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Re: Kojima gives Evilbore a collective "Fuck You"
« Reply #120 on: March 04, 2008, 05:12:10 AM »
ninja gaiden is team ninja's love letter to capcom action games -- it's funny to watch itagaki and the sigma guy try to ward off that obvious debt. itagaki has actually started to feign ignorance of dmc. at high levels dmc is about using offense as defense rather than combo madness for its own sake -- it's about how you move within combos to throw off enemy attacks, and it's just about the best thing in videogames. team ninja are probably too arrogant to learn from it at this point, but ninja gaiden 2 should be awesome in its own right

This is bullshit.  The DMC series wasn't even on the same plane as NG until DMC3, which was a post-NG release.  DMC may have invented the fancy fightin' genre, but NG was the one that brought it to the next level. Pre-NG, the DMC games were much slower-paced, and easier when they weren't reliant on cheapness.

Really, drohne, between your earlier list (which equated Splinter Cell and MGS?!?!?!?!?) and this, your Sony slip is showing.  You're smarter than being an obvious console fanboy.  I know this forum leans to the X more than most, but please don't talk nonsense.
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« Reply #121 on: March 04, 2008, 05:35:03 AM »
that list was weird...

saint's row and gta? i don't think xbots like SR because it's on the 360, they like it BECAUSE IT'S SUPERIOR, or so they say and both games are multi now. (SR would have launched on PS3 if it was out, just like Condemned)

FF and Lost Odyssey? dude, Sakaguchi created both.

and as for splinter cell, don't know much about it other than everyone say that chaos theory is the best one so far.

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« Reply #122 on: March 04, 2008, 05:37:34 AM »
that first post was pure trolling. it was aimed at the people who like those games and disparage their precursors, not the games themselves. who knew it would spark discussion

ninja gaiden was absolutely better than dmc1, and i doubt i would've reinvestigated the dmc series if i hadn't liked it so much. and for a general audience looking for something besides a sophisticated combat system to dig into, it's arguably better than 3 and certainly better than 4. but

a. that doesn't expunge ng's debts to dmc

b. from that particular combat angle, dmc now beats ninja gaiden as thoroughly as ninja gaiden beats everything else

'you're too smart for this console fanboyism' is my response a lot of the stuff that's posted here -- fuckin deadmeat is this forum's technical guru in absentia. i haven't got any private use for console loyalties, but i'll gladly don the sony slip, panties, bra, stockings, and garters for forum purposes. the xfaggotry that's become the default pose of forum posters, the enthusiast press, tech bloggers etc is just that stifling
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« Reply #123 on: March 04, 2008, 05:42:44 AM »
I'm ashamed, then.  Consider yourself extremely successful since I couldn't even tell you were intentionally trolling.

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the xfaggotry that's become the default pose of forum posters, the enthusiast press, tech bloggers etc is just that stifling

I'd say you are seeing what you want to see.  The anti-Xbox shitism is about as prominent as the pro-Xbox shitism, in general.  This forum happens to land on the pro side, largely (I assume) because GAF is so firmly on the anti side.
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« Reply #124 on: March 04, 2008, 05:58:47 AM »
it's entirely possible that i'm wrong about the prevailing 360 bias -- come to think of it i barely read the enthusiast media. but i prefer an entertaining misconception to a dull truth, and anyway i need somebody to antagonize now that nintendo and their fans have left the building

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« Reply #125 on: March 04, 2008, 06:02:17 AM »
it's entirely possible that i'm wrong about the prevailing 360 bias -- come to think of it i barely read the enthusiast media. but i prefer an entertaining misconception to a dull truth, and anyway i need somebody to antagonize now that nintendo and their fans have left the building

Does Ngai need to be mentioned?  Pachter?  Some of the people in the bleeders may be pro-360, but the names that reach the widest audiences (even if they are not game enthusiast audiences) are totally in the Sony camp.  From a perspective of, well, perspectives, the war is 50/50.

This forum, like it or not, is largely a response to GAF.  Surprise, GAF is filled with PS3 shitheads and this one is filled with 360 shitheads.  Pick your poison.  FREEDOM.
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« Reply #126 on: March 04, 2008, 06:04:16 AM »
 :bow :bow :bow deadmeat is a legend :bow2 :bow2 :bow2

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« Reply #127 on: March 04, 2008, 08:14:40 AM »
syphon filter was terrific. headshots in that game were really satisfying.
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« Reply #128 on: March 04, 2008, 08:51:31 AM »
OK - who is 'core' enough to replay...

Metal Gear - MSX
Metal Gear 2 - MSX
Metal Gear Solid - PSOne
Metal Gear Solid 2 - PS2
Metal Gaer Solid 3 - PS2

before MGS4 comes out?


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« Reply #129 on: March 04, 2008, 08:53:00 AM »
OK - who is 'core' enough to replay...

Metal Gear - MSX
Metal Gear 2 - MSX
Metal Gear Solid - PSOne
Metal Gear Solid 2 - PS2
Metal Gaer Solid 3 - PS2

before MGS4 comes out?



but play them in this order...

Metal Gear Solid 3 - PS2
Metal Gear - MSX
Metal Gear 2 - MSX
Metal Gear Solid - PSOne
Metal Gear Solid 2 - PS2

for timeline continuity.


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« Reply #130 on: March 04, 2008, 08:56:07 AM »
I'd like to play the first 2 MG games on MSX one day...
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« Reply #131 on: March 04, 2008, 09:16:58 AM »
I'd like to play the first 2 MG games on MSX one day...

I got them included with MGS3: Substinance.

They are on disk 3 I think.


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« Reply #132 on: March 04, 2008, 09:24:13 AM »
are the first two worth playing through? i played a bit of the first one, but i never finished it.
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« Reply #133 on: March 04, 2008, 10:43:45 AM »
MGS with individual levels? :-X

I am gonna quote this to kingdom come when MGS4 comes out, because Himuro is going to get owned to hell and back.

It's definitely different in MGS4 though, mostly because the location changes so drastically (there is no self contained island, jungle, etc.) But the MGSPO levels are like 2 minutes long.
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« Reply #134 on: March 04, 2008, 10:50:42 AM »
I'm going to jack off for MGS4.  I will get my PS3 then.  I've been tempted to get one before, but I always thought "I'll get one for MGS4!" so the bundle makes sense.  And I need my BC, so yeah.  Should I get MGS3:S in anticipation as well (can't play it lolz)?

MGS3 was pure fucking sex

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« Reply #135 on: March 04, 2008, 10:56:28 AM »
I'm going to jack off for MGS4.  I will get my PS3 then.  I've been tempted to get one before, but I always thought "I'll get one for MGS4!" so the bundle makes sense.  And I need my BC, so yeah.  Should I get MGS3:S in anticipation as well (can't play it lolz)?

MGS3 was pure fucking sex
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« Reply #136 on: March 04, 2008, 11:02:50 AM »
Speaking of Splinter Cell, when the hell is Conviction coming out?  Ubisoft has gone on radio silence.
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« Reply #137 on: March 04, 2008, 11:04:05 AM »
Speaking of Splinter Cell, when the hell is Conviction coming out?  Ubisoft has gone on radio silence.
Ubidays 2008,  May 28-29 will probably have some info on it.

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« Reply #138 on: March 04, 2008, 11:06:25 AM »
Cool.  Even though I was disappointed in Double Agent (to the point of never finishing it), I want to play Mountain Man Sam.
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« Reply #139 on: March 04, 2008, 11:07:04 AM »
Talk about games stuck in other games' wake...Sam Fischer's new look  :lol
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« Reply #140 on: March 04, 2008, 11:07:45 AM »
Talk about games stuck in other games' wake...Sam Fischer's new look  :lol
what do you mean?

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« Reply #141 on: March 04, 2008, 11:09:52 AM »
Yeah, what game is that look ripping off?  I don't pay attention to that stuff.

Question:

I have a pretty low frustration level, and I've never played a Metal Gear game.  If I get MGS Essentials, am I going to be throwing discs across the room fifteen minutes in?
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« Reply #142 on: March 04, 2008, 11:09:55 AM »
are the first two worth playing through? i played a bit of the first one, but i never finished it.

I loved the first installment.  Still my favorite one.  It was not too long and the boss battles were great--Sniper Wolf, the helicopter battle, Psycho Mantis, and on and on.  Taking on Metal Gear Rex for the first time was one of the highlights of the PSone era.  

MGS2 was a graphical powerhouse for its day as well.  It still bests many of the later PS2 titles in the graphics department.  The story was quirky to say the least.  It was a fun ride as well.
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« Reply #143 on: March 04, 2008, 11:11:19 AM »
Talk about games stuck in other games' wake...Sam Fischer's new look  :lol
what do you mean?
The game looks like it pulled Old Snake's look and got it confused with Assassin's Creed gameplay. Based on the delays, I think even Ubi agrees with me.
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« Reply #144 on: March 04, 2008, 11:12:43 AM »
are the first two worth playing through? i played a bit of the first one, but i never finished it.

I loved the first installment.  Still my favorite one.  It was not too long and the boss battles were great--Sniper Wolf, the helicopter battle, Psycho Mantis, and on and on.  Taking on Metal Gear Rex for the first time was one of the highlights of the PSone era.  

MGS2 was a graphically for its day as well.  It still bests many of the later PS2 titles in the graphics department.  The story was quirky to say the least.  It was a fun ride as well.

i was talking about the 2d metal gear, actually. :p


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« Reply #145 on: March 04, 2008, 11:14:19 AM »
sam's new look is closer to big boss than old snake, with the beard and all.

the whole concept is rumored to be scrapped, so don't put too much though in it till they show the game again.

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« Reply #146 on: March 04, 2008, 11:15:58 AM »
i was talking about the 2d metal gear, actually. :p

My bad.

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« Reply #147 on: March 04, 2008, 11:19:01 AM »
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« Reply #148 on: March 04, 2008, 11:26:46 AM »
I don't have the time this morning to go into a rant on why I hate the MGS series or how I think that anyone that's invested in the series mythology should get their fucking head examined but anyone suggesting that the reason people like the Splinter Cell games more than MGS is because they were on the Xbox are grade-A morons.  The SC games were simply superior stealth games, period.  Hell, the Thief games kick the living shit out of both SC and MGS.  The first release of MGS3 was so fundamentally broken that I'm still fucking scratching my head how people could actually like it.  Top down view fighting The End = fail.

I honestly couldn't care any less about MGS4....though I'd like to see it on the 360 just for the pure comedy value of it all.
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« Reply #149 on: March 04, 2008, 11:33:17 AM »
smh
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« Reply #150 on: March 04, 2008, 11:35:43 AM »
Regarding stealth, I loved Oblivion's system as well, which was highlighted in both Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood questlines.

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« Reply #151 on: March 04, 2008, 11:38:08 AM »
But being a thief was so broken with the scaling.

At least in Morrowind you could legit live as a thief and steal to LIVE.
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« Reply #152 on: March 04, 2008, 11:47:28 AM »
I'm going to jack off for MGS4.  I will get my PS3 then.  I've been tempted to get one before, but I always thought "I'll get one for MGS4!" so the bundle makes sense.  And I need my BC, so yeah.  Should I get MGS3:S in anticipation as well (can't play it lolz)?

MGS3 was pure fucking sex
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:bow :bow  thanks!

And speaking of SC, I'm sorry but the first was fucking incredible.  It looked gorgeous and was incredibly fun and fresh.  Fuck the haters.

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« Reply #153 on: March 04, 2008, 12:21:42 PM »
Everyone was talking about the first MGS so much when it came out that I went to Blockbuster to rent it, and accidentally got VR Missions.

I played it for an hour or two and returned it. It wasn't until a year or two later that I realized I wasn't playing what everyone liked :lol

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« Reply #154 on: March 04, 2008, 12:46:51 PM »
I'd like to play the first 2 MG games on MSX one day...

I got them included with MGS3: Substinance.

They are on disk 3 I think.



They are on disc 2. Disc 3 is in the LE. Everyone gets MG1 and 2 with MGS3:S. However, the extra disc is not in the MGS: Collection, which is barebones.

are the first two worth playing through? i played a bit of the first one, but i never finished it.

Metal Gear 2 is essentially MGS1 except it came out like 7-8 years prior. The game is so ahead of its time it is not even funny.
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« Reply #155 on: March 04, 2008, 01:22:06 PM »
Drohne, I'm not seeing how NG's interface can be com pletely attributed to DMC.  I mean plenty of games have used the lifebar like that in the corner of the screen - including every fighter ever made, Megaman, etc etc.

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« Reply #156 on: March 04, 2008, 01:30:56 PM »



it's very close.

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« Reply #157 on: March 04, 2008, 02:21:23 PM »
Yeah, the only reason why I'm interested in the MGS4 PS3 bundle is because it has the DualShock 3 in the box.  8)
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« Reply #158 on: March 04, 2008, 02:52:29 PM »
it's very close.

Yeah, I guess I can see it now, the graphic on the corner that bookends the lifebar and ninpo/DT are very similar.

Great minds think alike.   ;)

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« Reply #159 on: March 04, 2008, 06:37:42 PM »
i was actually thinking more of the menus and the little dialog boxes that pop up when you pick up or place an item

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« Reply #160 on: March 05, 2008, 05:03:15 PM »
:piss Splinter Cell :piss2

:bow METAL FUCKING GEAR :bow2

Pretty much how it really is.
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« Reply #161 on: March 05, 2008, 05:08:05 PM »
i was actually thinking more of the menus and the little dialog boxes that pop up when you pick up or place an item

Yea, I was thinking the same.

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« Reply #162 on: March 05, 2008, 05:15:55 PM »
i was actually thinking more of the menus and the little dialog boxes that pop up when you pick up or place an item
nah, i don't think so.

IMO, itagaki is more influenced by miyamoto and his zelda games.

golden skulltula = golden scarab, different types of arrows, tairon city is like hyrule where you can travel to almost any place at any time, kinda similar puzzles.

NG is basically Itagaki's version of Zelda.

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« Reply #163 on: March 05, 2008, 05:22:49 PM »
OK - who is 'core' enough to replay...

Metal Gear - MSX
Metal Gear 2 - MSX
Metal Gear Solid - PSOne
Metal Gear Solid 2 - PS2
Metal Gaer Solid 3 - PS2

before MGS4 comes out?



but play them in this order...

Metal Gear Solid 3 - PS2
Metal Gear - MSX
Metal Gear 2 - MSX
Metal Gear Solid - PSOne
Metal Gear Solid 2 - PS2

for timeline continuity.
What about the Gameboy game? :)

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« Reply #164 on: March 05, 2008, 05:23:58 PM »
It may have not been developed by Kojima, Beezy.  I also think it is not part of the Metal Gear canon as well.

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« Reply #165 on: March 05, 2008, 05:41:21 PM »
It may have not been developed by Kojima, Beezy.  I also think it is not part of the Metal Gear canon as well.
Who cares, the game was fun. It was the first Metal Gear game that I ever played through.

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« Reply #166 on: March 05, 2008, 05:44:15 PM »
i didn't play the gameboy game but some of the screenshots were very close to MGS3.

the halo jump, the place where you fight ocelot...etc...i remember seeing similar places in the gameboy game.
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« Reply #167 on: March 05, 2008, 05:45:06 PM »
okay

april is METAL GEAR SOLID MONTH
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« Reply #168 on: March 05, 2008, 05:56:46 PM »
:piss "canon in games, or shitty tv shows" :piss2

I just noticed how stupid and nerdy it is to worry about canon in a game series that features roller blading mad bombers, geriatric snipers, and gay vampires.

Edit: Beezy, I was not discounting the game boy game.  I heard it was fun and I always wanted to play it.  It's hard to find now, though.   :(
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« Reply #169 on: March 06, 2008, 10:53:27 AM »
how is this a fuck you if we're not buying MGS4 anyway?  ???

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« Reply #170 on: March 06, 2008, 08:02:35 PM »
100gigs of Kojima's hack writing and Snake homoerotic doll play! Lord knows that ain't gameplay he's filling that disc with.

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« Reply #171 on: March 06, 2008, 10:50:51 PM »
i immediately knew what game you were talking about and

a. i had no idea it was coming out sunday

b. i didn't know you were replying to etiolate

must have been an accurate description!

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« Reply #172 on: March 14, 2008, 09:09:17 PM »
owned
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« Reply #173 on: March 14, 2008, 09:14:44 PM »
i still find it hard to believe, though

that would make it the biggest game ever

smh @ not including both languages on one disc
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« Reply #174 on: March 14, 2008, 09:15:36 PM »
- bumping an old thread
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« Reply #175 on: March 14, 2008, 09:16:43 PM »
well, it's confirmed now by some konami rep, apparently

smh kojipro
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« Reply #176 on: March 14, 2008, 09:17:26 PM »
yup, i read the news.

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« Reply #177 on: March 14, 2008, 09:31:28 PM »
Can a mod please change the thread title to Evilbore gives Bloodwake a collective "Fuck You"?