Haha, Saw IV already is set to be released Halloween '07

[The Fake Shemp]

Just heard about this.  They're are going to keep making these movies forever.

[Vizzys]

GOOD.

[The Fake Shemp]

NO MORE.

How can you be against Batman and for Saw?

[TVC15]

Nightmare on Elm Street didn't really start flailing in the box office until the 5th movie or so.

[The Fake Shemp]

These films are progressively making more money, TVC.  What in the hell.

[Vizzys]

Remember Willco, I'm the guy pimping Earthbound, a game from 1995.

[Christopher]

well it goes to say something when small movies with low budgets and no name actors have the same sort of pull with huge budgets and big time stars.

I just think that Hollywood needs to get more creative minds rather than special effects.  The saw movies are very cool in terms of style and writing.

[TVC15]

These films are progressively making more money, TVC.  What in the hell.

So did the Nightmare movies (that's kinda what I meant to say, sorry).

And the Saw movies are totally gay shit, Chris.

[The Fake Shemp]

They are so not cool.  Any time a writer admits that they just Google torture shit to write in the movie - you know they've got a template.  They might as well have a script generator.

[Vizzys]

Tom Clancy has a script generator.

[Christopher]

ut oh movie snobs

[The Fake Shemp]

Yeah, Maddox's Clancy generator is pretty good.  He should make one for Saw.  I was telling TVC that I imagine that Lion's Gate gives the next cheap Saw scribe a template; some general screenplay with blanks like Mad Libs.  The writer Googles "torture" and fills in the rest.

[TVC15]

I may be a movie snob in a lot of regards, but I'm also an all around major horror/suspense movie fan, and the Saw flicks do not cut it.

[The Fake Shemp]

Considering TVC and I are discussing Nightmare on Elm Street, I hardly think either one of us qualifies as movie snobs.  I mean, he likes David Lynch.  We both have our faults.

[TVC15]

Ugh Saw 3 sucked

How are they even going to continue it

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Jigsaw is dead, the one bitch who might follow in his footsteps? Also dead. The only thing that was a cliff hanger is the guy's daughter. They can't have a whole movie about that!

[close]

Sounds like its reboot time!  Hey it worked for I'll Always Know What You Did Last Summer!

[Phoenix Dark]

Just heard about this.  They're are going to keep making these movies forever.

Welcome to last month


Saw is going to wind up like Halloween. In 15 years I'll be on some forum bitching about how AMC only shows Saw V and VI and never Saw I




Although AMC made me happy all through October, that's for sure

[The Fake Shemp]

Your AMC complaints were distinguished mentally-challenged since they aired all the Halloween films (save for 6 and H20 - who cares).

And Saw is not equal to Halloween.  God no!

[Phoenix Dark]

Your AMC complaints were distinguished mentally-challenged since they aired all the Halloween films (save for 6 and H20 - who cares).

And Saw is not equal to Halloween.  God no!

They only aired it due to special occassion (it being Halloween and all).

But for the next Fear Fridays, AMC will continue showing Halloween IV, Prophesy, and whatever other bad movie they can think of

[Disposable White Guy]

Did you just fucking compare a mediocre slasher flick to Michael fucking Myers?

[The Fake Shemp]

Quit bitching, Phoenix Dark.  You said Monsterfest sucked and all they do is show Halloween IV and V, which they did not.

[rocketman]

It's pretty obvious that most of you hold a bias to new horror films for whatever fuckwad reason.

Fact is, Saw used a formula and it worked. I'd have to say that in the past 3 decades, not many horror trilogies have been as good as Saw. Notice how I say not many, as in there have been better. Fuckwads.

[The Fake Shemp]

Saw sucks and it has nothing to do with the fact that it's new.

[rocketman]

Saw sucks and it has nothing to do with the fact that it's new.

You're just a douche.


No, really. You're a douche.

[Phoenix Dark]

Quit bitching, Phoenix Dark.  You said Monsterfest sucked and all they do is show Halloween IV and V, which they did not.

I was wrong. I expected them to show a bunch of shit, like they did last year, but they suprised me.

Alas, AMC is back to their shit-tacular ways. Do you ever watch Fear Fridays?

Did you just fucking compare a mediocre slasher flick to Michael fucking Myers?

In a joke, yeah. The first Saw had a lot of potential but was ruined by poor acting, writing, and newb film making; that being said, I still liked a lot of it. With respect to Halloween, the series is pretty bad, like most horror series. The first Halloween was great, but the sequels are pretty bad, extremely corny, and utterly predictable. It seems like every horror franchise is plauged by terrible, un-needed sequels.

[The Fake Shemp]

You're just a douche.

No, really. You're a douche.

I may be a douche, but at least I didn't pay money to see Saw (lolz).

[The Fake Shemp]

Also, Halloween II rocks - shut it, PD.

[rocketman]

LOLZ, Halloween III. LOOOOOOOOLZ

[The Fake Shemp]

Halloween III > Saw III

[rocketman]

In your fucking dreams, queer.

[The Fake Shemp]

Ranking the third installments...

Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors > Halloween III > Scream 3 > Friday the 13th Part 3-D > Hellraiser III > Leprechaun 3 > Children of the Corn 3 > The Santa Clause 3: The Escape Clause > Saw III

[rocketman]

Ranking the third installments...

Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors > Halloween III > Scream 3 > Friday the 13th Part 3-D > Hellraiser III > Leprechaun 3 > Children of the Corn 3 > The Santa Clause 3: The Escape Clause > Saw III

You really are a douche, bro.

[Polari]

People are so fucking stupid.

[The Fake Shemp]

I'm not including Exorcist III or Day or the Dead, but both of those are better too.

[Phoenix Dark]

Also, Halloween II rocks - shut it, PD.

I agree - it's pretty good.

III and up all suck from varying degrees. The concept of Myers running (whoops, I mean walking) around killing wayward teens can only go so far. Saw may not be great, but at least it triggered an evolution of horror movies. Men in masks or teeny pop horror (IE I Know what you did last summer lolz) are played out.

But, ultra gorey torture films like Saw are going to be played out reletively soon as well, mainly due to the copy cat nature of horror. Time magazine had a really good article on this a couple issues back

[The Fake Shemp]

Saw didn't trigger anything.  The slasher genre was long dead before Saw.  As for the end of so-called "tenny pop horror", what do you think Saw is?  It caters towards a teenage and college age demographic.  Almost all violent horror movies do.  Why do you think they are always full of hot coeds?

Gory, torture films aren't really in.  They don't make a lot of bank.  The big thing is horror remakes, and that's what Hollywood is focusing in on now.  It's really an evolution of adapting all the Asian horror films that began with The Ring.

[TVC15]

It's pretty obvious that most of you hold a bias to new horror films for whatever fuckwad reason.

Fact is, Saw used a formula and it worked. I'd have to say that in the past 3 decades, not many horror trilogies have been as good as Saw. Notice how I say not many, as in there have been better. Fuckwads.

Sorry, asshole, but I like new and old horror movies.  The Saw movies are just tame serial killer fetishism.  I blame Hannibal Lector for making righteous movie serial killers trendy.

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

I liked the original Saw, but something tells me this series has long since burned out. Hell, I haven't even seen III yet, and have no desire to do so. LOLZ FILM SNOB TOTAL.

[The Fake Shemp]

Sorry, asshole, but I like new and old horror movies.  The Saw movies are just tame serial killer fetishism.  I blame Hannibal Lector for making righteous movie serial killers trendy.

I don't even think Jigsaw is remotely memorable.  Oh no, Tobin Bell uses a puppet that rides a bike!

I'm just tired of all these wannabe 70s exploitation films and remakes.

The best horror film of this decade, if you can even call it that, is easily Shaun of the Dead in my book.

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

Willco ftw

[TVC15]

Sorry, asshole, but I like new and old horror movies.  The Saw movies are just tame serial killer fetishism.  I blame Hannibal Lector for making righteous movie serial killers trendy.

I'm just tired of all these wannabe 70s exploitation films and remakes.

The best horror film of this decade, if you can even call it that, is easily Shaun of the Dead in my book.

  I like Rob Zombie's movies. 

I also think that for what it's worth, some of these remakes are turning out better than they have any right to be.

[Van Cruncheon]

Saw I and II are crap. Haven't seen three, but my brother says that besides the gore actually stepping up a notch with a pair of Barker-inspired scenes and a dude drowning in pig parts, the movie was WORSE than the previous two. Given the godawful Elwes performance in the first and the distinguished mentally-challenged plot in the second, I suspect the horror lies in just what crap audiences will swallow.

TVC is right, though; the "righteous serial killer" schtick is pure antisocial goth kid fetishism. LAME.

[Disposable White Guy]

All bitching aside, I'd rather see Saw IX: Hypersaw than another Japanese-inspired/remake/wtfever about crazy ghost zombie things that terrorize people with psychic powers and ultimately make no sense.

[The Fake Shemp]

The only remake that hasn't pissed me off, despite that I went in almost wanting to hate it, was Zach Snyder's Dawn of the Dead.  Which was a fun movie unfortunately titled after the Romero classic.

I had a decent amount of fun with House of a 1,000 Corpses, because I was drunk and Zombie showed some flair with his debut.  My expectations were much higher the second time around and sadly, I've seen The Devil's Rejects done better and shorter.  No amount of alcohol made that viewing more fun.

[Phoenix Dark]

Saw didn't trigger anything.  The slasher genre was long dead before Saw.  As for the end of so-called "tenny pop horror", what do you think Saw is?  It caters towards a teenage and college age demographic.  Almost all violent horror movies do.  Why do you think they are always full of hot coeds?

Gory, torture films aren't really in.  They don't make a lot of bank.  The big thing is horror remakes, and that's what Hollywood is focusing in on now.  It's really an evolution of adapting all the Asian horror films that began with The Ring.

I suggest you read the Time article. It really counters everything you state
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1549299,00.html

After Saw's immense success, many studios started greenlighting similar movies. These are cheap movies that bring in millions; yeah, they make far more for studios than remakes do.

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

So I guess I have to be drunk to tolerate HoOTC.

[The Fake Shemp]

Bring back Creepshow!

[Disposable White Guy]

The Splat Pack 

DOESNT QUITE SOUND RIGHT EYE EMM OH

[TVC15]

So I guess I have to be drunk to tolerate HoOTC.

It was by no means a great movie - it was very music videoy and extremely flashy - but I thoroughly enjoyed it.  It reminded me of Maniac Mansion.  It's definitely a turn off your brain movie, though.  I like The Devil's Rejects, too.  It's not quite as entertaining, but Zombie's directing is about a zillion times better.  I'd like to see the Halloween series left alone as much as the next guy, but if they have to continue it, I don't mind Rob being attached to it.  He at least has some talent and maybe more importantly, a level of reverence to the source material.

[The Fake Shemp]

I suggest you read the Time article. It really counters everything you state
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1549299,00.html

This is where Phoenix Dark shows he knows nothing... again.  I hate these threads.

TIME is referring to the Splat Pack, which has absolutely nothing to do with Saw and for the most part, none of their films are related to Saw whatsoever.  The only one of them that's like Saw is Eli Roth's Hostel, which was in pre-production before Saw was released.

Zombie, Aja, Marshall and McLean make films they love from the 70s, not about lame torture crap.

After Saw's immense success, many studios started greenlighting similar movies. These are cheap movies that bring in millions; yeah, they make far more for studios than remakes do.

Horror films in general are cheap movies.  This has nothing to do with Saw.  The highest grossing horror films have been remakes, not these non-existant Saw knockoffs you're talking about.  There was never an explosion of cheap horror films being greenlit due to Saw, you're just seeing a new wave of directors hit the scene.

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

I've seen basically the whole second act oh HoOTC, and couldn't control my urge to change the channel any longer. There's style, and then there's crass overexageration, and Rob Zombie can't seem to differentiate between the two.*

*The same can be said of Wayne Kramer's Running Scared. All style, no substance.

[Phoenix Dark]

I suggest you read the Time article. It really counters everything you state
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1549299,00.html

This is where Phoenix Dark shows he knows nothing... again.  I hate these threads.

TIME is referring to the Splat Pack, which has absolutely nothing to do with Saw and for the most part, none of their films are related to Saw whatsoever.  The only one of them that's like Saw is Eli Roth's Hostel, which was in production before Saw was released.

Zombie, Aja, Marshall and McLean make films they love from the 70s, not about lame torture crap.

After Saw's immense success, many studios started greenlighting similar movies. These are cheap movies that bring in millions; yeah, they make far more for studios than remakes do.

Horror films in general are cheap movies.  This has nothing to do with Saw.  The highest grossing horror films have been remakes, not these non-existant Saw knockoffs you're talking about.  There was never an explosion of cheap horror films being greenlit due to Saw, you're just seeing a new wave of directors hit the scene.

Saw is included in the Splat Pack, according to the article; care to read it now? Thanks for showing how much of a pretendous ass you are, again

Hostel was in production before Saw? Are you sure? Saw came out in late 2004, while Hostel came out early this year. I know release date doesn't equal production time, but do you have a link or something?

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

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[The Fake Shemp]

Saw is included in the Splat Pack, according to the article; care to read it now? Thanks for showing how much of a pretendous ass you are, again

I read the article, but apparently you did not.  The Splat Pack refers to the new crop of directors (not films, moron) focusing on hyperviolent movies.  As listed, the majority are making 70s exploitation movies, not torture films.  Thanks for showing how much of an idiot you are, again

Hostel was in production before Saw? Are you sure? Saw came out in late 2004, while Hostel came out early this year. I know release date doesn't equal production time, but do you have a link or something?

Pre-production.  Roth was talking about Hostel shortly after Cabin Fever hit the mainstream.  He was supposed to make The Box first, but that fell apart.

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

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[Phoenix Dark]

Saw is included in the Splat Pack, according to the article; care to read it now? Thanks for showing how much of a pretendous ass you are, again

I read the article, but apparently you did not.  The Splat Pack refers to the new crop of directors (not films, moron) focusing on hyperviolent movies.  As listed, the majority are making 70s exploitation movies, not torture films.  Thanks for showing how much of an idiot you are, again

Hostel was in production before Saw? Are you sure? Saw came out in late 2004, while Hostel came out early this year. I know release date doesn't equal production time, but do you have a link or something?

Pre-production.  Roth was talking about Hostel shortly after Cabin Fever hit the mainstream.  He was supposed to make The Box first, but that fell apart.

I'll cede that to you fatass.

Seems like you were still wrong about this dittie lolz amirite:

Gory, torture films aren't really in.  They don't make a lot of bank.

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=hostel.htm
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=saw.htm (all the sequels preformed rather similarly)
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=devilsrejects.htm ($7mil? Hm I thought Zombie said it costed less than that)

[The Fake Shemp]

Do you want me to compare it to the numbers for the big Hollywood remakes like Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Dawn of the Dead, Amityville, The Ring, etc.?

You'll lose again.

Saw franchise + Hostel /= major Hollywood movement

The Devil's Rejects is also not a torture film, moron.  Please stop talking about stuff you don't know about.

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

PD stays losing

[Phoenix Dark]

PD stays losing

I'd rather be a loser who doesn't like gutter trash like BORATATATATATATAT

Willco: lolz

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

OUCHIEZ, MY FEELINGS


Ban this waste of e-space for good, Willco. The masses demand it!

[Christopher]

Shake when your in a glass house don't throw rocks and all that jazz...

Anyway the SAW movies were pretty good flicks IMO, I guess I'm the teen/college crowd they were appeasing too and it worked.

It made you think and was pretty clever with the twists at the end...2 sucked I'll admit that, but my god I've seen some crap horror flicks and Halloween, while classic, is no masterpiece by any means