The AV Club almost tells it like it is re: Stone Temple Pilots

[TVC15]

http://www.avclub.com/content/blog/stone_temple_pilots_theyre

I don't agree with everything they say, exactly, but I do think there is something to the point that STP would be more respected today if they debuted either 5 years earlier or 5 years later.  I've been listening to a bit of STP the past few weeks (I got the urge to listen to the singles from Tiny Music, and within a day I acquired their whole library).  Their second and third albums are pretty much all around great rock albums, and the first one is pretty good, too.  Their last two albums aren't as good in comparison, but not many straightforward rock bands have more than a few great albums in them.

[Eric P]

they really came out at the wrong time.

but without that time being the way it was, they wouldn't have been signed

conundrum

[demi]

Support STP by buying their songs on Rock Band!!!11

[Mr. Gundam]

I want a print version of The Onion in Seattle, even if it's just a supplement in The Stranger. I loved seeing little newspaper vending boxes for it all over the D.C.

[TVC15]

I want a print version of The Onion in Seattle, even if it's just a supplement in The Stranger. I loved seeing little newspaper vending boxes for it all over the D.C.

I'm sure you already know, but The Stranger was started by one of The Onion's co-founders.

[Mr. Gundam]

I want a print version of The Onion in Seattle, even if it's just a supplement in The Stranger. I loved seeing little newspaper vending boxes for it all over the D.C.

I'm sure you already know, but The Stranger was started by one of The Onion's co-founders.

Yeah, I had heard that in the past. But, it would still be cool to get a print version of The Onion itself.

[Eric P]

Is that Noel Coward?

indeed.

anti-fascist spy who helped get america into the second world war.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/13/books/review/Koch-t.html?scp=1&sq=noel+coward&st=nyt

[DJ_Tet]

I'm not the biggest STP fan (there are some crazies out there) but I always thought the two singles off of Tiny Music should have been bigger hits than they were.  I felt like people kind of turned STP off by then due to the overplaying of the Purple songs (Interstate Love Song) and the various versions of Creep.  Also, at that time there was a ton of news about Weiland's drug habit and after the suicide of Cobain 'heroin-chic' went out of style.

I actually fired up Tiny Music a couple of months ago and really got into it.  I used to be a big Core fan and it's aged pretty well, particularly Wicked Garden.  And obviously, Purple and Tiny Music are great albums.  I've never heard the other two albums, though.

[Tauntaun]

We're all just flies in the vasoline. 

[TVC15]

I thought Tiny Music was their best album, at the time, but I think DJ_tet is correct in regards to Purple being kinda overexposed and Weiland's drug habit getting kinda prominent as being the things that had a negative impact on the third album's reception.

[DJ_Tet]

You have to remember at the time that not only was Interstate Love Song on Purple, but it was also the key track on The Crow soundtrack.  So that got played into the ground, as did Vasoline which was in heavy MTV rotation. 

[Bloodwake]

Everything I've heard about STP supports that they would actually be more respected if they just arrived at a later time.

[Eric P]

Is that Noel Coward?

indeed.

anti-fascist spy who helped get america into the second world war.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/13/books/review/Koch-t.html?scp=1&sq=noel+coward&st=nyt

I read that the other day. I was actually quite surprised about it.

me too.  i loved it.

just the idea. of all the people to be spies.

[DJ_Tet]

Everything I've heard about STP supports that they would actually be more respected if they just arrived at a later time.

The article does a great job of detailing why they didn't get respect out of the box.  On their first album Weiland sounds like a poor man's Eddie Vedder.  It's that simple, especially on their breakthrough single Creep.  Once a band is tagged as a rip-off, it's nearly impossible to shed that tag. 

In fact, can anyone think of a situation where the rip-off actually succeeded the originator?  Prince always sold less than MJ, Dave Clark 5 less than the Beatles,  STP less than Nirvana/Pearl Jam,  Poison less than Def Leppard lol

[demi]

There was a uer on GAF, called the Noel Coward Parody or something

[Phoenix Dark]

Prince...Michael Jackson? Explain please

[TVC15]

I liked this from the comments to that article:

"In a further grab at auteur-cred circa 'Sour Girl', Weiland started transforming himself into a living Egon Schiele painting "

And it's kinda true!

[youtube=425,350]JZB_QdjUrOE[/youtube]

GIS yourself up some Schiele pics.  Most of them aren't work safe.

[DJ_Tet]

Prince...Michael Jackson? Explain please

I never said the comparisons were valid in any way, just that they were made by the collective conscious.

[CajoleJuice]

Man, the A.V. Club is spot-on almost all the fucking time.

STP is awesome. As a teenager, I loved Core the most, and hated Tiny Music. Now, I like pretty much all their stuff, but of course acknowledge that they fell off after Tiny Music. I now love Tiny Music just as much as their first two albums, and think Purple is my favorite.

Also, I think the negative reception of the third album had to do with the shift in their sound. At least that's how I felt as a dumb teenager. I thought it was poppy shit.