walk - everything is exaggerated and hyperbolic, and it doesn't mesh with the movie to me. Although I guess some would say that was the point lol - one of the differences between Pacino and De Niro's characters. But meh I don't buy that. De Niro out acts and out classes Pacino in that film, top to bottom

Well, I agree with this. Still love the movie, though.

[TVC15]

I think the white person equivalent for Scarface might be Wall Street/Glengarry Glen Ross.

Or, you know, Star Wars.

Uh oh, Mandark, you said something relevant that I missed. . .

OLIVER FUCKING STONE wrote Scarface (and Wall Street) and I am like the biggest Oliver Stone apologist on the internet.  There is a SIGNIFICANT CHANCE I might like the movie.  FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK. SHIT! FUCK MY CUNT! FUCK.

DOUBLE FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK. SHIT! FUCK MY CUNT! FUCK.  Giorgio Moroder did the soundtrack CUNTS FUCK.  Looks like I might be swallowing the Himumu load tonight

[CajoleJuice]

oh why'd you have to admit this TVC

this was fun

[Himu]

Himuro: Like I said, it's a 7/10 type film. I'm not bashing it, but it DOES feel like this cheap straight to DVD type movie. I wouldn't say that about Die Hard or even Commando. And I fucking HATE hearing black people praise it and declare Montana their role model. Do these people skip the last 5 minutes of the film or something?

No it doesn't feel like a cheap straight to dvd movie. YOu must be shitting me.

Black people consider him their role model for obvious reasons.

[Himu]

I think the white person equivalent for Scarface might be Wall Street/Glengarry Glen Ross.

Or, you know, Star Wars.

Uh oh, Mandark, you said something relevant that I missed. . .

OLIVER FUCKING STONE wrote Scarface (and Wall Street) and I am like the biggest Oliver Stone apologist on the internet.  There is a SIGNIFICANT CHANCE I might like the movie.  FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK. SHIT! FUCK MY CUNT! FUCK.

DOUBLE FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK. SHIT! FUCK MY CUNT! FUCK.  Giorgio Moroder did the soundtrack CUNTS FUCK.  Looks like I might be swallowing the Himumu load tonight

add me msn so we can chat!!! mudoon@hotmail.com

[Phoenix Dark]

I felt his performance in Heat was laughable; I recently bought the film and watched for the first time in ages yesterday. You can see the strut in his walk - everything is exaggerated and hyperbolic, and it doesn't mesh with the movie to me. Although I guess some would say that was the point lol - one of the differences between Pacino and De Niro's characters. But meh I don't buy that. De Niro out acts and out classes Pacino in that film, top to bottom

Well, I agree with this. Still love the movie, though.

The movie could have been a masterpiece but little things hold it back, and start building up. It's one of the few action/crime films I've seen with such a large emphasis on a multitude of character development and emotional stuff. I thought Pacino's wife tried her hardest to ruin the movie - she's that bad, and annoying. Why couldn't she get killed or something? In fact, nearly every woman in this movie sucks. Strike that - every woman in the film sucks. Portman, Judd, all of them. The writing in the emotional scenes, especially the women stuff, is just stupid.

On the other hand almost every action scene in the fucking film is perfect. IMO a lot of action films seem to treat guns like toys; they're big and loud, but seem more like toys than actual weapons that can kill people. In Heat I got the feeling that the actors were shooting real guns at each other. The sound wasn't the typical blam-blam-blam I used to make while playing with my GI JOES - it was fucking real, or at least it sounded real to me. Most of the male performances are also amazing. De Niro is amazing, and Bruce Wayne, Buffalo Bill, and Bubba also give good supportive performances

[TVC15]

I might have to bow out.  I can't let Himumu win here.  Who wants this brand new copy of Scarface?  I can't watch it.

Jesus, PD, Heat is worse than Scarface.  That turd is the most effective sleeping pill I've ever taken.  I find it easier to believe that people worship Scarface than that there are actual Michael Mann fanboys.  The mise en scene of his films feels as though it was born of a steam-powered machine in the 80s, and hasn't had it's piping upgraded since.

[Himu]

ADD ME TO MSN YOU FUCK

I HATE YOU

I would like a free copy of Scarface!

[Phoenix Dark]

nicca the first thing niccas buy with their paycheck is a copy of Scarface and a box of Magnum condoms. Stop being an Uncle Tom

[CajoleJuice]

I know you rather add me to MSN, TVC.  I just started to experience the greatness of it (through Pidgin) .

[Himu]

nicca the first thing niccas buy with their paycheck is a copy of Scarface and a box of Magnum condoms. Stop being an Uncle Tom

I have the old dvd. If he has the limited edition thing I want that. You're black and don't even love Scarface and you're calling the uncle tom.

[TVC15]

nicca the first thing niccas buy with their paycheck is a copy of Scarface and a box of Magnum condoms. Stop being an Uncle Tom

I lolled

[Himu]

SCARFACE!!! PLAYING VICE CITY RIGHT NOW OMG

[Mandark]

Oliver Stone!  The one-stop shop for all your aggressive, transgressive masculine wish fulfillment needs!

Disclaimer: I have not seen that much Oliver Stone.

[TVC15]

Oliver Stone!  The one-stop shop for all your aggressive, transgressive masculine wish fulfillment needs!

Disclaimer: I have not seen that much Oliver Stone.

He was addicted to coke when he made this   I like his drugged out movies

(He is apparently making a film based on The Fountainhead, so this will be the least of the tests of my STONE LUV)

[Himu]

[02:17] Keith: Fucking abandoning me!
[02:17] *** Auto-response sent to Keith: Everyone's gotta recharge their batteries, right? 
 
Snoozin
[02:18] Keith: It is only 11 in real non-Florida time.
[02:18] assburger syndrome: well how long is scarface
[02:18] assburger syndrome: isn't it like 2 1/2 hours?
[02:18] Keith: Jesus fuck it is
[02:18] Keith: WHAT THE FUCK
[02:18] assburger syndrome: lol
[02:19] Keith: You trapped me, you bitch!
[02:19] assburger syndrome: ahahah
[02:19] Keith: I can't turn it off until I finish it!
[02:19] assburger syndrome: you just started?
[02:19] Keith: ARG, it WILL be 2AM by the time it finishes!
[02:19] assburger syndrome: isn't tony's friend sexy?
[02:20] assburger syndrome: don't you have insomnia anyways?
[02:20] Keith: Fidel is pretty sexy
[02:20] Keith: Yeah, I do, but still a long movie is a long movie
[02:21] assburger syndrome: yeah, but everytime i watch i forget it's long
[02:21] Keith: Because you are HIGH when you watch it!
[02:21] assburger syndrome: hahaha

OWNED

[TVC15]

This score is REAAAAAALLLLLY Giorgio Moroder-y.  Like, I have no idea why De Palma thought "Cuban drug lord" and decided to hire Giorgio Moroder, but then again, I have no idea why he thought "Cuban drug lord" and casted one of the most italian looking actors out there.  What, Brian, was Stallone not available?

[Himu]

[02:25] Keith: You know what I think when I see Pacino trying to act Cuban?
[02:25] Keith: I say "Jesus he is so fucking Italian"
[02:26] assburger syndrome: it's been a while since i saw scarface but last time i watched i didn't notice the accent.
[02:26] assburger syndrome: i mean, hollywood movies are always full of cheap accents so i guess i didn't care
[02:28] Keith: Dude he does not look Cuban
[02:28] Keith: His nose is as big as my foot
[02:28] Keith: MAYBE he could pull off playing a Jewish drug lord, but not this
[02:29] assburger syndrome: I am imagining a jewish drug lord movie
[02:29] assburger syndrome: and i am laughing out loud so hard
[02:29] assburger syndrome: what if he had a role in Pi
[02:30] Keith: It's been a while since I saw Pi.  Aren't all the Jewish people in that learned scholarly types?
[02:30] Keith: No diss on Pachino, but I don't know if he could pull that off.
[02:31] assburger syndrome: what interesting roles has pacino even had recently
[02:31] assburger syndrome: oceans crapteen aside
[02:32] Keith: 2004      The Merchant of Venice      Shylock 
[02:32] Keith: So he has played an Evil Jew!

[brawndolicious]

Don't worry nintenho, no one here thinks you can comprehend more than that.

do you guys really not get how simple either movie is?  the godfather book was considered trash when it came out but then the movie was considered high art.

If important films can't have lowbrow text as their source material, there goes the entire Alfred Hitchcock oeuvre.

/touchdown

In reality, there is this one group of extremely cruel and vicious people that murder for money.  They are called the Mafia.  There is this one movie that shows these people as family men that murder for honor, it is called bullshit.  I did not know anything about the godfather story before I watched it so you can see why I would be disappointed.  It's just a trashy, pretentious story that tries to look "gritty" and falls on it's ass.  That's all very obvious.

nicca the first thing niccas buy with their paycheck is a copy of Scarface and a box of Magnum condoms. Stop being an Uncle Tom

Uncle Tom means a slave that would give his life to free other slaves.  It's meaning was distorted when some racists made a movie where they showed the "uncle tom" as a slave loyal to the white masters.

[TVC15]

Don't worry nintenho, no one here thinks you can comprehend more than that.

do you guys really not get how simple either movie is?  the godfather book was considered trash when it came out but then the movie was considered high art.

If important films can't have lowbrow text as their source material, there goes the entire Alfred Hitchcock oeuvre.

/touchdown

In reality, there is this one group of extremely cruel and vicious people that murder for money.  They are called the Mafia.  There is this one movie that shows these people as family men that murder for honor, it is called bullshit.  I did not know anything about the godfather story before I watched it so you can see why I would be disappointed.  It's just a trashy, pretentious story that tries to look "gritty" and falls on it's ass.  That's all very obvious.

Wait are you saying that the mafia as depicted by The Sopranos, The Godfather, and those terrible Gotti family reality shows isn't real in its depiction of honor?  These terrible and vicious men that put merit in family date back to the mid-19th century, and you can date them back to the Renaissance if you don't restrict yourself to one mafia with origins in Italy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Borgia

[TVC15]

Also. . .Scarface is kinda poorly shot.  I am guessing this is because it wasn't actually filmed in Florida, so they couldn't do many location-y shots.  It's like "Gee, there sure are a lot of CA license plates in Florida!"

I can see why people say it looks like a TV movie, but it does feel better in non-exterior shots.

[Phoenix Dark]

Don't worry nintenho, no one here thinks you can comprehend more than that.

do you guys really not get how simple either movie is?  the godfather book was considered trash when it came out but then the movie was considered high art.

If important films can't have lowbrow text as their source material, there goes the entire Alfred Hitchcock oeuvre.

/touchdown

In reality, there is this one group of extremely cruel and vicious people that murder for money.  They are called the Mafia.  There is this one movie that shows these people as family men that murder for honor, it is called bullshit.  I did not know anything about the godfather story before I watched it so you can see why I would be disappointed.  It's just a trashy, pretentious story that tries to look "gritty" and falls on it's ass.  That's all very obvious.

nicca the first thing niccas buy with their paycheck is a copy of Scarface and a box of Magnum condoms. Stop being an Uncle Tom

Uncle Tom means a slave that would give his life to free other slaves.  It's meaning was distorted when some racists made a movie where they showed the "uncle tom" as a slave loyal to the white masters.

No shit

You're a dumbass. Don't quote my posts

[TVC15]

Don't worry nintenho, no one here thinks you can comprehend more than that.

do you guys really not get how simple either movie is?  the godfather book was considered trash when it came out but then the movie was considered high art.

If important films can't have lowbrow text as their source material, there goes the entire Alfred Hitchcock oeuvre.

/touchdown

In reality, there is this one group of extremely cruel and vicious people that murder for money.  They are called the Mafia.  There is this one movie that shows these people as family men that murder for honor, it is called bullshit.  I did not know anything about the godfather story before I watched it so you can see why I would be disappointed.  It's just a trashy, pretentious story that tries to look "gritty" and falls on it's ass.  That's all very obvious.

nicca the first thing niccas buy with their paycheck is a copy of Scarface and a box of Magnum condoms. Stop being an Uncle Tom

Uncle Tom means a slave that would give his life to free other slaves.  It's meaning was distorted when some racists made a movie where they showed the "uncle tom" as a slave loyal to the white masters.

No shit

You're a dumbass. Don't quote my posts

Dumbass means an ass that is dumb.

[Ichirou]

By ass do you mean the animal or the body part

[Phoenix Dark]

 

[TVC15]

You know, Pacino's performance is still pretty hammy, terrible, and unsellable, but the movie has bigger problems.

I've been paying attention to the script, and so far it's kind of a mess.  It has some Stone trademarks, like the use of stock footage, usage of historical events to create fictions, the cheesy one liners, the relatively basic moral duality. . .it is definitely a Stone movie.   But what I am finding is that it is kind of reminiscent to another Stone mess. . .Natural Born Killers, namely in that both films have pacing issues (in the case of Scarface, that is as much the director's fault, but Stone had to have written it to be this long), and an extremely basic theme with enough muddling mixed in to make you think that he was trying to get at something deeper, but couldn't quite make it clear.  It doesn't feel nearly as disjointed as Natural Born Killers, but I sort of like that aspect of NBK.

So far, I'd say the two are about on par.  This is going to get dinged for being FUCKING LONG though.  170 minutes?  There are very very very very fucking few movies that need to be anywhere NEAR that long.