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The Proposition is pretty good
« on: January 24, 2008, 02:20:32 AM »
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Good movie, not great - but definitely worth checking out. It wasn't what I expected, which was a balls to the walls visceral western. While it is indeed violent and uncompromising, overall the film is rather subtle on every surface. Everything builds up, layers upon layers. Perhaps that's best displayed by the music, which starts rather atmospheric before expanding into this foreboding doom.

To me the film examined clashes in family and "civilization." After a vicious town murder that leaves a wife and unborn child dead, the local "sheriff" (played by the always awesome Ray Winstone) seeks to find the guilty party - a murderous group of brothers. After finding two members, he gives the second oldest member a proposition: if he finds and kills his older brother he'll be pardoned of his crime, if not his younger brother will die at the gallows. From here things really set off. Like many westerns there's a good deal of moral ambiguity to be found here, but there are clear lines between those who are "bad" and those who are "ugly"...so to speak.

What is man if he acts like an ape? - K-OS

Winstone's character Captain Stanley is caught in the middle of this struggle, and is charged with correcting it. He has been sent to Australia to "civilize" a certain town and protect it from the ingenious blackies that roam the deserts. Yet how can one civilize a group of people if you aren't civil yourself? Stanley's methods are savage at times, and he attempts to hide this from his ugly, high born British wife. Perhaps the harshness of his surroundings force Stanley to forfeit morality, perhaps he never was civilized to begin with - either way he doesn't want his wife exposed to these bleak circumstances.

For a western there's not a lot of action to be found here. Yet each action scene is rather visceral, culminating in the intense (albeit abrupt) ending.

I thought the film was pretty well written. The dialogue never drowns you in preachy overtones, and is instead rather subtle. My only complaint about it would be the pacing, which seemed rather uneven; the movie really drags at times, and feels longer than the 106 minute run time. Outside of that my only other complaint would have to do with some rather strange editing that seemed to jump back and forth a bit too fast. But overall it's pretty good. It's better than Unforgiven

I give this 8.0 panangas out of 10.1 panangas
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Re: The Proposition is pretty good
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2008, 02:23:54 AM »
Nick Cave >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clint Eastwood
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Re: The Proposition is pretty good
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2008, 02:26:12 AM »
The DVD box has this critic's quote along the lines of "it stands up there with Eastwood, Leone, etc." Eastwood yes, Leone no
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Re: The Proposition is pretty good
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2008, 02:33:01 AM »
Is it better than Unforgiven?
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Re: The Proposition is pretty good
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2008, 02:34:11 AM »
You didn't read the last paragraph!
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Re: The Proposition is pretty good
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2008, 02:48:21 AM »
You should use this as a jumping off point to start worshiping Nick.
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Re: The Proposition is pretty good
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2008, 02:53:07 AM »
I like Stagger Lee, I like Red Right Hand...that's all I've heard though. He's ugly as sin but his voice omg
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Re: The Proposition is pretty good
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2008, 02:56:29 AM »
I like Stagger Lee, I like Red Right Hand...that's all I've heard though. He's ugly as sin but his voice omg

Fuck you!



and now he looks like a character from a western



Also
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Re: The Proposition is pretty good
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2008, 03:41:57 AM »
Red Right Hand is in Dumb and Dumber :bow
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Re: The Proposition is pretty good
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2008, 03:43:57 AM »
TVC is such a slut - I can't believe he let PD slide for saying this movie is better than Unforgiven.
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« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2008, 03:47:05 AM »
Red Right Hand is in Dumb and Dumber :bow

And Hellboy.  And all three Scream movies.

Sorry, Willco, the Proposition is pretty awesome. 
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« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2008, 03:49:51 AM »
Red Right Hand is in Dumb and Dumber :bow

And Hellboy.  And all three Scream movies.

Sorry, Willco, the Proposition is pretty awesome. 

I think I only saw the first Scream movie. Maybe. Dumb and Dumber > those movies.
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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2008, 03:55:49 AM »
I like The Proposition, but saying it's better than Unforgiven?  A cinematic slap in the face.  I can never trust you now.
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« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2008, 03:56:14 AM »
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It has appeared in several films and TV shows, such as the 1994 comedy, Dumb and Dumber, The X-Files television series, whose producer Chris Carter explained in the liner notes for the compilation album Songs in the Key of X that the song was the direct inspiration for the anthology. It has also been used in all three films in the Scream trilogy. The original version is featured on the soundtrack album for the first film while a remixed version by DJ Spooky appears on the Scream 2 album. Another version, sometimes referred to as "Red Right Hand 2", was recorded by Nick Cave for Scream 3 and released on Cave's B-Sides & Rarities album; composer Marco Beltrami also incorporates elements from the song into a track in his score for the third film. The song also appears on the soundtrack for the film Hellboy in a cover version by Pete Yorn.

Song of Joy off of Murder Ballads is somewhat of a sequel song to Red Right Hand.  At one point it was titled Red Right Hand part 2.

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Also here is the video for Red Right Hand, what with it being his second most popular song and all.

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Re: The Proposition is pretty good
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2008, 08:56:19 AM »
i liked it


if you want a really draggy uneven western, watch Johnny Depp in Deadman.
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Re: The Proposition is pretty good
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2008, 09:12:27 AM »
I liked Dead Man.  I'm a Jarmusch whore.  I swear I read somewhere that Jarmusch ripped that movie off from someone, I wish I could remember who it was.
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Re: The Proposition is pretty good
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2008, 09:14:25 AM »
i enjoyed it, but it's draggy and uneven

totally didn't like lance henrickson at all in it, nor the indian character
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« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2008, 09:31:53 AM »
I thought Lance Henriksen was awesome.  I especially like the scene when he finds the dead U.S. Marshall and cracks his head like a melon.  Really fucking disturbing how the camera doesn't ever flinch away from it.  I'd never seen that before until I saw Irreversible and then The Sopranos finale.  It was so gross!

I liked Gary Farmer too.  I've liked his work ever since I saw him in Smoke Signals, and thought the interaction between him and Johnny Depp's character was really funny, especially the part where Johnny finds him bangin' the Indian chick.

The historical aspects seemed really well-realized too.  That scene at the start of the movie where the train passengers suddenly take out their rifles and start shooting buffalo that are grazing near the railway?  I remember reading history books and that scene is not out of Jarmusch's weird imagination, that stuff actually happened back then!
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Re: The Proposition is pretty good
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2008, 10:14:35 AM »
perhaps it's time for a rexamination

i rented it when it first came out and just remember being put off by those specifics



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Re: The Proposition is pretty good
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2008, 10:27:29 AM »
The thing is, Lance Henriksen's character seems like he came from another movie altogether.
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Re: The Proposition is pretty good
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2008, 10:37:47 AM »
yes.   a b-movie

though he does eat human flesh

nom nom nom
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Re: The Proposition is pretty good
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2008, 10:42:30 AM »
I was thinking spaghetti western, but I guess they're basically the same thing.  He's like a Lucio Fulci villain.
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Re: The Proposition is pretty good
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2008, 10:50:01 AM »
i haven't seen enough of them to comment

it may be intentional

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« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2008, 04:24:32 PM »
i liked it as well. definitely on of 2006's better movies. guy pierce :-*
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« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2008, 04:26:52 PM »
But nothing beats Tombstone!
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« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2008, 04:27:43 PM »
I need to see if this movie is on demand, maybe I'll rent it tonight while doing the dishes.  Or watch Aliens again!  :gun
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Re: The Proposition is pretty good
« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2008, 04:57:38 PM »
I thought this was about the prostitution movie.