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Eric P

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Italo Calvino Suggestions for a Noob?
« on: February 08, 2008, 12:00:06 AM »
Anyone familiar with this Italian author?  I came across his name from ...something today and a quick overview of his titles made it sound quite interesting.  does anyone have any experience with him and have any tips for getting started?
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Re: Italo Calvino Suggestions for a Noob?
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2008, 12:03:10 AM »
'If on a winter's night a traveller' is metafictional craziness. Highly recommended.

Also the collection of short fantasy stories with The Cloven Knight etc. is an easier introduction.

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Re: Italo Calvino Suggestions for a Noob?
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2008, 12:03:40 AM »
If on a Winter's Night a Traveler and Invisible Cities and Italian Folktales and Cosmicomics and  The Nonexistent Knight and The Cloven Viscount and The Castle of Crossed Destinies.  Calvino is generally pretty awesome.  I consider the first two there essential, and just continue if you like.  In my experience you can find something worthwhile in all his books.  If on a Winter's Night a Traveler is officially boner academy though.
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Re: Italo Calvino Suggestions for a Noob?
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2008, 12:05:00 AM »
I started with Invisible Cities and it was pretty easy. If On a Winter's Night is v. cool so far but requires a bit more paying attention.
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Re: Italo Calvino Suggestions for a Noob?
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2008, 12:05:12 AM »
haha - knew i should have wiki'ed the title first. TVC with the knowledge FTW
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Re: Italo Calvino Suggestions for a Noob?
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2008, 12:08:37 AM »
I started with Invisible Cities and it was pretty easy. If On a Winter's Night is v. cool so far but requires a bit more paying attention.

I think you benefit from reading If on a Winter's Night in as few sittings as possible.  The first time I read it, I read it in like a day and a half.  I still go back and read the individual chapters.  Around an Empty Grave makes me fill my pants.
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Re: Italo Calvino Suggestions for a Noob?
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2008, 12:11:48 AM »
ok, thanks

they had the The Nonexistent Knight and The Cloven Viscount at my B&N so i'll snag that. 

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Re: Italo Calvino Suggestions for a Noob?
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2008, 12:15:00 AM »
i can't believe i've never heard of this guy until today

http://www.italo-calvino.com/ifon.htm

You are about to begin reading Italo Calvino's new novel, If on a winter's night a traveler. Relax. Concentrate. Dispel every other thought. Let the world around you fade. Best to close the door; the TV is always on in the next room. Tell the others right away, "No, I don't want to watch TV!" Raise your voice--they won't hear you otherwise--"I'm reading! I don't want to be disturbed!" Maybe they haven't heard you, with all that racket; speak louder, yell; "I'm beginning to read Italo Calvino's new novel!" Or if you prefer, don't say anything; just hope they'll leave you alone.

Find the most comfortable position: seated, stretched out, curled up, or lying flat. Flat on your back, on your side, on your stomach. In an easy chair, on the sofa, in the rocker, the deck chair, on the hassock. In the hammock, if you have a hammock. On top of your bed, of course, or in the bed. You can even stand on your hands, head down, in the yoga position. With the book upside down, naturally.

Of course, the ideal position for reading is something you can never find. In the old days they used to read standing up, at a lectern. People were accustomed to standing on their feet, without moving. They rested like that when they were tired of horseback riding. Nobody ever thought of reading on horseback; and yet now, the idea of sitting in the saddle, the book propped against the horse's mane, or maybe tied to the horse's ear with a special harness, seems attractive to you. With your feet in the stirrups, you should feel quite comfortable for reading; having your feet up is the first condition for enjoying a read.

Well, what are you waiting for? Stretch your legs, go ahead and put yuour feet on a cushion, or two cushions, on the arms of the sofa, on the wings of the chair, on the coffee table, on the desk, on the piano, on the globe. Take your shoes off first. If you want to, put your feet up; if not, put them back. Now don't stand there with your shoes in one hand and the book in the other.

Adjust the light so you won't strain your eyes. Do it now, because once you're absorbed in reading there will be no budging you. Make sure the page isn't in shadow, a clotting of black letters on a gray background, uniform as a pack of mice; but be careful that the light cast on it isn't too strong, doesn't glare on the cruel white of the paper gnawing at the shadows of the letters as in a southern noonday. Try to foresee now everything that might make you interrupt your reading. Cigarettes within reach, if you smoke, and the ashtray. Anything else? Do you have to pee? All right, you know best.

It's not that you expect anything in particular from this particular book. You're the sort of person who, on principle, no longer expects anything of anything. There are plenty, younger than you or less young, who live in the expectation of extraordinary experiences: from books, from people, from journeys, from events, from what tomorrow has in store. But not you. You know that the best you can expect is to avoid the worst. This is the conclusion you have reached, in your personal life and also in general matters, even international affairs. What about books? Well, precisely because you have denied it in every other field, you believe you may still grant yourself legitimately this youthful pleasure of expectation in a carefully circumscribed area like the field of books, where you can be lucky or unlucky, but the risk of disappointment isn't serious.

So, then, you noticed in a newspaper that If on a winter's night a traveler had appeared, the new book by Italo Calvino, who hadn't published for several years. You went to the bookshop and bought the volume. Good for you.

In the shop window you have promptly identified the cover with the title you were looking for. Following this visual trail, you have forced your way through the shop past the thick barricade of Books You Haven't Read, which were frowning at you from the tables and shelves, trying to cow you. But you know you must never allow yourself to be awed, that among them there extend for acres and acres the Books You Needn't Read, the Books Made For Purposes Other Than Reading, Books Read Even Before You Open Them Since They Belong To The Category Of Books Read Before Being Written. And thus you pass the outer girdle of ramparts, but then you are attacked by the infantry of the Books That If You Had More Than One Life You Would Certainly Also Read But Unfortunately Your Days Are Numbered. With a rapid maneuver you bypass them and move into the phalanxes of the Books You Mean To Read But There Are Others You Must Read First, the Books Too Expensive Now And You'll Wait Till They're Remaindered, the Books ditto When They Come Out In Paperback, Books You Can Borrow From Somebody, Books That Everybody's Read So It's As If You Had Read Them, Too. Eluding these assaults, you come up beneath the towers of the fortress, where other troops are holding out:

the Books You've Been Planning Top Read For Ages,

the Books You've Been Hunting For Years Without Success,

the Books Dealing With Something You're Working On At The Moment,

the Books You Want To Own So They'll Be Handy Just In Case,

the Books You Could Put Aside Maybe To Read This Summer,

the Books You Need To Go With Other Books On Your Shelves,

the Books That Fill You With Sudden, Inexplicable Curiosity, Not Easily Justified,
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Re: Italo Calvino Suggestions for a Noob?
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2008, 12:16:30 AM »
I really really love that book.  He reminds me of Borges a bit in the way he plays with the reader.
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Re: Italo Calvino Suggestions for a Noob?
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2008, 12:17:06 AM »
if it makes you feel better I never knew anything he did outside of Invisible Cities until last year

which is crazy given how much I love Borges and PKD
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Re: Italo Calvino Suggestions for a Noob?
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2008, 12:17:09 AM »
I really really love that book.  He reminds me of Borges a bit in the way he plays with the reader.

the reference was in relation to Borges, so that totally blew me away as well.

stupid books.

there are far too many of them
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Re: Italo Calvino Suggestions for a Noob?
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2008, 12:20:22 AM »
also, the same dude that does the english translations for the Calvino stuff does the translations for Umberto Eco's stuff.
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Re: Italo Calvino Suggestions for a Noob?
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2008, 12:20:50 AM »
I don't think you can wrong with Calvino, but the first two TVC mentioned are the ones you should read first to get the best sense of what he is all about.  The collection of folktales he compiled is absolutely stunning, and a must have for any library.

Damn, that collection is in my pile of shame. Been on the bookshelf for about a year, waiting for a rainy day. ok, got to read it now.
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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2008, 12:22:43 AM »
also, the same dude that does the english translations for the Calvino stuff does the translations for Umberto Eco's stuff.

did you check out Q when it was published?

it's pretty bad ass (speaking of interesting italian authors)
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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2008, 12:24:24 AM »
No, I haven't.  Worth checking out?
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« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2008, 08:32:43 AM »
No, I haven't.  Worth checking out?

it's written by a rather interesting collective of italian writers who work anonymously in concert to produce interesting novels

Q, on the surface,  is about the rise of the baptists/anabaptist (the real ones, not the crazy southerners), and ferreting out a papist who is responsible for the death and massacre of their city.  it's told through the trappings of an adventure novel, but many people have interpreted it as about political strife and radicalism in general but specifically in the 60s in europe.

the group "luthor bisset" is absolutely mad in a grand way.  they dropped that name and now call themselves Wu Ming, which means "no name." and they do some very interesting work, all of which you may read for free here

http://www.wumingfoundation.com/italiano/downloads.shtml

Sadly, a lot of it is in italian because i think you'd love stuff like Havana Glam

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2045. The President of the USA authorizes time travel to change the history of the 20th Century and avoid America's decline as a superpower. Something goes slightly wrong. Cuba, 1972. Two agents of the Cuban intelligence investigate presumed connections between the CIA and the Marcianos, glam-rockers influenced by David Bowie. In this time continuum, Bowie has no "Berlin period": he has a "Caribbean period" and makes pro-Castro statements that make mischief among the leaders of the Communist Party.

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