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Stalag. A Documentary on Nazi-Themed Isreali Porn
« on: April 09, 2008, 11:43:30 AM »
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Stalags
April 9, 2008
Eyeing Pornography That Uses the Holocaust as Titillation
By LAURA KERN
Published: April 9, 2008

In early-1960s Israel pornographic, possibly anti-Semitic novels that detailed sensational tales of the torture and rape of male concentration camp prisoners by curvaceous female Nazi guards rapidly rose from marginal pulp reading to mass-market popularity.

Ari Libsker’s documentary “Stalags” is named for these pocket-size books, which were written under American pseudonyms in a style that suggested translation. (They were in fact done in Hebrew by Israeli writers, some of whom appear on screen.) The film examines the rise and fall of this short-lived craze and the doors it opened for discussing the Holocaust, a previously hush-hush subject in Israel.

The film also considers possible inspirations for the Stalags, from the 1961 trial of the high-ranking Nazi Adolf Eichmann, which exposed sexual abuse within concentration camps, to the works of K. Tzetnik, a Holocaust historian or fabricator, depending on whom you ask. (His books recounted similar atrocities.)

Preceding “Stalags” is Roee Rosen’s “Two Women and a Man,” an intriguing 16 minutes of trickery that offer a seemingly biographical portrait of a female artist and writer, and is a warm-up exercise in how society perceives indecency. “Stalags” carries this line of inquiry forward, cramming an overwhelming amount of information and ideas into its 63 minutes — not nearly enough time to explore satisfactorily all that it raises.

STALAGS

Opens on Wednesday in Manhattan.

Directed by Ari Libsker; in Hebrew, with English subtitles; directors of photography, Uri Levi and Dror Lebendiger; edited by Morris Ben-Mayor; produced by Mr. Libsker and Barak Heymann. Shown with a 16-minute Hebrew-language short film, Roee Rosen’s “Two Women and a Man,” at Film Forum, 209 West Houston Street, west of Avenue of the Americas, South Village. Running time: 1 hour 3 minutes. These films are not rated.
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« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2008, 11:44:28 AM »
longer article on the phenomena

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/06/world/middleeast/06stalags.html

Jerusalem Journal
Israel’s Unexpected Spinoff From a Holocaust Trial

JERUSALEM, Sept. 5 — It was one of Israel’s dirty little secrets. In the early 1960s, as Israelis were being exposed for the first time to the shocking testimonies of Holocaust survivors at the trial of Adolf Eichmann, a series of pornographic pocket books called Stalags, based on Nazi themes, became best sellers throughout the land.
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Read under the table by a generation of pubescent Israelis, often the children of survivors, the Stalags were named for the World War II prisoner-of-war camps in which they were set. The books told perverse tales of captured American or British pilots being abused by sadistic female SS officers outfitted with whips and boots. The plot usually ended with the male protagonists taking revenge, by raping and killing their tormentors.

After decades in dusty back rooms and closets, the Stalags, a peculiar Hebrew concoction of Nazism, sex and violence, are re-emerging in the public eye. And with them comes a rekindled debate on the cultural representation here of Nazism and the Holocaust, and whether they have been unduly mixed in with a kind of sexual perversion and voyeurism that has permeated even the school curriculum.

“I realized that the first Holocaust pictures I saw, as one who grew up here, were of naked women,” said Ari Libsker, whose documentary film “Stalags: Holocaust and Pornography in Israel” had its premiere at the Jerusalem Film Festival in July and is to be broadcast in October and shown in movie theaters. “We were in elementary school,” he noted. “I remember how embarrassed we were.”

Hanna Yablonka, a professor of history at Ben-Gurion University of the Negev, says the film highlights what she calls the “yellow aspects of nurturing the memory of the Holocaust.”

“Are we taking it into the realm of semipornography?” she asked. “The answer is, we are.”

The Stalags were practically the only pornography available in the Israeli society of the early 1960s, which was almost puritanical. They faded out almost as suddenly as they had appeared. Two years after the first edition was snatched up from kiosks around the central bus station in Tel Aviv, an Israeli court found the publishers guilty of disseminating pornography. The most famous Stalag, “I Was Colonel Schultz’s Private Bitch,” was deemed to have crossed all the lines of acceptability, prompting the police to try to hunt every copy down.

The Stalags went out of print and underground, circulating in specialty secondhand bookstores and among furtive groups of collectors.

Mr. Libsker’s 60-minute documentary puts the Stalags under a spotlight for the first time and exposes some uncomfortable truths. One is that the Stalags were a distinctly Israeli genre, created by Israeli publishers and penned by Israeli authors, although they had masqueraded as translations from English and were written in the first person as if they were genuine memoirs.

Until the Eichmann trial began in 1961, the voices of the Holocaust had hardly been heard in Israel. The survivors sensed the ambivalence of the old-timers who blamed them for not having emigrated in time, and questioned what immoral deeds they might have done in order to stay alive.

In the movie, the publisher of the first Stalag, Ezra Narkis, acknowledges that it was the trial, in all its sensational and often gory detail, that gave momentum to the genre.

More provocatively, the movie contends that Stalag pornography was but a popular extension of the writings of K. Tzetnik, the first author to tell the story of Auschwitz in Hebrew and a hero of the mainstream Holocaust literary canon. K. Tzetnik “opened the door,” and “the Stalag writers learned a lot from him,” Mr. Narkis said.

K. Tzetnik was a pseudonym for Yehiel Feiner De-Nur. The alias, short for the German for concentration camper, was meant to represent all survivors, a kind of Holocaust everyman. One of K. Tzetnik’s biggest literary successes, “Doll’s House,” published in 1953, told the story of a character purporting to be the author’s sister, serving the SS as a sex slave in Block 24, the notorious Pleasure Block in Auschwitz.

Though a Holocaust classic, many scholars now describe it as pornographic and likely made up.

"It was fiction," said Na'ama Shik, a researcher at Yad Vashem, The Holocaust Martyrs' and Heroes' Remembrance Authority. "There were no Jewish whores in Auschwitz."

Yet “Doll’s House” and other writings of K. Tzetnik, who died in 2001, are treated as historical fact by many in Israel, and are included in the high school curriculum. Mr. Libsker’s movie shows the vice principal of an Israeli school guiding a group of teenagers through Auschwitz, pointing out Block 24 and quoting from K. Tzetnik.

This approach to Holocaust education is being eschewed by an increasing number of Israeli academics. “The Holocaust was bad enough, without making things up,” Dr. Yablonka said.

Sidra Ezrahi, a professor of comparative Jewish literature at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, said, “His books were so graphic and so barbaric.” Maybe at first they had an important impact, she said. “But over time,” she added, “if this is what they have chosen to leave in the Israeli curriculum, it’s a scandal.”

For many Israelis, the most dramatic part of the Eichmann trial was the testimony of K. Tzetnik. His true identity was revealed for the first time on the witness stand, where he passed out. Simultaneously, the Stalags were reaching the peak of their commercial success.

Yechiel Szeintuch, a professor of Yiddish literature at the Hebrew University, rejects any link between the smutty Stalags and the writings of K. Tzetnik as “an original sin.” He insists K. Tzetnik’s work was based on reality.

But Mr. Libsker, 35, himself the grandson of Holocaust survivors, contends that it is the same mixture of “horror, sadism and pornography” that serves to perpetuate the memory of the Holocaust in the Israeli consciousness to this day.

Correction: September 7, 2007

The Jerusalem Journal article yesterday, about the pornographic pocket books with Nazi themes that were circulated in Israel in the 1960s, misquoted Na’ama Shik, a researcher at Yad Vashem, The Holocaust Martyrs’ and Heroes’ Remembrance Authority, regarding the pocket book “Doll’s House,” about a Jewish woman serving in a notorious brothel called Block 24 in Auschwitz. She said the book — not Block 24 — was fictional.
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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2008, 12:14:08 PM »
Nazi-themed Israeli porn books.


I see.
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« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2008, 12:14:58 PM »
if i mentioned "books" in the subject no one would have read the topic
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« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2008, 01:28:58 PM »
if i mentioned "books" in the subject no one would have read the topic

That's not true, TVC and I would have.  But we're connoisseurs, of course.
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« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2008, 02:55:11 PM »
I think I once heard that Israel has a really high atheist population.  This could be more of a cultural thing.

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« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2008, 03:54:34 PM »
Are there any links to said porn so we can, ummm, try to identify the authors biases? 
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« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2008, 04:33:24 PM »
The Israelis may have invented it, but it took the Americans to do it right.



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« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2008, 04:42:47 PM »
if i mentioned "books" in the subject no one would have read the topic

That's not true, TVC and I would have.  But we're connoisseurs, of course.

Connoisseurs of Jewish Nazi rape? 

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« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2008, 05:39:34 PM »
if i mentioned "books" in the subject no one would have read the topic

That's not true, TVC and I would have.  But we're connoisseurs, of course.

Connoisseurs of Jewish Nazi rape? 

Jesus FUCK Arvie, no.  What's WRONG with you?  We're connoisseurs of exploitation, of course.
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« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2008, 05:43:12 PM »
Man, I need to finish watching those Ilsa movies.

What should I watch tonight, Ilsa (pick one of the movies, I have the three official ones) or Shameless.  Or There Will Be Blood, but there's no way that can offer the pure trash that I want.
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« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2008, 05:47:48 PM »
Man, I need to finish watching those Ilsa movies.

What should I watch tonight, Ilsa (pick one of the movies, I have the three official ones) or Shameless.  Or There Will Be Blood, but there's no way that can offer the pure trash that I want.

the only ilsa worth watching is really the first one

by the time you get to the opecsploitation of shiek it's just....horrible and boring
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« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2008, 05:49:06 PM »
Ilsa, She Wolf of The Kmher would be something worth watching.  fucking daughters with their father's femur which had been carved into a dildo or something.

A Killing Field of Little Deaths.  That's what I'd call it
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« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2008, 05:54:13 PM »
I think I've said before that Ilsa has a very impressive resume.  A very progressive woman, she was.  She's worked for the Nazis, the commies, the arabs, and as a mental health professional.
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« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2008, 06:42:20 PM »
well the thing is that you can have her be anything you want her to be

what would be awesome would be the memiors of ilsa which would really act as a history of american fears throughout the 20th century.

yellow peril
labor unions
the rich
the hun
the jew
the hun again
the commies
the negro
opec
the japanese
hussein
al queda
then you circle it back to the yellow menace AGAIN and show how it's all the same bullshit and we don't even have the decency to pretend that it's new or different and that american fears are wildly irrational
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« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2008, 06:42:57 PM »
BOY I WISH I HAD THE GODDAMN ATTENTION SPAN TO WRITE SOME OF MY IDEAS TO SOME SORT OF FUCKING FRUITION

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« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2008, 06:47:45 PM »
BOY I WISH I HAD THE GODDAMN ATTENTION SPAN TO WRITE SOME OF MY IDEAS TO SOME SORT OF FUCKING FRUITION

You're telling me.  The other day I came up with a cool Doctor Who plot involving Harlan Ellison.  The Doctor, circa 2008, buys one of Ellison's books to read in the TARDIS during his travels.  Then during a trip to the Restoration, the Doctor gives the book to someone/loses the book.  In the intervening several centuries, the book becomes a classic for all ages.  Upon returning to roughly the present time, Harlan Ellison sues the Doctor for making him famous before he was alive, thus preventing him from benefiting from the sales of his book.

I almost started to write it, until I realized I was about to write Doctor Who fanfic.
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« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2008, 06:49:46 PM »
that's actually really clever

i was just thinking of harlan ellison today.

someone saw me reading a book of matheson short stories and asked me if i read any ellison.  i said i had, but that his current persona had really turned me off to his writing, but confessed i would be purchasing the new edition of Harlan Ellison's Watching, because it contains several worth while essays on Television.
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« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2008, 06:57:58 PM »
The original idea was to have Doctor Who go on some sort of adventure with the new wave of science fiction authors as a group sort of thing.  One of the episodes this season features the Doctor hanging out with Agatha Christie, and one last year had him and Shakespeare, and the one before that, Dickens.  So I figured why not SF for his next literary adventure?
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« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2008, 08:03:31 PM »
i liked the dickens episode.

i thought it was really well done on several levels.

why not have him meet alan moore.

moore would just stare at him for a half hour then point his finger at the doctor and say "i fucking knew it"
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« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2008, 03:22:23 PM »
i liked the dickens episode.

i thought it was really well done on several levels.

why not have him meet alan moore.

moore would just stare at him for a half hour then point his finger at the doctor and say "i fucking knew it"

I was a big fan of both the Shakespeare and Dickens episodes. Very well done Doctor Who episodes.
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« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2008, 03:34:52 PM »
i only watched the first series (i think) and it just wasn't for me
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« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2008, 01:23:15 PM »
someone saw me reading a book of matheson short stories and asked me if i read any ellison.  i said i had, but that his current persona had really turned me off to his writing, but confessed i would be purchasing the new edition of Harlan Ellison's Watching, because it contains several worth while essays on Television.

I actually had the same discussion with Keith earlier. I /loved/ Ellison in HS and college, but his intervening behavior has crossed the line from "loveably cantankerous old man" to "real fuckhead." That said, I can't deny his writing. DOUBLE STANDARDS!
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« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2008, 01:24:17 PM »
separating the artist from the art is hard sometimes

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« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2008, 01:28:07 PM »
I'm totally hypocritical about it, too - I refuse to entertain the idea that anything Orson Scott Card writes has any value whatsoever

part of that is because his work is kind of schlocky, so it's easier to dismiss

another part I guess is that it's easier for me to deal with personal character flaws than political ones.
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« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2008, 01:30:47 PM »
i really dislike orson scott card as well

ender's game drives me up the wall
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« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2008, 01:32:19 PM »
any time there's a "recommend good SF" thread and everyone starts an Ender's Game pile on I want to set fire to the Internet
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« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2008, 01:38:42 PM »
i try to tell people it's the "secret princess" story but for boys.  no one listens.

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« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2008, 01:40:33 PM »
Harry Potter is the secret princess story for boys!

What I hate about Ender's Game is that it's self-insertion fanfic. The reader is supposed to go, "man, I was smart and had no friends when I was a kid too, but if I lived in the future, Ender would have been my friend!" In fact that trope is so disgustingly obvious that Card wrote that entire additional series of books about Bean, Ender's bestest friendest.

guhhhhhhhhh
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