Persona 4

[Himu]

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My hopes: Please don't be anything like Persona 3. Persona 3's my favorite Persona and favorite SMT, but it would be overkill if we get another in the Persona 3 formula. I want a traditional Persona with Kaneko designs, modern setting, return of guns as main weapons instead of stupid traditional weaspons, and less cute-syfied Persona overall.

[demi]

cant wait to get all the achievements on 360

[Ichirou]

Isn't Persona 4 going to be for PS2 as well?

I bet it uses the Persona 3 engine and everything and is done on the cheap.

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

Wait.  So this is PS2 only or is there a PS3 game as well?

[y2kev]

I think it's gonna be PS2 and wii....

But Atlus can be successful with low budgets on ps3 and 360 if they have to be I bet. Disgaea was pretty successful on ps3 considering how cheaply it was made.

[pilonv1]

Wait.  So this is PS2 only or is there a PS3 game as well?

Since next gen is a non event in Japan and Wii only moves Nintendo games anything outside of PS2/DS would be utterly amazing.

[Mr. Gundam]

Where is this information coming from? Famitsu?

[Himu]

FUCK. NO KANEKO. IT LOOKS JUST LIKE PERSONA 3 ALDFJAS;DLFJ;

[Ichirou]

YOU JUST SAID PERSONA 3 WAS YOUR FAVORITE IN THE SERIES

YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY NOT HIMUROWNED

[Himu]

YOU JUST SAID PERSONA 3 WAS YOUR FAVORITE IN THE SERIES

YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY NOT HIMUROWNED

I've explored 200 floors in Persona 3. Persona 3: FES has 200 extra floors. I have managed 15 + social links.

Persona 3's idea was great, but it's not something that yields itself to multiple games. It's the type of thing that'd get old fast. Plus, no Kazuma Kaneko designs, and if it's like P3, that means it wont' be as dark as past games. I just wanted something different is all.

[TVC15]

As I predicted, the incredibly shitty P3 ruined the SMT series.  Congrats, Himu, you japafag cuntrag.  You ruined the only good JRPG series.

[Himu]

FUCK LJADSFLAJFL;SJF  FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK LDSFJA;

[TVC15]

Persona 4 = Shenmue 2 confirmed.  Ban Himuro.

[demi]

i never liked this shitty series anyway.

[MCD]

i never liked this shitty series anyway.

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[Himu]

- The game takes place in the country side away from the cities, which is interesting for SMT
- the theme is mystery suspense ( P2-esque please)
- Supposed to be a mystery full of twists and turns
- There is a weather system and whenever there's fog, a murder happens
- 1.5 x the size of P3
- multiple endings
- 60-70 hours

[MCD]

garbage.

tvc is right.

[Himu]

[MCD]

...

[Rman]

Isn't it ironic that for such a technologically advanced country--higher hd penetration, faster networks, better cell phones--Japanese game developers are still clinging to SD.

[Himu]

- The game takes place in the country side away from the cities, which is interesting for SMT
- the theme is mystery suspense ( P2-esque please)
- Supposed to be a mystery full of twists and turns
- There is a weather system and whenever there's fog, a murder happens
- 1.5 x the size of P3
- multiple endings
- 60-70 hours

At least the last one looked cute because PS2 games were still acceptable back then.

Here are the parts of the checklist you forgot to write:

- 480i
- 4:3
- stereo
- etc etc

how about you suck my dick and stop it with that idiotic lol last gen rabble?

[Ichirou]

Groo's just trolling.

[Ichirou]

Sorry you're getting owned by next-gen, dcharlie.

[Ichirou]

Ha ha!

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And I'm not even really sorry.

[close]

[ananus]

this is going to be awesome

haters

[calcifer]

  sony taking us out of this gaming ghetto called next gen

[y2kev]

i really dont believe wagglestation 2 :\

[Enl]

Meh, doesn't bother me. I just started SMT:Nocturne for the first time after just playing Lost Odyssey and I'm still enjoying the hell out of it. It's been awhile since I've played an jRPG with quick random battles and a hard as nails difficulty.

[recursivelyenumerable]

this isn't trolling, this is actually starting to get worrying.
I am at the point where i really do think next gen is not going to happen.

Smart people (such as myself) don't buy consoles until they drop below $150.  Presumably that'll happen eventually with PS3/360, so I'm sure in the long run you have nothing to worry about.

[Ichirou]

sony taking us out of this gaming ghetto called next gen

news at 10 : massive sfag admits Ps3 is shit.

good man.

I think he was talking about the console with the built-in self-destruct device, the XBox three-shitsty.

[demi]

this isn't trolling, this is actually starting to get worrying.
I am at the point where i really do think next gen is not going to happen.

Smart people (such as myself) don't buy consoles until they drop below $150.  Presumably that'll happen eventually with PS3/360, so I'm sure in the long run you have nothing to worry about.

And the people with money who buy these consoles (such as myself) are covered in pussy and have the time of our lives

Just look at you and Ichirou

My case... as they say... is rested

[Ichirou]

Actually, the phrase is usually "case closed" or "the prosecution rests."  Besides, the only reason you have so much money is because all you do is pirate, choggler.

[recursivelyenumerable]

And the people with money who buy these consoles (such as myself) are covered in pussy and have the time of our lives

Sorry to say but having a high credit limit is not actually the same thing as having money.  You'll come to regret all those underage console and hooker purchases in time.

[recursivelyenumerable]

Yes, Japan spends all its lolicon energies on inappropriate fetishization of actual underage girls, so there's none left over for PS3 and its ilk.  In the west we've learned not to indulge in those vices, and divert our lolicon to the loliconsoles.

(for me, it's immature programming languages)

[calcifer]

sony taking us out of this gaming ghetto called next gen

news at 10 : massive sfag admits Ps3 is shit.

good man.

I think he was talking about the console with the built-in self-destruct device, the XBox three-shitsty.

well and the ps3 too now since the 360 will be tainting the ps3 factories

ps2 + pc + psp

[Himu]

changes from p3

1. No moon cycle. This is a very big change for SMT, because the moon cycles have been important in pretty much every one, right?

This, however, is GREAT for Persona 4 for a few reasons. This means that since things are entirely based on weather, things won't be predictable. This is just a guess, but you won't be able to prepare for the monthly boss by just going to the dungeon one night before the event and say fuck it the rest of the month.

2. There's no Shadow Time. In one part they show the crew in a dungeon "after school", in one part they're there at "daytime" which was during summer break since it was during July 29. What does this mean for the formula? Will it be possible to skip school in P4?

3. There's more than one dungeon and they're all unique to each other. Here's hoping there's meat to them. I'm talkin, puzzles and TRAPS SMTN style. My buddy noticed an underground lab, a strip club, and a castle mansion.

4. Characters can now help each other up if they are knocked down.

5. You can now control more than just the main character. In one part of the trailer, I showed you in control of the red head dude. Either that was the red lights shining on the main's hair, or you can control them.

[hyp]

changes from p3

5. You can now control more than just the main character. In one part of the trailer, I showed you in control of the red head dude. Either that was the red lights shining on the main's hair, or you can control them.

praise the lord!

[TVC15]

This enshittening and dumbing down of the gameplay had better not spread to other SMT games.

[Van Cruncheon]

i.e. the "himurozation"

[Himu]

i will gladly take this himurozation. you don't like black cock in your ass prole? smh

prole

[Himu]

buy persona 3 fes FA.

[Himu]

There's no reason to "work up the chain". The series is not connected.

[Himu]

SMT is the main series. There are 4 entries: Shin Megami Tensei 1, 2, ...If, and 3.

All the other seires are there to compliment the main series and help add new features to it. The most popular side series are:

Devil Summoner - Devil Summoner, Soul Hackers, Devil Summoner 3
Persona - Persona 1, Persona 2: Innocent Sin, Persona 2: Eternal Punishment, Persona 3
Digital Devil Saga 1 and 2

These series are not connected at all aside from things the hardcare fans would notice.  aside from the two Persona 2's and DDS', which ARE connected.

Starting with P3 is the best way because 1. it is completely different and enough to interest someone in the SMT series 2. it's not nearly as rare as SMT3 or DDS. 3. It's more story based than a traditional SMT so it'll be easier for someone used to other jrpgs to get into, thus, making the transition easier.

SMT games are like Final Fantasy's. They're like, never connected. There are things that universal in all of the games, like certain themes, certain gameplay elements (the moon cycles), but they are never connected story wise, aside from P2 and DDS1+2.

[Himu]

I think you'd like P3, FA. It's by far one of the most unique jrpg experiences I've ever had and I've played lots. It has a certain "one more day" element, similar to Civ fan's "one more turn" thing. It's not for everyone, but at the price of 30 dollars, I think it's worth a shot.

[TVC15]

Alot of the "one more day" component comes from hack design decisions that disallow action for days on end.  smh.

Yup.  What the fuck is with only being able to go into the dungeon once or twice a week?  More dungeon crawling, less shitty high school interaction.


Also, the dungeon crawling kind of sucked ass.  Not much variety at all.

[Himu]

That's why you do things in P3 in order of importance.

You can go into the dungeon more than once or twice a week.

[TVC15]

You can go into the dungeon more than once or twice a week.

Not if you were playing the game effectively.  Your terribly designed cigarillo friends (and you, iirc) need to rest and shit.

[Himu]

At the very beginning of the game, your guys need to rest a lot. But once you hit level 5, they rarely ever get tired and you can mostly grind to your hearts content. Once I hit level 5, my guys got tired maybe once or twice to the point I forgot they could get tired unless someone at the beginning of the game was bitching about it. I played 100 + hours of P3 and I only had trouble with that in the first 5hours.

Genghis: it means that it's not exactly bad design. It's a trait of sim games. You do one thing at a time during a specific period, and you have to choose what you do in order of importance. It's not bad design because it requires you to think about a schedule, instead of doing things randomly. Maybe it just isn't your type of play style.

[Himu]

So going by the trailer, I'm going to assume that P4's main can't use multiple Persona like P3's main. That's good and bad to me. I love having to equip a Persona for a few reasons. This keeps you on your toes, and makes things more strategic. If you got jumped by a Shadow that used ice magic and you had a Persona weak to ice equipped at the time, you'd be fucked in P3. That was awesome.

Oh well.

[TVC15]

You know what's bad about Persona 4?  It's a sequel to Persona 3 and not Persona 2.

[Himu]

It's really not even a dating sim. You just hang out with people to strengthen your Persona. Near end game, it's pretty much nothing but grinding because you've got over 50-100 floors to cover. If you like a persona, up its rank. That's all there is to it.

[TVC15]

We don't need that in our games.  Some of us have friends in real life.

[Himu]

Then why not have no characters at all? Period. In fact, it's not even about having friends. It's about using people for your own selfish reasons.

You want to run away from home little girl? Go ahead and do it, I won't cry, I just leveled up my Persona.

Oh sure dude, you want to go to kendo practice on a torn hamstring at the risk of not being able to play sports? Sure dude go ahead. As long as I up my Persona level!

[TVC15]

Even if you find the social stuff tolerable, you have to deal with the lame dungeon crawling, level after level with little variety.  Shit loot.  Empty mazes with monsters to fight or dodge.  Persona 3 is basically the worst Mysterious Dungeon clone ever.

[Ichirou]

I'm just happy it's coming out for PS2 lol

[demi]

himuro left out the bit where you had to buy the game again just to see the real ending

[Himu]

Even if you find the social stuff tolerable, you have to deal with the lame dungeon crawling, level after level with little variety.  Shit loot.  Empty mazes with monsters to fight or dodge.  Persona 3 is basically the worst Mysterious Dungeon clone ever.

I don't think it is a Mystery Dungeon clone. It's all about making it to the top and fighting bosses. Some of the bosses can be REAL tough.

I agree that the dungeons are primitive, because they are. They're bare bones. But when the fighting is as good as P3's, I really don't care. Sometimes I would challenge myself on purpose, by splitting my team up, and fighitng tough enemies all by myself. I think it has a lot going for it, primitive dungeons and all and I'm glad that P4 is spicing things up by giving us more than one dungeon.

Plus, the game's dungeon has a lot going for it even if the you're just clearing floor after floor. There's Death, who you can tackle. There's the red Shadows which make fights more interesting because they're MUCH stronger enemies compared to everyone else. There's Gold Shadows which drop TONS of loot but are extremely hard to hit and rare, to boot. There's Elizabeth's quests, which give you awesome stuff, and even allow you to make new powerful Persona.

So even if the dungeons themselves are barebones, there's enough to like.

[TVC15]

So even if the dungeons themselves are barebones, there's enough to like.

Not really, it's a crude Mysterious Dungeon clone without any of the interesting dungeon crawling elements.

[Vizzys]

looks interesting from the trailer, p3 battle system+flashyness

yellow instead of blue as the dominant color is cool, good music

s links look to be back in some form and persona fusion

thats cool as well

[recursivelyenumerable]

I haven't played Persona 3, but I wanna lash out at Cohen on general FUCK YOU GAMES ARE ABOUT LIMITATIONS AND CONSTRAINTS, GO PLAY WITH LEGOS IF YOU WANT TOTAL FREEDOM OF ACTION principles.  That and his avatar makes me wanna shoot myself in the head