Ugh, a new Mike Meyers film...wait, wtf, it looks good?

[Raban]

The Love Guru

Trailer: http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/theloveguru/

It actually sounds pretty funny, and not only that, but look!
Jessica Alba gained all the weight she threw up for Good Luck Chuck!

Justin Timberlake in a fitting role!

Verne Troyer! Again!

[Powerslave]

I can see his face.

[Raban]

Is that a con?

My only issue with the trailer is that this character pretty much looks like every Austin Powers character he did smashed into one person, but I never really watched Austin Powers for Mike after the first one, I watched for how other actors played off of him, which is why Goldmember was such a massive disappointment. Fucking Beyonce.

[FlameOfCallandor]

The movie looks stupid as fuck. It's like Austin Powers petered out and is now making shitty movies.

[pilonv1]

this looks distinguished mentally-challenged. Come back So I Married an Axe Murderer

[TVC15]

My only issue with the trailer is that this character pretty much looks like every Austin Powers character he did smashed into one person

My thought exactly.  Thumbs down.

[AdmiralViscen]

No more Alba

[Phoenix Dark]

Looks absolutely horrible

[Howard Alan Treesong]

this looks like utter, total, irredemable shit

[Ichirou]

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[Tauntaun]

Ya'll can hate all you want, I'll be there. 

[Solo]

Of the many words I would use to describe how this looks, "good" isnt one of them. Looks like shit. Id much rather AP4 than this shit. Im convinced that Myers' schtick has no real range beyond his AP characters and Wayne Campbell.

[Raban]

Ya'll can hate all you want, I'll be there. 

 

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

It still looks a LOT better then his previous version of the character.

[The Fake Shemp]

I came in here expecting a new Halloween film.

[The Fake Shemp]

Also, this looks horrible and I like Mike Myers.  I'd take a new Rob Zombie "reimagining" of a favored property than this!

[TVC15]

What if it were Rob Zombie's The Love Guru?

[HotByCold]

Is this another movie parody?
Of what?

[The Fake Shemp]

Mike Myers' career.

[TVC15]

I think the It Comedian phenomenon is pretty interesting to watch.  It seems like for the past two decades or so, no matter how hilarious they are considered one year, the It Comedian wears out his welcome within the span of just a few years.  Actually, I think the phenomenon goes back even further, to at least 70s and 80s comedians, but I think they got more temporal mileage because success weren't as quickly milked and remilked back then.

[The Fake Shemp]

Yeah, it dates back to the 70s.

Steve Carell is about to run out his welcome, shortly (if he has not already).  Some might say we've already moved on to any number of Apatow's crew!

However, if the comedian is able to make a successful transition to more serious roles (Steve Martin, Bill Murray, Jim Carrey), they can survive for a lot longer.

[Phoenix Dark]

Steve Carrel could totally pull off a child molester role.

[TVC15]

Steve Carell was never megahuge in movies, and that's a good thing.  He really needs to be part of a strong cast.  I don't think he could carry anything by himself.  But it's not like Hollywood hasn't tried to make him a leading man.

Yeah, Adam Sandler was trying to follow Carrey's career, I think.  I think Jim Carrey's career is just about the best that can be expected.

Actually, Ben Stiller does pretty well for himself, I think.  I think he knows the old formula of do a few for the studio and then you can do your own thing.

[The Fake Shemp]

Eh, Steve Carell (40-Year-Old Virgin and Evan Almighty both made over $100 million, both his animated movies have made over $100 million) has made way more money that Stiller.  Stiller is not an "It Comedian" by any measure.  The latest It Comedian was obviously Will Ferrell.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Eh, Steve Carell has made way more money that Stiller.  Stiller is not an "It Comedian" by any measure.  The latest It Comedian was obviously Will Ferrell.

[Mupepe]

Ben Stiller doesn't whore himself out to every offering and oversaturate the market with himself.  He never got really played out.  Will Ferrell played in every piece of shit offered to him and people got tired of it.

[Raban]

I'm positive Steve Carell has overstayed his comedic welcome and needs to move on to other shit. Playing the idiot in every movie he's now, it's getting tiring. Little Miss Sunshine was a great change for him, and Dan in Real Life wasn't too bad. Carell really needs to start exploring roles.

Adam Sandler I think peaked at Big Daddy/Mr. Deeds, afterwards it was just a steep downhill slope.

Jim Carrey is one of my favorite comedy actors, and he actually pulled off serious roles well. He's the king of physical comedy.

As far as Ben Stiller, I have to say he's only funny when he's playing an extreme. Ever since Meet the Parents he gets typecast as a neurotic normal guy, when instead every role he does should mimick Zoolander or Dodgeball, at least his character in them.

And Will Ferrell...ugh. Anchorman was a peak, and after that, rock bottom for life.

[AdmiralViscen]

Eh, Steve Carell (40-Year-Old Virgin and Evan Almighty both made over $100 million, both his animated movies have made over $100 million) has made way more money that Stiller.  Stiller is not an "It Comedian" by any measure.  The latest It Comedian was obviously Will Ferrell.

Check again, Stiller's box office take is huge

[TVC15]

Eh, Steve Carell (40-Year-Old Virgin and Evan Almighty both made over $100 million, both his animated movies have made over $100 million) has made way more money that Stiller.  Stiller is not an "It Comedian" by any measure.  The latest It Comedian was obviously Will Ferrell.

And Meet the Fockers made 500 mil worldwide.  Meet the Parents did 300.  I think Stiller's definitely made more dollars.

But you're right, he was never like Will Ferrel, where there's apparently the demand to have one terrible movie starring him every half year.

Edit:  Jesus, Night at the Museum almost made 600 mil (I paid dollars to see it <cry> [against my will!])

[The Fake Shemp]

Ben Stiller has difficulties holding a film up by himself.  When paired with a good actor/director, he can hit paydirt - like Meet the Parents, Something About Mary, etc.

Meet the Parents and Meet the Fockers were less about, "Oh my God, Ben Stiller!" but "Oh my God, Ben Stiller and Robert DeNiro (and Hoffman! and Streisand!)"

He rarely breaks $100 million in films where he is the sole star.  The only recent change to that was Night at the Museum, which everyone is perplexed why it made $250 million.

[Mupepe]

The difference is Ben Stiller doesn't try to come out with 6 films every year where he's the star

[TVC15]

Ben Stiller has difficulties holding a film up by himself.  When paired with a good actor/director, he can hit paydirt - like Meet the Parents, Something About Mary, etc.

Meet the Parents and Meet the Fockers were less about, "Oh my God, Ben Stiller!" but "Oh my God, Ben Stiller and Robert DeNiro (and Hoffman! and Streisand!)"

He rarely breaks $100 million in films where he is the sole star.  The only recent change to that was Night at the Museum, which everyone is perplexed why it made $250 million.

You can say the same thing about Steve Carrel, though.  Also don't forget that Evan was still ultimately a bomba.

[The Fake Shemp]

Also, has anyone notice how insanely buff Stiller is nowadays?  I remember when he was relatively scrawny.  He's always had a square jaw, but now he's pretty cut.  Ridiculous.

[Mupepe]

I like his chest.  Steve Carrell sucks IMO.  His schtick gets old and annoying.  I can't even stand the way he speaks and acts in The Office anymore

[Phoenix Dark]

Eh, Steve Carell (40-Year-Old Virgin and Evan Almighty both made over $100 million, both his animated movies have made over $100 million) has made way more money that Stiller.  Stiller is not an "It Comedian" by any measure.  The latest It Comedian was obviously Will Ferrell.

whut

Stiller has been the main star in 6 movies that grossed at least $85 million, 5 of which grossed more than $100 million. Carrel has been the main star in 2 films that have grossed more than $100 million. So Stiller is the bigger name in term of being able to helm a successful movie

Meet the Parents and Meet the Fockers were less about, "Oh my God, Ben Stiller!" but "Oh my God, Ben Stiller and Robert DeNiro (and Hoffman! and Streisand!)

In terms of films they've been in regardless of being the main star Stiller has been in 7 films that have grossed more than $85, including 5 that grossed more than $100 million. Carrel has starred in 5, but considering they were helmed by big stars like Ferrel and Jim Carrey...yeah. More people saw those films for Carrey/Ferrel than seeing Meet the Parents to see Robert De Niro

[TVC15]

I'd rape a baby to have his facial bone structure.

[The Fake Shemp]

You can say the same thing about Steve Carrel, though.  Also don't forget that Evan was still ultimately a bomba.

His last two films where he was the sole star, (40-Year-Old Virgin and Evan Almighty) grossed over $100 million.  That's ridiculous.  Neither had any other big name actors or directors attached to them.  They grossed that cash because of him.  Almighty being a bomb wasn't his fault.  Anytime an actor can get you $100 million on his own - that's awesome.

[The Fake Shemp]

Phoenix Dark, please stay out the discussion.  The big boys are talking - you just made no sense.

[Mupepe]

Not to mention, Evan Almighty was going to be a bomb regardless because of that outrageous fucking budget

[Phoenix Dark]

And you just got owned, compliment of Boxofficemojo.com 

[Mupepe]

I'd rape a baby to have his facial bone structure.

I'll bone your structure

[The Fake Shemp]

And you just got owned, compliment of Boxofficemojo.com 

Not really.  We're talking about leading men and your numbers basically said the same exact thing I said.  At one point, you threw around the quote, "regardless of if he was the main star or not" and that's the exact point of this debate.  Stay out.  Stay in home school.

[TVC15]

What about the last 2 movies Stiller made, Will?  Hint, one of them made 570 million worldwide!

[The Fake Shemp]

Hey, like I said - nobody can explain Night the Museum.  It's the only film in his whole career where he was the sole reason for people seeing it and it made a ton of cash.

The Heartbreak Kid was a bomb, though.

[TVC15]

It did over 100 million, so by your Evan Almighty metric, it was a success for Stiller!

[The Fake Shemp]

The Heartbreak Kid grossed $36 million domestically.  You're insane!

[Raban]

The Heartbreak Kid was a bomb, though.

It was so good though, so good.

[TVC15]

The Heartbreak Kid grossed $36 million domestically.  You're insane!

America is not the world.

[Mupepe]

The Heartbreak Kid grossed $36 million domestically.  You're insane!

America is not the world.

yeah, but i know for a fact hispanics will watch almost anything American

[The Fake Shemp]

And yes, I do not include foreign figures, because the box office cut of the gross is so complex and disgusting (the studio doesn't see a gigantic amount of it, unlike domestic gross) that's really hard to argue which made more depending on what country the film made money.  Studios look at domestic gross first and foremost - not foreign gross and DVD revenue (those are seen to recoup losses or as "gravy").

[The Fake Shemp]

I'm deleting Maurice's comments because he is either regurgitating what TVC and I are talking about or being a poof.

[Phoenix Dark]

Wow 

[TVC15]

I don't care how much money the studio is getting.  I don't care about the economy of the studio system.  I use the box office numbers as a metric of popularity.  Fuck studios.

[The Fake Shemp]

And TVC, I'm not arguing that Stiller is not a "star" in the sense, but Carell puts more asses in seats nowadays than Stiller does.  I view Night of the Museum as a fluke.  I think The Heartbreak Kid shows that.

[The Fake Shemp]

I don't care how much money the studio is getting.  I don't care about the economy of the studio system.  I use the box office numbers as a metric of popularity.  Fuck studios.

If we're going to say who is more popular worldwide - it's obviously Stiller.  Carell is relatively new the scene (he only has three films, two with wide releases where he is the star).  But the entire argument was based on the It Comedian phenomenon, which is an American one, not a worldwide thing.

[Mupepe]

night at the museum was just a classic "fun for the whole family" formula and the advertising made it really seem that way as well.  most comedies don't come off that way and most ben stiller movies don't either.

[The Fake Shemp]

I thought it was because the monkey slings poops.

[TVC15]

I don't care how much money the studio is getting.  I don't care about the economy of the studio system.  I use the box office numbers as a metric of popularity.  Fuck studios.

If we're going to say who is more popular worldwide - it's obviously Stiller.  Carell is relatively new the scene (he only has three films, two with wide releases where he is the star).  But the entire argument was based on the It Comedian phenomenon, which is an American one, not a worldwide thing.

I conceded a ways back that Still was not an It Comedian, based on the slow pace at which he releases star vehicles, and since he seems to pick non-It Comedian roles.  For the record, I wouldn't really say Carrel is an It Comedian either, regardless of how this convo ends.

[The Fake Shemp]

He catapulted real quick with 40-Year-Old Virgin and I think he was advertised more heavily than the rest of his cast members with Little Miss Sunshine, got a starring gig in Evan Almighty, has the number one film in the nation right now (although, he is honestly sharing that with Carrey and the fanbase the property has) and has a major tentpole flick out this summer.  Tropic Thunder looks a lot better, but I bet Get Smart makes more money.

I still think Will Ferrell is at the end of the It Comedian phenomenon - its his till he bombs signficantly, but I think Carell is right there or almost right there.  His will be a short reign, though!

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Carell is hardly an It comedian. smh.