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Re: This Obama bitter stuff
« Reply #60 on: April 13, 2008, 01:13:18 AM »
Ford = shitty company = shitty engineers

If we take Malek's use of women interest in men as a mate as a gauge of status then it not only matters what career you have but where you work and your job title is.

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Re: This Obama bitter stuff
« Reply #61 on: April 13, 2008, 01:26:14 AM »
I agree, although I doubt many women would dismiss a guy because he's an accountant. Accountants get paid a lot of money, and it's one of the easiest and best paying jobs you can get out of college. Me, Cheebs, and FA will be stacking paper in a few years :bow
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Re: This Obama bitter stuff
« Reply #62 on: April 13, 2008, 01:56:16 AM »
I agree, although I doubt many women would dismiss a guy because he's an accountant. Accountants get paid a lot of money, and it's one of the easiest and best paying jobs you can get out of college. Me, Cheebs, and FA will be stacking paper in a few years :bow
But it's so fucking boring! I tried to do that shit and quit after the intro course. Blech.
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Re: This Obama bitter stuff
« Reply #63 on: April 13, 2008, 02:05:17 AM »
Accounting is for the people who don't have real skills
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Re: This Obama bitter stuff
« Reply #64 on: April 13, 2008, 03:32:34 AM »
I might have to learn something about accounting this year, because I might be RUNNING A COMPANY.  God help us all.
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Re: This Obama bitter stuff
« Reply #65 on: April 13, 2008, 06:39:14 AM »
Small town america's belief in guns and religion based on economics beliefs?

Well, rednecks can use guns to steal from businesses, and the church tells them that if they give to God they will get it back tenfold when they never, ever do. Sounds accurate to me (it's a stretch, but yeah)
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Re: This Obama bitter stuff
« Reply #66 on: April 13, 2008, 11:38:56 AM »
Looks like what he said in frisco was just a shortened version of this:

[youtube=425,350]6oGF3cyHE7M[/youtube]

It'd be nice if he remembered that he was actually on a campaign, and stopped trying to shorten sentences in ways that keep blowing up in his face. Just say the whole thing!

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Re: This Obama bitter stuff
« Reply #67 on: April 13, 2008, 01:44:12 PM »
Malek sounds pretty bitter to me
There's no doubt that I'm bitter; however, I'm not delusional enough to believe that my lack of success with women has anything to do with my lack of a decent career. Most of the women my age really don't care about that too much yet.

I agree, although I doubt many women would dismiss a guy because he's an accountant.
Accounting is not a negative, but it's not a positive either! Other high status jobs are.

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Re: This Obama bitter stuff
« Reply #68 on: April 13, 2008, 01:56:47 PM »
It's a shame you use your bitterness as an excuse to fall back on drug use, atheism, and baby sacrificing  :'(
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Re: This Obama bitter stuff
« Reply #69 on: April 13, 2008, 02:21:46 PM »
Peedee explain why my posts are important enough to post on GAF.  :lol

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Re: This Obama bitter stuff
« Reply #70 on: April 13, 2008, 05:45:21 PM »
Can't wait for the debate Wed. 


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Re: This Obama bitter stuff
« Reply #71 on: April 13, 2008, 10:22:34 PM »
in the spirit of pd's forwarding foc's comments to gaf, here's a comment from Jim Henley on his blog that's germane to foc's absurd attempt to board this "controversy":

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In fact, though, and truth value aside, because I don’t buy the strong version of Obama’s causal argument, the two cases make an interesting contrast that reflects very poorly on Ron Paul.

In each case, you have a political leader speaking to an in-group audience about an out-group. Obama tells the in-group, You should be more sympathetic to the out-group for reasons already contained within our ideology. Contrariwise, Paul goes out of the way to flatter the in-group for their hostility toward the out-group and even to foster it. (If you can possibly move away from those scary black people, do it before they kill you!) Paul’s team could have done exactly what Obama did - provide a sympathetic analysis of the out-group rooted in his own putative beliefs about the proper role of government. But when your main purpose is to dupe Willis Carto’s loser list out of its spare cash, you can’t afford to do that. A sympathetic argument from Paul’s team would have risked sounding patronizing, just as Obama’s remarks can be taken as patronizing, yes. But sounding patronizing is not as bad as, like Lew Rockwell was doing under his own name at the time, advocating that police should be encouraged to beat members of the out-group as part of their official function.
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Re: This Obama bitter stuff
« Reply #72 on: April 14, 2008, 01:26:31 AM »
And FoC won't know what to think when he finds out that...


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Henley's a libertarian!  Dun-dun-DUNNNNNNNNNNN
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Re: This Obama bitter stuff
« Reply #73 on: April 14, 2008, 01:48:20 AM »
And I'll reciprocate by linking to this post and this followup on Obama using the language of mediation.

I think tennin's right in 35 (though as a dirty, un-American Marxist OF COURSE he thinks the ruling class are using cultural divisions to pit the workers against each other).  Obama's campaign has largely been about trying to build a coalition that includes demographics that have been traditionally opposed to each other in American politics, instead of exploiting the animosities that are already in place.

He does it by acknowledging that everyone's had it rough, and that while the tribalist reactions are understandable, they're ultimately destructive and that a broader commitment to social welfare would be a much better, fairer solution.

I don't think a single person or campaign can re-align American politics to that degree, but he's right on the merits and it's probably a winning strategy for a liberal party in the long term.

Or any party.  The GOP's been banking on pale ressentiment for years, and it's biting them in the ass now.  They've hit peak honkey and the demographics aren't going to get better for them any time soon.

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Re: This Obama bitter stuff
« Reply #74 on: April 14, 2008, 02:21:32 AM »
And FoC won't know what to think when he finds out that...


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Henley's a libertarian!  Dun-dun-DUNNNNNNNNNNN
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I dont even know who henley is, but he posts on Gaf so hes probably homo.

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Re: This Obama bitter stuff
« Reply #75 on: April 14, 2008, 02:44:06 AM »
And FoC won't know what to think when he finds out that...


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Henley's a libertarian!  Dun-dun-DUNNNNNNNNNNN
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I dont even know who henley is, but he posts on Gaf so hes probably homo.

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Re: This Obama bitter stuff
« Reply #76 on: April 14, 2008, 03:25:33 AM »
sniper fire etc etc..
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Re: This Obama bitter stuff
« Reply #77 on: April 14, 2008, 07:10:50 PM »
Mandark: Love that blog you linked to, thanks.  The second post makes me think of Obama as Flora in Cold Comfort Farm.  I'd like to think social reform could work that way, but as a dirty Marxist I sort of can't.  Still, it's clear that his talk of unity etc. is something very different and more interesting than typical talk of bipartisanship, and that's something I took a long time to realize.
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Re: This Obama bitter stuff
« Reply #78 on: April 14, 2008, 07:37:59 PM »
wow, I somehow missed that there's been a brouhaha over the fact that Obama went to a diner and was offered coffee and asked for OJ instead. apparently this makes him "elitist" because coffee is the drink of the common man. HOW CAN ORANGE JUICE BE ELITIST. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH OUR MEDIA.
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Re: This Obama bitter stuff
« Reply #79 on: April 14, 2008, 07:43:12 PM »
what?

i'm not tuned into the 24 hour newscycle so i miss this stuff

so i went and looked it up

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Summary: On Hardball, while remarking on Sen. Barack Obama's reported request for orange juice after being offered coffee at an Indiana diner, David Shuster asserted: "t's just one of those sort of weird things. You know, when the owner of the diner says, 'Here, have some coffee,' you say, 'Yes, thank you,' and, 'Oh, can I also please have some orange juice, in addition to this?' You don't just say, 'No, I'll take orange juice,' and then turn away and start shaking hands." Host Chris Matthews agreed, "You don't ask for a substitute on the menu."

"have some coffee"

"no.  i'll have the duck l'orange, but with the barest hint of mint within the glaze."
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Re: This Obama bitter stuff
« Reply #80 on: April 14, 2008, 07:44:25 PM »
"no.  i'll have the duck l'orange, but with the barest hint of mint within the glaze."

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Re: This Obama bitter stuff
« Reply #81 on: April 14, 2008, 07:48:50 PM »
"Orange...juice? Sorry, I've never visited Martha's Vineyard, I know not of what you speak."
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Re: This Obama bitter stuff
« Reply #82 on: April 14, 2008, 07:50:23 PM »
Things change.

A century ago, the stronghold of socialism was in Oklahoma.  Before that, it was Kansas.

I think reaching out to the rural communities is essential.  A lot of them are drowning in many aspects and the policy of most politicians is to leave it untouched.  As economic opportunities in these downs dwindle from little to none, we're going to see dramatic changes.  I think we're already seeing it in a lot of places.  Living in Iowa, it seems like whenever industries closed up shop, meth labs went right in.  Although I am glad that meth labs are starting to decrease in number there, it is still a big issue.  I have personally seen towns that have been destroyed due to it.

The GOP essentially relies on the fact that the Democrats will focus more on urban issues and let the rural issues be handed to the GOP.  I would like to see the return of social policy that affects all Americans, not just people in cities.  Few Democrats have done enough to convince rural communities that they are worth voting for.  At best, their support is half assed, making it easy for the GOP to clean up with blue collar workers and rural communities.

Although it is getting to the point where people are more concerned about living paycheck to paycheck rather than guns and abortion.  Financial needs are quickly trumping GOP issues.  Obama's idea of unity is treading into uncertain waters as things have been this way since the Southern strategy of 1968.  Which is why I support Obama, who is at least making the effort to reach to more voters than in the past, where Democrats just relied on coastal states, swing states, and let the GOP have the rest.
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« Reply #83 on: April 14, 2008, 07:50:46 PM »
"no.  i'll have the duck l'orange, but with the barest hint of mint within the glaze."

(Image removed from quote.)

do you even know who that is?
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« Reply #84 on: April 14, 2008, 07:55:41 PM »
"no.  i'll have the duck l'orange, but with the barest hint of mint within the glaze."

(Image removed from quote.)

do you even know who that is?

Frank Sinatra?
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Re: This Obama bitter stuff
« Reply #85 on: April 14, 2008, 07:55:51 PM »
it's all thanks to TVC.  Word got out.
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« Reply #86 on: April 14, 2008, 07:56:45 PM »
also while his quote sounds bad out of context, in context it's entirely accurate

people's lives suck and they are angry about it

NO SHIT

pretending that people are plucky and cheerful about outsourcing and downsizing and poverty is fucking distinguished mentally-challenged
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« Reply #87 on: April 14, 2008, 07:56:55 PM »
"no.  i'll have the duck l'orange, but with the barest hint of mint within the glaze."

(Image removed from quote.)

do you even know who that is?

Stop being an elitist.

that man was a spy in his majesty's service and a virulent anti-fascist who met with our president to try and figure out how to get america to help stop the nazis.

and also gave us this

[youtube=425,350]vdEnxNog56E[/youtube]
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« Reply #88 on: April 14, 2008, 08:06:46 PM »
i'm actually kind of glad i did what you said because this post is amazing


http://mysticbourgeoisie.blogspot.com/2006_08_01_archive.html
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« Reply #89 on: April 14, 2008, 08:34:35 PM »
this whole blog is amazing
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Re: This Obama bitter stuff
« Reply #90 on: April 16, 2008, 02:29:29 AM »
Mandark: Love that blog you linked to, thanks.  The second post makes me think of Obama as Flora in Cold Comfort Farm.  I'd like to think social reform could work that way, but as a dirty Marxist I sort of can't.  Still, it's clear that his talk of unity etc. is something very different and more interesting than typical talk of bipartisanship, and that's something I took a long time to realize.

Funny you mentioning that.  I've been wanting to post a "Shocking new footage of Obama's minister!" thread with an embedded youtube of Ian McKellan from the movie version preaching hellfire and damnation.  Unfortunately the masses are too lazy/uncultured to have uploaded one already and I'm too lazy/tech averse to do it myself.

Also, I went through about the same thing with Obama.  The rhetoric echoed David Broder and Ignatius too much for my tastes, but if you listen it turns out there's a coherent message behind it, and it's not Joe Lieberman's.