Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"

[demi]

I hope you were playing Double Agent, cause that was garbage

The only acceptable Splinter Cells are the original, and Chaos Theory

Much like how the only acceptable Metal Gears are Twin Snakes, and Ghost Babel (GBC)

[drohne]

i love ninja gaiden -- and i guess my sensibilities were too crude for dmc, cos i didn't like it at first. dmc3 fucks ninja gaiden in the ass, however. and dmc4's combat is even better than dmc3's, though it has problems elsewhere

forza has no real reason to exist. it's purely an artifact of competing console standards. that there are so many people who vehemently prefer it to gran turismo is one of those game forum miracles of mind over matter

[tiesto]

xbots are congenitally incapable of appreciating playstation franchises until some thoughtful developer has produced a clone for their cruder sensibilities

splinter cell
forza
ninja gaiden
lost odyssey
saint's row
etc

they do like good games, they just like them at second hand

Well, Forza and LO definitely outdo the originals, at least... Splinter Cell = ugh.

[y2kev]

I hope you were playing Double Agent, cause that was garbage

The only acceptable Splinter Cells are the original, and Chaos Theory

The only acceptable SC is Chaos Theory.

Much like how the only acceptable Metal Gears are Twin Snakes, and Ghost Babel (GBC)

Dyack trash

Ghost Babel was great though.

[Van Cruncheon]

Fuck Saints Row

i thought you were white :'(

[demi]

I hope you were playing Double Agent, cause that was garbage

The only acceptable Splinter Cells are the original, and Chaos Theory

The only acceptable SC is Chaos Theory.

Much like how the only acceptable Metal Gears are Twin Snakes, and Ghost Babel (GBC)

Dyack trash

Ghost Babel was great though.

Dude. If MGS2 can have homosexual vampires, presidents grabbing balls, and dudes running naked, then Twin Snakes is a masterpiece. Be real now.

[Himu]

twin snakes is garbage

[Rman]

I hope you were playing Double Agent, cause that was garbage

The only acceptable Splinter Cells are the original, and Chaos Theory

The only acceptable SC is Chaos Theory.

Much like how the only acceptable Metal Gears are Twin Snakes, and Ghost Babel (GBC)

Dyack trash

Ghost Babel was great though.

Dude. If MGS2 can have homosexual vampires, presidents grabbing balls, and dudes running naked, then Twin Snakes is a masterpiece. Be real now.

Vamp is actually bi, demi 

[Himu]

MGS2's villians were lame

FORTUNE: THE BITCH WHO WON'T DIE
FATMAN: THE DUDE WHO'S FAT
VAMP: A HOMOSEXUAL VAMPIRE
REVOLVER OCELOT: NOW WITH LIQUID SNAKE HAND

the best new character in mgs2 was fucking olga.

[Rman]

Yes, compared to MGS1 rogue's gallery MGS2 was pathetic.

Liquid Snake--the nicca who never dies

[Phoenix Dark]

I'll wait for the 360 version. Having more disks makes me feel like I got a great deal

[Himu]

MGS3's villians sucked too. I mean, THE END, THE FURY;etc. were just boring. Thankfully The Joy and volgin OWNED

KUWABARA KUWABARA

RAIDENOVICH

[Smooth Groove]

MGS has never had CG. So space is not a CG problem.

MGS does have some videoclips though, like Drohne mentioned a few days ago.  But those shouldn't take that much space unless Kojima decides to put in 2 hrs of 1080P video, which would make the game shit imo.  

[y2kev]

MGS3's boss battles rocked so hard.

But I think MGS2's were good too....the Vamp battle was awesome

Plus he's fucking PHIL LAMARR

[Himu]

the end's boss fight was the most epic boss fight i ever experienced.

i'm talking about character wise not battle wise! MGS boss battles have always been consistent and 10000 x awesome

[Himu]

who else is up for MGS1-3 speed run before MGS4 i will even take  a week off from gta4 to do it

[Smooth Groove]

MGS is one of my favorite all-time series but its stealth elements are garbage compared to Splinter Cell.  For a series that's built around stealth, it's pretty sad that stealth is broken in every MGS game because of the shitty cameras and controls that aren't made for stealth gameplay.  

[drohne]

who else is up for MGS1-3 speed run before MGS4 i will even take  a week off from gta4 to do it

hell yeah. i was going to do this last year, but got sidetracked halfway through mgs2. i actually haven't played portable ops yet, so i'm looking forward to that

[y2kev]

imo mgs3's stealth elements are fine. MGS3 has the same camera SC has, so I dunno what you're talking about.

It doesn't break any rules every other stealth series doesn't break (excepting MAYBE thief 1 and 2) and CQC really puts it in a very good place for taking people out.

Compared to SC's "sneak up to a guy and wait for the dialog box to change and pray" mechanic? posta please.

[Rman]

Let's do it for the collection that's coming out.  I sold my trilogy.  I'll rebuy the collection.  It's already pre-ordered.

[Himu]

MGS is one of my favorite all-time series but its stealth elements are garbage compared to Splinter Cell.  For a series that's built around stealth, it's pretty sad that stealth is broken in every MGS game because of the shitty cameras and controls that aren't made for stealth gameplay. 

MGS3 kicks splinter cell's ass in terms of stealth

MGS1 and 2 too

[Himu]

I haven't played Portable Ops either. I want to play it before MGS4. What is Portable Ops +? Is it the original game with extras?

[y2kev]

I think PO+ might just be the multiplayer stuff. PO was a good game I thought but it had a lot of problems. The 3d camera was nightmareish at times and the game was broken up into individual levels....which really breaks the stealth (QUICKLY RUN TO THE RED SQUARE BEFORE ANYONE SEES YOU).

But the story makes it worth it imo...

I kind of wonder if Konami will do another, the first one sold very well.

[Himu]

MGS with individual levels?

[TVC15]

I really wanted to like Portable Ops, but the controls were asking too much of the PSP.

I'm not sure how much I'm anticipating the new MGS.  I'm not going to let myself get hyped.  I only ever play the games for the stories, since in the last two major games, the gameplay was kind of broken (note:  I haven't played Subsistence, which has a camera that might potentially make it not broken/as broken).

I'm sure I'll get it, play it, and enjoy it, but I'm not going to follow the media at all.

[demi]

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After more Stranglehold achievements :'(

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lawl lawl

[Himu]

i haven't followed mgs4's media.

I've been on media blackout.

[Smooth Groove]

who else is up for MGS1-3 speed run before MGS4 i will even take  a week off from gta4 to do it

hell yeah. i was going to do this last year, but got sidetracked halfway through mgs2. i actually haven't played portable ops yet, so i'm looking forward to that

MGS:PO was the only MGS game that I've never beaten.  The combination of clunky PSP controls and terrible camera angles (even by MGS standards) killed any fun for me.  Switching between teammates was fun at the beginning but it gets tedious after awhile.  The story is surprisingly enjoyable though, if you can look past the problems.  

imo mgs3's stealth elements are fine

It doesn't break any rules every other stealth series doesn't break (excepting MAYBE thief 1 and 2) and CQC really puts it in a very good place for taking people out.

Compared to SC's "sneak up to a guy and wait for the dialog box to change and pray" mechanic? posta please.

At least, I can see where the fuck I'm supposed to go in SC.  The stealth elements in the original MGS3 were even worse than MGS2 because of the more primitive radars and the camera is as bad as always.  How the fuck can you sneak around someone if you can't even see where he is?  Of course, you can keep switching to 1st person view but that is just tedious as fuck.  Stealth only works in MGS if you've either memorized the enemy movements or if you have the patience of a turtle.  The only fun way to play MGS is to play it Rambo style.  

[y2kev]

It's the same camera in MGS3S. Which is basically Kojima admitting he was wrong. You win the point. He fixed it.

[Himu]

How the fuck can you sneak around someone if you can't even see where he is?

Uhhh...

[Mupepe]

that there are so many people who vehemently prefer it to gran turismo is one of those game forum miracles of mind over matter

you're on crack regarding this one drohne. 

[Smooth Groove]

It's the same camera in MGS3S. Which is basically Kojima admitting he was wrong. You win the point. He fixed it.

Too bad he didn't do it right the first time.  The 2nd time playing a MGS game is never as fun.  

[y2kev]

that there are so many people who vehemently prefer it to gran turismo is one of those game forum miracles of mind over matter

you're on crack regarding this one drohne. 

I gotta agree here. Forza 2 is just a better package overall than any official numbered release Polyphony has put out to this point. But GT5 looks really promising to me (despite constant trolling by interweb trolls )

Forza 2 was so wow to me...loved the online stuff, liveries, tinkering with stuff, the auction house...so great.

It's the same camera in MGS3S. Which is basically Kojima admitting he was wrong. You win the point. He fixed it.

Too bad he didn't do it right the first time.  The 2nd time playing a MGS game is never as fun. 

Disagree!

To prove his AWESOMENESS, he went RE4 camera for MGS4 if you want it. So you can have any view you want!

[Himu]

mgs3's biggest problem is that it is too long

i spent 30 hours with mgs3 the first time

it usually takes me 15 hours to beat an mgs

i mean it was the best mgs experience to me by far but its length makes it the least replayable.

[TVC15]

You don't know how to play games.  I am pretty sure MGS3 was the shortest one for me.

[y2kev]

MGS3 is the longest one for sure...it also has the fewest cutscenes (and almost no codec conversations).

[TVC15]

I coulda sworn I had like 13 hours for that one, and 20ish for the other two games.

[y2kev]

I coulda sworn I had like 13 hours for that one, and 20ish for the other two games.

I think I am generally 8 - 10 - 14 for the series.

I can finish MGS2 really quickly if I skip a lot of the scenes though. My last playthrough was under 6 hours.

[TVC15]

Eh, yeah, I guess you are probably right if we eliminate cut scene time.

[Smooth Groove]

that there are so many people who vehemently prefer it to gran turismo is one of those game forum miracles of mind over matter

you're on crack regarding this one drohne. 

I gotta agree here. Forza 2 is just a better package overall than any official numbered release Polyphony has put out to this point. But GT5 looks really promising to me (despite constant trolling by interweb trolls )

Forza 2 was so wow to me...loved the online stuff, liveries, tinkering with stuff, the auction house...so great.

I could see why some would pick Forza over GT since both series are so similar.  

I don't know why people would the do the same with SC/MGS or NG/DMC.  

Other than belonging to the same genre, Gaiden and DMC share little similarities.  NG focuses on defense and counterattacking while DMC is all about jumping around and juggling enemies in the end.  

Disagree!

To prove his AWESOMENESS, he went RE4 camera for MGS4 if you want it. So you can have any view you want!

For me, there's no reason to play a MGS game again once I've beaten it.  I've already seen the cutscenes and figured out how to beat each boss, which are the funnest parts.  The flaws with the core gameplay annoy me enough that I don't really want to play any MGS game a 2nd time.  

[y2kev]

ng2 focuses on offense though

i guess it's already obsolete :'(

[Himu]

You don't know how to play games.  I am pretty sure MGS3 was the shortest one for me.

nope. it terms of things to do mgs3 has the most. Getting the frogs, and all of that can be time consuming. Even more so if you're like me and bothered to hold up all bosses as well as tranq them so you can get their shit. And then there's tons of things to find like camos, weapons, and items (lots of people miss the croc hat for example). I'll admit I left my game on for a bit, so it was probably 25 hours in the end, but MGS3 is definitely the longest MGS because of the amount of gameplay variety and stuff it has at its disposal

[TVC15]

I only care about playing for the story.  What's the point of doing the boss shit and all?

[Smooth Groove]

ng2 focuses on offense though

i guess it's already obsolete :'(

I don't know about that.  The guy playing in the NG2 videos is an expert.  I doubt most people will be playing at that level.  

Just adjusting to the speed of NG2 is going to take awhile.  From what I played of the DMC4 demo, it was a pretty fast game yet it seems to be running in slow-mo compared to NG2.  

[drew]

ng2 focuses on offense though

i guess it's already obsolete :'(

I don't know about that.  The guy playing in the NG2 videos is an expert.  I doubt most people will be playing at that level. 

 

The guy playing the GDC vids was a total newb.  If that was an expert then I am a god.

[calcifer]

7.1 lossless audio 

Things most people won't use

must really suck being poor

[demi]

7.1 lossless audio 

Things most people won't use

must really suck being poor

hey woah, crossing personal territory, ease it up beep beep

[Smooth Groove]

Most of the people at GAF that make a big deal about lossless audio are filthy poors by audiophile standards.   The equipment that they use are simply laughable for guys that gripe so much about sound quality.  High end amp/preamp and speakers with regular 5.1 DD will own the fuck out of their budget HDMI receivers and 7.1 speakers that cost less than $2000 total.

ng2 focuses on offense though

i guess it's already obsolete :'(

I don't know about that.  The guy playing in the NG2 videos is an expert.  I doubt most people will be playing at that level.  

 

The guy playing the GDC vids was a total newb.  If that was an expert then I am a god.

WTF?  It must have been Ninja Dog mode or something.    Otherwise, NG2 seems to have gotten even easier than DMC4.  

[Himu]

I only care about playing for the story.  What's the point of doing the boss shit and all?

if you hold the end up three times you get his camo, which is one of the best camos in the game. if you tranquilize the bosses instead of going all out (hitting them with physical attacks counts as tranq iirc) you get their camo. If you tranq The End you get his sniper rifle which is a tranquilizer sniper rifle, which makes tranqing bosses easier. Also there's no alerts playthrough which nets you stealth as well a no kills playthrough which nets you even more extra shit.

[drohne]

mgs3 gives you a lot of freedom to play it in different ways. you can bull through using cqc when you're spotted, on another level of involvement you can sneak through mainly using guns or tranq darts -- but it's really satisfying when you try to stealthily dispatch enemies up close. that's how i play every mgs game, but mgs3's complex areas and lack of radar make that approach particularly compelling. i think it took me 30 hours my first time through. i'm actually more of an mgs3 fan than a fan of the series as a whole, but i've retconned my ambivalence about the first two games

ninja gaiden is team ninja's love letter to capcom action games -- it's funny to watch itagaki and the sigma guy try to ward off that obvious debt. itagaki has actually started to feign ignorance of dmc. at high levels dmc is about using offense as defense rather than combo madness for its own sake -- it's about how you move within combos to throw off enemy attacks, and it's just about the best thing in videogames. team ninja are probably too arrogant to learn from it at this point, but ninja gaiden 2 should be awesome in its own right

[Smooth Groove]

I try to sneak around in the first 2 hrs of every MGS game but then I lose my patience and just Rambo it for the rest of the way. 

[Himu]

I have a lot of patience.

I really didn't mind sitting in grass for 1-2 full minutes monitoring guard patterns.

Another MGS3 problem: the alert takes too damn long to subside.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I will go on a Triology Vision Quest with you

[Smooth Groove]

ninja gaiden is team ninja's love letter to capcom action games -- it's funny to watch itagaki and the sigma guy try to ward off that obvious debt. itagaki has actually started to feign ignorance of dmc. at high levels dmc is about using offense as defense rather than combo madness for its own sake -- it's about how you move within combos to throw off enemy attacks, and it's just about the best thing in videogames. team ninja are probably too arrogant to learn from it at this point, but ninja gaiden 2 should be awesome in its own right

DMC revolves around juggling enemies in the air and keeping Dante in the air as long as possible.  OTOH, NG has a big emphasis on doing ground combos.  The combat in both games are so different that I just don't see how Gaiden can be viewed as a clone of DMC.  It's like saying Resistance is a Halo clone simply because it's a shooter with Aliens as enemies. 

Personally, I'm glad that the next Gaiden isn't going to imitate DMC's offense as defense philosophy.  The defensive gameplay in Gaiden is one of the main reasons why its swordplay is more palpable than most games. 

[AdmiralViscen]

I was somehow hyped for MGS2 from the demo or something, despite its goofy controls. So I bought that shit. I forced myself through it, witnessing a man talking to his own hand and a queer ass vampire, before giving up when I had to defuse 3 bombs in three identical areas or some shit.


SC sucks too, I borrowed the original off a friend and had it back in the case before I got through the tutorial area with the broken glass on the floor.

[drohne]

the izuna drop is a canned version of dmc's air combos, and after the flying swallow, it's the game's most abusable move. there are other weapons that emphasize ground combos, but that's the case with dmc's gauntlet weapons as well. the thing about ninja gaiden is that it doesn't just borrow dmc and onimusha's combat conventions -- it borrows their structure, with the archaic 'puzzles' and backtracking they inherited from resident evil. borrowing good ideas is defensible; borrowing bad ideas is damning. they were so in love with capcom's games that they couldn't look at them critically. even the user interface is dmc's.

i hope ninja gaiden 2 will move away from that stuff -- sigma started to trim it back. wouldn't be the first instance of capcom's lazy sequelizing allowing another developer to run away with their ideas

resistance has got a crush on halo, btw

[AdmiralViscen]

Syphon Filter > MGS > Splinter Cell

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xfag total? drohnes post was way off on that list of games

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If I like SF would I like MGS3 more than MGS2?

[MCD]

the backtracking in NG1 was done much better than DMC4, shit was overkill in DMC4.

and itagaki already said NG2 is trimming on the puzzles and backtracking, it will be straight forward from one level to another unless things changed when he said that.

[brawndolicious]

how is this a fuck you if we're not buying MGS4 anyway? 

Amen.

seriously, I only buy games that I play longer than the total time of the cutscenes.  don't get what there is at all that hyped people for this series.  it held BACK videogames imo. kojima even said video games can never be art and here he is spending millions on the start screen or some shit...I'm guessing all it's fans just feel a stupid obligation to support every high-budget jappy wacky game there is.  even though the gameplay's so horrible, it kind of makes up for it by having more movies than gameplay.

[Kyle]

MGS4 the ultimate next-gen game, 360 can not handle ultimate next-gen games.