Really, America? Hillary Clinton?

[GilloD]

At the risk of being redundant and starting a discussion I have no intention of finishing: Really, America? Here's how I sees it: Hillary Clinton is a perfectly clever, qualified person who has no interest in digging us any deeper than we've already gotten. She also has no interest in digging us out. The state of the American people- that is, fucked, doomed and endangered- is good for government and good for big business, exactly the sort of "causes" Hillary represents. She's not as  much of a genuine threat to the world as Senor Bush, but she is not really a fixer and her record represents this.

I just felt like Obama was the only man interested in digging us out. He may not have had the experience, but the people with experience have been fucking us over for more than a decade. I feel like it's right after 9/11 again and there was this fork in the road and we could attempt a beautiful reconciliation with ourselves, a wonderful self-evaluation in the light of our awful wake up call. Instead, we blew up the Middle East, fucked up Afghanistan and created one of the most vital and dangerous breeding grounds for radical Islam you could imagine. We built them Jihadist Disneyworld. And now I feel like we're doing it again.

That's all, I just needed to speak my peace.

[Mupepe]

i want to die

[drew]

What happened?  Is Obama out for good? 

[Bloodwake]

He still has the fucking delegate lead.

[MCD]

  women

[drew]

D:

Barely.  I think I'm going to go to sleep and wake up after it's over to maximize the the lulz. 

[Phoenix Dark]

I love how this is starting to be spun. If Hillary wins the nom and loses the general, it's because she was the wrong candidate. If Obama wins the nom and loses the general, it's because Hillary screwed him over.

[TakingBackSunday]

Not really.  If Hilary wins the nom in the first place, she WILL lose the general, considering her winning the nomination will be a sham.

[MrAngryFace]

At this point both are so close that either side could go 'wah wah' sham and ruin democrats chances

[lordmaji]

I could be get hind a Clinton/Obama ticket, or vica versa.

By JIM KUHNHENN and CALVIN WOODWARD, Associated Press Writer 47 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Hillary Rodham Clinton, fresh off a campaign-saving comeback, hinted Wednesday at the possibility of sharing the Democratic presidential ticket with Barack Obama — with her at the top. Obama played down his losses, stressing that he still holds the lead in number of delegates.
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On a night that failed to clarify the Democratic race, John McCain Tuesday clinched the Republican nomination. Clinton won primaries in Texas, Ohio and Rhode Island, halting Obama's winning streak. Obama won in Vermont.

Both Democrats insisted on Wednesday they had the best credentials to go head to head — or as Clinton put it "toe to toe" — against McCain.

Asked on CBS's "The Early Show" whether she and Obama should be on the same ticket, Clinton said:

"That may be where this is headed, but of course we have to decide who is on the top of ticket. I think the people of Ohio very clearly said that it should be me."

Obama, who had hoped to knock Clinton out of the race on Tuesday, said he would prevail despite facing a tenacious candidate who "just keeps on ticking." Clinton acknowledged the race was close and said it would come down to her credentials on national security and the economy.

The two presidential contenders made the rounds of the morning network television news shows Wednesday, declaring only one thing certain — that the campaign would go on and that the next big showdown would occur April 22 in Pennsylvania.

McCain, whose grasp on the nomination once seemed a distant reach, was headed for the White House Wednesday to have lunch with President Bush and get his endorsement. Bitter rivals in the 2000 presidential primaries, the two have forged an uneasy relationship during Bush's administration and have clashed on issues such as campaign finance, tax cuts, global warming and defining torture.

Despite Clinton's victories Tuesday night, Obama came away with a large share of delegates, too, in counting that continued Wednesday.

"We still have an insurmountable lead," Obama said.

Clinton and Obama spent most of the past two weeks in Ohio and Texas in a bruising campaign, with the former first lady questioning his sincerity in opposing the North American Free Trade Agreement and darkly hinting he's not ready to be commander in chief in a crisis.

Based on their current delegate counts, neither candidate can win enough delegates in the remaining primaries and caucuses to secure the nomination without the help of nearly 800 party officials and top elected officials who also have a voice in the selection. On Wednesday, Clinton and her campaign clearly aimed their case at those so-called "superdelegates" — a strategy that could take the nomination fight all the way to the party's August national convention in Denver.

"New questions are being raised, new challenges are being put to my opponent," she said. "Superdelegates are supposed to take all that information on board and they are supposed to be exercising the judgment that people would have exercised if this information and challenges had been available several months ago."

She said voters are being drawn to her argument that she would be the better commander in chief, the best steward of the economy and that she can better confront McCain in the general election.

Obama countered that on a key national security issue — the war in Iraq — "she got it wrong" by supporting Bush's call for authority to use of force.

As for superdelegates, Obama said he expected them to rally around him.

"I don't think it will necessarily go to the convention floor," he told reporters aboard his plane before taking off from San Antonio for Chicago.

He also said he will challenge Clinton on her foreign policy credentials.

"Was she negotiating treaties? Was she handling crises? The answer is no," he said. "She made a series of arguments on why she should be a superior candidate. I think it's important to examine that argument."

In Tuesday's four-state competition for delegates, Clinton picked up at least 115, to at least 88 for Obama. Nearly 170 more remained to be allocated for the night, 154 of them in the Texas primary and the caucuses that immediately followed.

Obama had a lead in Texas caucuses before counting closed for the night Tuesday, to be resumed Wednesday.

Obama had a total of 1,477 delegates, including separately chosen party and elected officials known as superdelegates, according to the Associated Press count. He picked up three superdelegate endorsements Tuesday.

Clinton had 1,391 delegates. It takes 2,025 to win the nomination.

The count does not include delegates from Florida and Michigan, who were penalized by the Democratic Party for moving up their primaries ahead of a schedule set by the Democratic National Committee. None of the Democratic candidates campaigned in either state. But Clinton, who won the popular vote in both state primaries, on Wednesday renewed her call for Florida and Michigan to be counted in the nomination race.

"It's a mistake for the Democratic Party to punish these two states," she said. "I don't see how a Democratic nominee goes forward alienating two of the most important states."

McCain surpassed the 1,191 delegates needed to win his party's nomination against odds that seemed steep only a few months ago, and all but impossible last summer.

Facing a couple of well-financed marquee candidates in a crowded field, the Arizona senator opened his comeback in New Hampshire's leadoff primary, rolled over Rudy Giuliani in Florida and finished off Mitt Romney after Super Tuesday on Feb. 5.

Mike Huckabee hung in until Tuesday night, gamely keeping up the fight weeks after dropping from long shot to afterthought.

I don't feel like bolding.

[MrAngryFace]

Both on the same ticket would save the day really. Just announce it, make a speech about party unity and change, and you keep all of the celebrity and momentum between the two and McCain cries in the corner.

[lordmaji]

Both on the same ticket would save the day really. Just announce it, make a speech about party unity and change, and you keep all of the celebrity and momentum between the two and McCain cries in the corner.

That's probably what she's thinking.

[MrAngryFace]

well it would take the bigger man (so to speak) to take the second slot, but it would work out.

[Mupepe]

Her success Tuesday night came after she put a series of hits on Obama. She ran TV ads that questioned his foreign policy credentials — one that pointed out he didn't call hearings on the fight against terrorists in Afghanistan and another fear-inducing piece that depicted her as the best candidate to handle an international crisis that erupts at 3 a.m. when your children are asleep.

Ms. Bush?

I'm so glad I've missed all these fucking campaign commercials.

[The Fake Shemp]

Hey, Raoul Duke.  How are you?  It's me.  Y'know, me.  Yeah.

[CajoleJuice]

Maybe Raoul will start drinking heavily again.

[The Fake Shemp]

We can only hope.  The Republicans are about to own the White House for four more years!

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Both on the same ticket would save the day really. Just announce it, make a speech about party unity and change, and you keep all of the celebrity and momentum between the two and McCain cries in the corner.

Hillary's campaign is so scorched earth evil. She's still behind in delegates, but she's leaking how she would be willing to give Obama the VP slot, wink wink?

But just by doing so, she's already created a perception that she's the frontrunner again and Obama is the one fighting a losing campaign.

[Human Snorenado]

Both on the same ticket would save the day really. Just announce it, make a speech about party unity and change, and you keep all of the celebrity and momentum between the two and McCain cries in the corner.

There is no feasible scenario under which I would cast a vote for Hillary Clinton in November.  I don't care if the reanimated corpse of Karl Marx is the VP.  Many people feel the same way.

Always trust the Democrats to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. 

[Human Snorenado]

Hey, Raoul Duke.  How are you?  It's me.  Y'know, me.  Yeah.

She's still got to tear the party apart to get the nomination, and there are still several states that Obama will win out there.  If he loses PA by a large margin, though, all bets are off.

[CajoleJuice]

What about the drinking situation?

[Human Snorenado]

What about the drinking situation?

We'll see about that.  I have a date later this week and we're going drinking.

If they're smart, Obama's campaign can still salvage something from the wreckage of last night.  They should hit back by releasing their Feb. fundraising totals today and a shitload of superdelegate endorsements tomorrow. 

[Howard Alan Treesong]

What about the drinking situation?

We'll see about that.  I have a date later this week and we're going drinking.

If they're smart, Obama's campaign can still salvage something from the wreckage of last night.  They should hit back by releasing their Feb. fundraising totals today and a shitload of superdelegate endorsements tomorrow. 

For all this is being trumpeted as a huge Hillary win, she only moved ahead by like 20 delegates, and Obama is still up by 130 or so.

And I agree with something I read on Dailykos (lol) -- Obama's lived a semi-charmed kind of political life, so it will be telling to see how he responds to being the "underdog" again.

FIGHT, OBAMA! FOR EVERLASTING PEACE!

[lordmaji]

...Do you think at one point in her life she has had crabs? Just asking.

[Human Snorenado]

One thing that I just remembered that gives me heart is that she fucked up and didn't include a full slate of delegates for PA- she's short by 10 or so I believe.  So even if she wins she's gonna be down delegates in PA probably. 

[Mandark]

Raoul: Weren't you the one who was spamming spreadsheets over at GAF showing how Hillary would need huge margins in her three big firewall states to win the delegate count, even with Michigan and Florida seated?

Then you freak out when she wins by a much, much smaller margin?

Pull it together, man.

[Human Snorenado]

Raoul: Weren't you the one who was spamming spreadsheets over at GAF showing how Hillary would need huge margins in her three big firewall states to win the delegate count, even with Michigan and Florida seated?

Then you freak out when she wins by a much, much smaller margin?

Pull it together, man.

It's just obnoxious, is all.  Plus, tell me that you can't see the Democrats handing her the nomination if she wins Pennsylvania.  Uh huh.  Thought so.

Plus the media is totally selling this "comeback kid" horsecrap when all she did was hang on to two twenty point leads over the past 3 weeks, barely in Texas.  Fucking media.

[APF]

Obama's message plays better when he's the "underdog."  When he's the clear leader it becomes creepy and cultish.

[Himu]

wonderfully said america

[TVC15]

Raoul: Weren't you the one who was spamming spreadsheets over at GAF showing how Hillary would need huge margins in her three big firewall states to win the delegate count, even with Michigan and Florida seated?

Then you freak out when she wins by a much, much smaller margin?

Pull it together, man.

I've always been of the mind that if she won those states by any margin that it would be bad news, since it would mean she gets to stick around and pick up more funding and spew garbage for another month.

It's unlikely I would vote for a ticket that contained both Hillary and Obama, unless Hillary were the VP, and it was sold well.  And we know Hillary wouldn't settle for VP.  I am also not positive that an Obama/Hillary ticket (of any variation) would fly well at large.  It's stacking biases--while it may seem lik eyou're getting the best of both worlds, you're also getting the worst.

In the meantime, the Republicans now have plenty of time to rally support for their awful candidate.

[Joe Molotov]

Well, here's your problem right here:

[Trent Dole]

  women

[APF]

Say what you want, but Hillary resonates with women in a way that goes beyond pandering one-liners and rallying the sisterhood.  As I've said elsewhere, a lot of her positioning directly targets the "soccer mom" demo.

[Trent Dole]

Yeah, but who wants to vote for their mom? 

[etiolate]

I think it's the letting the husband off the hook for cheating on you because you don't want to lose the public image of normality, marriage, nice home and a splendid SUV that resonates with suburban moms. Actually, it resonates with American social structure going back for centuries.