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Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« on: February 04, 2008, 08:43:51 AM »
My father yelled at me and said I'm one of the worst interviewees he's seen in all his years as a manager, and that next weekend he's going to drag me through a series of training exercises. Jesus, fuck I'm scared.

You should have seen my ugly ass stutter, trip and sell myself short over and over again during an interview last Thursday. Plus I had tried to dress nicely but I don't think my Peanuts Christmas tie went over very well. I thought maybe it'd be funny and help break the ice but they never mentioned it. They probably laughed hysterically as they shreded resumes later.

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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2008, 08:53:03 AM »
hahaha "Peanuts christmas tie"

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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2008, 08:56:41 AM »
i'm horrible at selling myself so i hate the interview process because i have to switch from introversion to extroversion while also not appearing to be a social deviant



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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2008, 01:29:45 PM »
The only reason I got the job I have is because I sold myself really well.  On paper, I'm terribly underqualified for my job.

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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2008, 01:41:40 PM »
I am super awesome at interviews but terrible at getting jobs.  Don't have to worry about that shit anymore, tho.
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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2008, 01:42:21 PM »
I feel awful during interviews but I end up doing really well. I never did training for it tho. I am just honest and straight-forward. That is enough for most.
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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2008, 01:46:11 PM »
Peanuts Christmas tie? Seriously? I don't think it matters how you interview at that point. :-\
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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2008, 01:47:25 PM »
 :lol
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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2008, 06:35:39 PM »
oh god, the tie was a no-no. it just screams "hi i am delightfully patch adams kooky and/or i am compensating".

protips from a pro: first, if you are going for a tech job, dress in slacks and a nice button down shirt. no tie. focus entirely on being earnest but relaxed. don't worry about the questions; don't think about your image. deliberately sit back a little in the chair, look the interviewer in the eye, and let him or her drive the interview. answer questions honestly, and regularly -- but not repetitively -- communicate an earnest desire to work. do NOT worry if you are sounding smart or giving the best answers or about the body language of the interviewer. just focus on relaxing and being open. if you come in having accepted that you will be yourself and that you will accept the outcome, your interview will progress well. the best interviewers can sense when you have accepted your shortcomings by your body language and the phrasing of your responses, and we appreciate this.

never EVER try your hand at acting. as a regular interviewer for mid- to high-level tech positions, i get enraged when nerds play at acting. when i ask you to "tell me about a time when you were unmotivated to complete a task" do not lean forward, start blinking furiously, and say in an affronted tone I AM NEVER UNMOTIVATED!!! because i forget all the good stuff you said amidst my desire to black both your eyes. you should NEVER need to fake it. if you feel you have to act, then do not apply for the job until you have acquired the skills and/or confidence you need to be real where you were previously posing. that is all!
« Last Edit: February 04, 2008, 06:43:15 PM by Professor Prole »
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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2008, 06:39:18 PM »
I hate phone interviews, atleast with face to face interviews you can gauge how well you are doing. Also phone interviewers pause and they never give you a signal to shut up or expand further.  :maf
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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2008, 06:41:58 PM »
you should not focus on "how well you are doing" -- it will cripple your ability to process the larger situation. err on the side of caution: shut up early, and let the interviewer control the flow of the conversation.
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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2008, 06:52:14 PM »
Anytime you turn a negative question into a positive for yourself is stupid.  I hate when people say "i'm too much of a perfectionist" or "I'm too hard on my own work" as an answer to "what is your biggest failing?" THOSE AREN'T FAILINGs MOTHERFUCKER THEY'RE PLUSSES.  YOU'RE NOT PERFECT YOU JUST GRADUATED FROM COMMUNITY COLLEGE.

i can't believe how many people bomb these kinds of questions. it is not a referendum on your work ethic, gits! you are seated in front of me because i presume you have real-world work experience. you have screwed up; you have been unmotivated; you have been in conflicts; and you have fucking failed because WE ALL HAVE AT ONE TIME OR ANOTHER. (if you haven't, i do not wish to work with you because you have never worked at a real job in this industry or you are a complete fucking shut-in nerdlinger who has never worked in a team environment.) this question is a LEAD-IN to discuss HOW you deal with those situations. when you do the stupid positivistic thing, you kill my ability to have a rational discussion with you about your approach to working climate and environment, and let me see how you would integrate with the team ethos. this makes me very mad because you wasted an opportunity to really sell me JUST to either LIE TO ME or to take fuckin' contrived umbrage.
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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2008, 06:53:47 PM »
The only reason I got the job I have is because I sold myself really well.  On paper, I'm terribly underqualified for my job.

same here

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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2008, 06:55:59 PM »
oh god, the tie was a no-no. it just screams "hi i am delightfully patch adams kooky and/or i am compensating".

protips from a pro: first, if you are going for a tech job, dress in slacks and a nice button down shirt. no tie. focus entirely on being earnest but relaxed. don't worry about the questions; don't think about your image. deliberately sit back a little in the chair, look the interviewer in the eye, and let him or her drive the interview. answer questions honestly, and regularly -- but not repetitively -- communicate an earnest desire to work. do NOT worry if you are sounding smart or giving the best answers or about the body language of the interviewer. just focus on relaxing and being open. if you come in having accepted that you will be yourself and that you will accept the outcome, your interview will progress well. the best interviewers can sense when you have accepted your shortcomings by your body language and the phrasing of your responses, and we appreciate this.

never EVER try your hand at acting. as a regular interviewer for mid- to high-level tech positions, i get enraged when nerds play at acting. when i ask you to "tell me about a time when you were unmotivated to complete a task" do not lean forward, start blinking furiously, and say in an affronted tone I AM NEVER UNMOTIVATED!!! because i forget all the good stuff you said amidst my desire to black both your eyes. you should NEVER need to fake it. if you feel you have to act, then do not apply for the job until you have acquired the skills and/or confidence you need to be real where you were previously posing. that is all!

Plus an act can only go on for so long. Longer interviews with experienced interviewers will destroy any act and laugh as it pees on the act's corpse.
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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2008, 06:57:21 PM »
i should add that when people say "i'm too critical of myself" i will inevitably roll my eyes and say "give me a concrete example of this self-criticism and how it has improved your working style overall." this usually turns into some shallow bullshit circular discussion or a bunch of non-specific handwaving. same thing for "i'm a perfectionist" -- i ask for "a concrete example of one perfect thing you've created in a professional capacity" followed by "how long did it take".

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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2008, 06:58:25 PM »
you should not focus on "how well you are doing" -- it will cripple your ability to process the larger situation. err on the side of caution: shut up early, and let the interviewer control the flow of the conversation.
Lucky those phone interviews have only been for internships and not graduate positions.
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« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2008, 07:02:08 PM »
aaaaand don't swing the other way, either. when i ask you to tell me about the most spectacular failure in your career, don't tell me about the time you fucked the cio's secretary and got caught. seriously. have some examples of both accomplishments and failures ready before you go into the interview, and have a good, honest narrative of your career history. even if your previous jobs/experience aren't relevant, find ways to tie them to the current job -- you DO want the job for a reason, right? clearly you think that you have the experience and knowledge to do it, so i kinda expect you to have a narrative that dovetails your past experience and current knowledge into this potential new role. spend a couple hours the night before thinking about it and HAVE A CAREER NARRATIVE. it will save you ever so much pain.
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« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2008, 07:13:23 PM »
definitely. i expect an oversell from a nub candidate, and frankly, that's a GOOD thing IF you can convince me that you have the fundamental quality of character and work ethic to be a good performer. again, having some sort of career narrative makes it easier for BOTH of us. like maf said, even an incompetent interviewer can sense a lie, and a competent interviewer will use you for sport. you MUST MUST MUST be able to answer the most important question -- "why do you think that you're a good candidate for this job" -- in a clear, concise, and relevant fashion.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2008, 07:16:34 PM by Professor Prole »
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« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2008, 07:15:55 PM »
*takes notes*
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« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2008, 07:30:49 PM »
For the past 4 jobs I had, only one required an interview, and that interview was through E-mail as well (still kinda blows my mind, actually). Everything else was through connections.

Edit: I guess 2 of those jobs wouldn't really count since they were still within the same company, I suppose. :lol
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« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2008, 07:53:11 PM »
haha. since i have run the gamut from lameduck interviewee to awesome interviewee, and from incompetent interviewer to recognizedly competent one (seriously; i have Very Important Folks (tm) who ask me to participate in their hiring loops), i'll toss out my advice in handy enumerated form and in such a way that broader social skills beyond decent dress, a firm handshake, and the occasional look in the eye aren't necessary:

1. the day before the interview, review the job description and review your resume. seriously; sit down at a table with printouts of both and ask yourself a) "can i really do this job based solely on what i have commicated in my resume and what is stated in the job description" and b) "am i actually interested in this job or do i just need/want the money"

2. once you've answered both those questions with YES and I AM INTERESTED respectively, you should have two new questions in your mind. one is "what is this job REALLY about" and the other is "although i know i can do the job, how do i convince them that i can compensate for the deltas between what they want and what i can provide?" (if you don't have to ask the second question, rock on. the longer you are in any given biz, the quicker you see just how basic and silly most so-called "requirements" are.)

3. go about answering question one for yourself. read up on the role on the internet. the questions you have about the job that you can't resolve are now your new interview questions. write 'em on a piece of paper and put them in the cute little leather binder or notepad you'll bring. (you are gonna take notes, right? notes are not to look like you care; they're for you because if you bomb you'll want a relative fresh recollection of where things went south.) interviewers LOVE deep questions about the job, and not because they show you to be perceptive or interested -- although they do -- but because they fill time in a way that doesn't put the entire onus of sustained conversation on the interviewer.

4. you now have: 1) a good idea of what the job is about; 2) how you realistically might fit into the role; and 3) a mental assessment of your shotcomings. ask yourself one last question: "am i full of fucking shit? seriously, am i a good candidate for this job?" if you are not, write down why you might NOT get the job, put that in your notes, and go into the interview anyway. use this to remind yourself IMMEDIATELY BEFORE THE INTERVIEW of issues and questions that might cause you to look like a fuckwit. trust me; your chances are reduced when you answer a critical technical question with "i don't know," but they are not reduced even 1/10th as badly as when you try to blow smoke up the interviewer's ass. you do NOT know the weight placed on any individual question. remind yourself of what traps look like before you start walking. congratulations, btw; you have now prepared for an interview in a way a good 50+% of your competition has not.

5. the NARRATIVE. make a quick outline in your head or on paper of your career. remember ONE professional high point and ONE low point. repeat them to yourself in the words you would choose if you weren't under pressure. do not worry about their immediate applicability. remind yourself exactly WHY they were high and low points respectively. remember why you changed jobs (if you did), and then ask yourself why you REALLY changed jobs. here's the hard part: do not assign blame, either to others or to yourself. discuss the SITUATION, not the PERSONALITIES. in fact, that's just a good interview approach all around: discuss situations and scenarios (and their resolutions), not people and personalities.

6. the interview! bad interviewers ramble and are easily segued. do not mistake their bad style for naivete or idiocy, though. there's still (usually) an astute mind behind that awkward delivery. good interviewers are like stone walls. they are precise and interrogatory. in both cases, answer in an earnest, straightforward style.

7. BEHAVIORAL QUESTIONS (i.e. "tell me about how you suck"). you should now be somewhat mentally prepared to answer these by having examples ready. it's usually fine to recycle situations, especially if you are a nub. talk through WHAT HAPPENED. don't presume the follow-ups to any question; let the interviewer ask you first. be concise. your answers here can cause you to fail an interview faster than the following types of questions...

8. TECHNICAL QUESTIONS (i.e. "which ports do you open to enable a SIP proxy" or "reverse a zero-delimited Unicode string using three or less instructions"). this depends on your interviewer. even the nerdiest alpha-male interviewer doesn't weigh these very heavily, or at leat not individually. these are used to test for resume bullshit first and to amuse the interviewer second. you can safely bomb a couple of these unless the job is specifically "Webchat Client Firewall Administrator" or "Unicode String Test Engineer," respectively. the big trick is saying "i don't know." specifically, this does NOT mean saying "i don't know, but it sounds a lot like x, which is..." you would be amazed at how many times what you just described is nothing like x and how much you sound like you REALLY don't know what you're talking about. just say "i don't know," and, if you're cheeky, followup with "can you tell me more about it?" do note that if you say you know basic technologies like xml, shell scripting, or other general purpose technical skills, we WILL ask questions about them. be sure you know what these things actually ARE, 'kay?

9. INTELLECTUAL QUESTIONS (i.e. "why is a manhole cover round") these are crap, but people ask 'em anyway. just take a deep breath, try to clear your mind, take a stab at it, and do NOT be afraid to ask questions to stimulate the ol' noggin. again, these are bullshit and have a negative effect on folks who might be brilliant but can't calm the ol' nerves long enough to let their faculties kick in properly. still, you gotta try anyway. recognize test anxiety in yourself and try try TRY to find a technique to mitigate it. i hate asking these because i watch smart people freeze up and kill the momentum of an interview, but you gotta be prepared for them. sorry! blame the dipshit interviewer after the fact.

10. when the interviewer asks DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ask your prepared questions! also ask some hard questions of the interviewer like "how would you describe your management style" or "tell me about some regular conflicts that have happened on this team". turn our shit back on us! also ask for clarification on the role, and about day-to-day tasks on the job -- have them step you through a complete day (or week). if you do not have prepared questions, EPIC FAIL.

more later; gotta leave

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« Last Edit: October 07, 2008, 09:10:36 PM by Professor Prole »
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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2008, 07:55:29 PM »
Prole :bow :bow
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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2008, 08:04:06 PM »
:bow Prole

From my personal experience in job interviews, it's not really that hard.  You've just gotta be prepared and know your stuff.  For example, when I applied for an R.A. job at my university, I read some critical books on poetry and the Age of Johnson just to refresh my memory so I wouldn't make an ass out of myself in the interview.  When I had the interview for JET, I read a couple of books on English teaching in Japan and re-read The Elements of Style.  I also studied a bit about Puerto Rico's history so I could toss out some dates in case they asked me about the country's history (they did, since the JET position is about intercultural exchange).  Even if they DON'T ask you really specific questions, it really boosts your confidence to know you reviewed that information.

The question that most frustrates me in job interviews is, "what are your strengths and weaknesses?"  It's really hard to answer that honestly, because I think it's hard for a person to self-evaluate.
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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2008, 08:31:23 PM »
I've been to a few interviews and I never got offered a job so I'd imagine I am pretty awful too
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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2008, 09:58:47 PM »
I've got a job interview soon that I have to do over skype because its in a different city. I'll be able to have a beer beforehand to calm my nerves and they won't be able to smell my breath  :dur

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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #25 on: February 04, 2008, 10:01:09 PM »
I've got a job interview soon that I have to do over skype because its in a different city. I'll be able to have a beer beforehand to calm my nerves and they won't be able to smell my breath  :dur

You should do the interview in the nude, too. :-[
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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #26 on: February 04, 2008, 10:03:34 PM »
Drinky is addicted to pwning people wherever he goes.   :lol

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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #27 on: February 04, 2008, 10:05:44 PM »
i was a bad interviewer before i started managing, and even to this day, i have off days where i don't prep or am in such a laidback mood that i'll ramble. but when i'm on -- which is most interviews these days -- nukkaz drop like flies, and bitchez start runnin :punch :punch
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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #28 on: February 04, 2008, 10:07:37 PM »
Too bad Abrader hates MS so much.  I would love to see you give him an interview. 

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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2008, 10:17:59 PM »
Too bad Abrader hates MS so much.  I would love to see you give him an interview. 

omg I would pay to see that :lol
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« Reply #30 on: February 04, 2008, 11:09:23 PM »
BONUS! top five things that will cause me to cut the interview short just so me and the other interviewers can have a good chuckle at your expense right before we push the NO HIRE button (srsly, there's a button). these have ALL been said to me by people that have not and will not work for me.

#1) "so, when will you call me to let me know i have the job?" lol u! cocky! funny! UNEMPLOYED. really, don't even ask "when will you let me know about your decision?" i know this is very important to you. i get it. i feel it. i have been there, but i cannot have sympathy for you. there are 2 or more other people -- sometimes as many as 20 or so -- who i would likewise be forced to have sympathy for out of fairness. i will get back to you when i have processed you depending on my schedule and priorities. trying to woo me or guilt me into prioritizing you only makes me mad because i resent your lack of perspective. thank me for my time, and go stress in silence until you get the call -- like everyone else.

#2) "my 5 year career goals? i'd like to be YOUR boss!" oh ho ho ho ho. oh NO NO NO NO. gtfo. one thing i love about interviewing women is they never. EVER. pull this shit. i also had a dude that said in 5 years he'd be a corporate vp. i asked him what his career roadmap from mid-level tools dev to vp looked like, and how he planned to pursue it. he responded with an airy dismissal that he knew how to seize opportunity, and that he was all about action. opportunity DENIED, doofus. "cocky funny" may get you walleyed twenty-something club chicks; it does NOT get you a job.

#3) "i don't really know what i want...i just need the money." again, i'm a realist. ultimately, we're ALL here for the paycheck. however, if you can't figure out what you want from your career -- or even a half-assed excuse -- then again: gtfo. nobody wants to manage someone who phones it in while looking for life's answers. the world won't pay you to merely be observationally clever if there's no payout. the rest of us didn't get that luxury, and neither do you. you want this job or you don't, dirty hippie. if you can't bring enthusiasm and drive regardless of how you perceive this role amidst your broader personal aspirations, stay in your parents' basement.

#4) some variant on "i have no personal failings." why does this always come from archnerd uglies with bad hygiene? i also consider its opposite "i'm usually a total failure; please give me a chance" to be equally loathesome. self-pity is hardly an admirable character attribute, and in that same vein nobody wants to hire martyrs. you must be earnest; you must be upbeat; and you must have a well-honed sense of reality. passive-aggressive bullshit may get you pity sex from lonely netgurlz, but it doesn't get you hired. you nerds and your one-size-fits-all personal policies. argh!

#5) "<rambling technical tangent here>." don't fucking smokescreen me. if you can't tell from the dimming light in my eyes that you're way off track and deep into the ghetto of smartiesville population you, it's over. most jobs prefer a concise communicator who gets to a point. if i wanted to hear your treatise on ospf table optimization or cpu scheduling algorithms, I'D ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THAT FIRST. i understand your need to sell me on your know-how, but i have questions to do just that. most of this interview isn't about your technical chops. PAY ATTENTION. help me relate.
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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #31 on: February 04, 2008, 11:16:51 PM »
or you can gift the interviewer with this:

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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #32 on: February 04, 2008, 11:19:19 PM »
Give them the movie instead, the movie was really good.
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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #33 on: February 04, 2008, 11:29:42 PM »
:bow prole

I have had to do a lot of interviews over the past year. I've gone from knock-kneed neophyte to STEEL WARRIOR. And I can tell you, I'm a fucking good cop. I interview with people who don't just ask trick questions, they set up entire Jigsaw-esque traps of logical reasoning over the course of 5-10 minutes, silently watching how far deep the interviewee will dig themselves, before nonchalantly revealing: you walked into a trap, you brazenly triggered all the tripwires, and now, in the words of Coyote Smith:

YOU'RE FUCKED.

Also, while everything Prole says is true, the 10-cent summary is: people can be trained with skills. Skills can't be turned into decent people. You need to prove that you are a hard-working, rational, pleasant and charming individual first and a MySQL ninja second. The degree to which hiring is based on personal interoperability first and "qualifications" (lol) second is immense.
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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #34 on: February 04, 2008, 11:33:24 PM »
I want to hear more about these intricate traps.
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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #35 on: February 04, 2008, 11:38:35 PM »
I always do pretty good in interviews.  Rugged looks and sexual advances will get you far in the supermarket/meat department industry.

I would, however, crumble under the eye of someone like Prole in an interview.   :(
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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #36 on: February 04, 2008, 11:41:02 PM »
Hopefully they are the interview equivalent of Mousetrap the game.

Pretty much.

Like, our designer will ask a question about what a candidate thinks about game system X, should you use method A or method B?

And the answer is method A. But if they say method B, he'll ask all these ancillary questions asking them to scope out certain subsystems of method B, how would they account for this or that possibility of player state, what is the way that method B would interact with systems Y and Z, etc. etc. Then, like an unexpected guillotine blade, he will casually say something that demonstrates, in an indirect way, that the answer was actually method A.

And then he'll move on to the next question.
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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #37 on: February 04, 2008, 11:46:42 PM »
good ol' precision questioning. if you can't recognize the rope and how fast we're feeding it, you're as good as hung. that's a good point: if the interviewer keeps asking more and more specific questions, you probably failed the first or second in the chain. GET OUT NOW.
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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #38 on: February 04, 2008, 11:49:55 PM »
here's another good way to fail an interview

we interviewed somebody for a Production Assistant position

Interviewer: So, what's your greatest weakness?
Candidate: Well, I'm extremely disorganized and have very poor follow-through.
Interviewer: *mindboggled* I...see...
Candidate: Also, I'm kind of a dick.
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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #39 on: February 04, 2008, 11:51:18 PM »
that weakness is a bit more glaring in a production role. especially that of PA, i.e. "keep track of all the little niggly shit: the job"

I hate to go back to that Peanuts tie, but: overdressing is as bad, if not worse, than underdressing. Don't wear a suit and tie just cause your parents tell you to wear a suit and tie. Know the culture of the company you're interviewing at and dress accordingly--nice, but not creepy nice.

If everyone wears jeans and t-shirts and you show up in a tuxedo, you're not saying "I'm a classy dresser who takes this interview seriously," you're saying "I have no fucking idea who any of you people are or what this company does"
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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #40 on: February 05, 2008, 12:34:48 AM »
This level of shit sounds scary. Though I guess graduate jobs are often vague enough for the first few rounds of interviews.
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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #41 on: February 05, 2008, 12:47:12 AM »
oh, here's another popular trick question

Interviewer: I see that you are applying for position A. We also have position B open. If you could choose between these two positions, which one would you take?

INCREDIBLY WRONG ANSWER: Well, either job is just fine by me, sirs! I'll do whatever you want me to do! Whatever you tell me to do! I'm so eager to work at this company that I'll take any ol' job you throw at me, whether I'm qualified or not! I'm such a gosh-darned go-getter! :dur

OBVIOUS RIGHT ANSWER: While position B is interesting, I really feel that my strengths lie with position A. :-*
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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #42 on: February 05, 2008, 12:47:52 AM »
:lol
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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #43 on: February 05, 2008, 12:53:44 AM »
okay, thread over, here it is in a nutshell

Patel says (8:42 PM):
the real interview is
Patel says (8:42 PM):
"will you do your work and can we stand your stupid ass"

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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #44 on: February 05, 2008, 01:42:23 AM »
god damn. This is a awesome thread.

I feel so small.
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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #45 on: February 05, 2008, 02:07:03 AM »
Obviously I had different experiences interviewing the dregs of humanity for various retail positions (anywhere from seasonal grunt help all the way to manager trainees/fellow managers) but it really does go back to what Prole, Patel, et al have been saying:  are you a reasonably competent person that won't rock the boat too much?  If so, we can train you up to what our standards are as long as you're willing to apply yourself.  Gaudy resumes backed by shitty people are pretty much a bucketful of fail.  Whereas if you're only a little knowledgeable about the job but A) willing to apply yourself and actually DO the fucking job and B) not a cave dwelling troll beast that can't interact with people AT the job never mind customers, well then you're already halfway hired my friend.
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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #46 on: February 05, 2008, 04:01:07 AM »
Yeah I've never looked at it that way. I always asumed they'd be looking for someone who'd be able to hit the ground running and has a vast amount of realavant knowledge ready at a moments notice.

The tie thing is true unfortunatly. There is a standard tie I had planned to wear after my mom chastised me for planning not to wear one. Then I got it nice and dirty a half hour before hand. Which is when I reached for my one ad only other tie.

I should've just not worn one.
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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #47 on: February 05, 2008, 08:48:46 AM »
this thread is very helpful actually

more helpful than monster.com's bullshit
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Re: Anyone else horrendous at job interviews?
« Reply #48 on: February 05, 2008, 09:14:38 AM »
There's some excellent advice in this thread, much better than what I learned in that interview training class I took years ago...
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