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Howard Alan Treesong

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Re: Indiana! North Carolina! Fight!
« Reply #120 on: May 07, 2008, 03:35:32 AM »
After 8 years of 'Im the president, suck on this' im not sure I can deal with it much longer

same - Hillary's GWBesque dismissal of "economists" as "elites" who she won't listen to was pretty much the final straw for me

listen to people. work with people. get stuff done. "my way or the highway" usually means taking the highway with the Repubs in town
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« Reply #121 on: May 07, 2008, 03:36:13 AM »
especially given that hillary's more likely to crooked up a bill for the support of her buds in the backrooms. have you seen the resume of insider groups she consorts with? even if they have a similar platform, which one is more likely to actually follow through on a progressive agenda, instead of selling us out wholesale to military-industrial set? who wants to nuke iran?
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« Reply #122 on: May 07, 2008, 03:55:29 AM »
I think that's a (very common) misreading of Obama's rhetoric, Frag.

Yeah, he uses "unity" a lot, but he's not badgering the Democratic party to move to the right, like Al Gore circa 1988 or any DLC candidate circa always.  In his book (which I haven't read; damned if I pay for a glorified campaign pamphlet) he explicitly dismisses the idea of compromise as good for its own sake.

What he's talked about is building a big popular coalition that will elect a governing majority and create enough pressure to overcome the interest groups he sees as being big obstacles.

Hillary's take is that powerful interest groups are intrinsic to the process, so the best way to get things done is to move them like chess pieces.  When she was asked how she'd get healthcare passed, she listed the lobbying groups that she'd get on her side to counter the insurance and pharmaceutical companies.

Maybe Obama's approach is naive and impractical, but it's sure as hell not based on capitulation.

Plus it has to be a better approach in the long term for a progressive agenda.  Big corporate interests only have as much political power as they're accorded by government officials.  If you accept that they have to be appeased to get something done, you're making a HUGE concession.

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Re: Indiana! North Carolina! Fight!
« Reply #123 on: May 07, 2008, 03:56:27 AM »
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« Reply #124 on: May 07, 2008, 03:58:40 AM »
I kinda think the "Hillary looks scary!" bit is sexist.

Well, I KNOW it's sexist.  "Kinda" represents my level of disapproval.

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Re: Indiana! North Carolina! Fight!
« Reply #125 on: May 07, 2008, 03:59:00 AM »
oh look, she's waving bye to the nomination

the NOM NOM NOM ination

sorry, I'm a little drunk

Anyways, GOBAMA. Hillary definitely smelled what Barack was cooking tonight.
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Re: Indiana! North Carolina! Fight!
« Reply #126 on: May 07, 2008, 03:59:15 AM »
My problem with hillary is when she makes faces like that iit reminds me of my stepmom, who I hate
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Re: Indiana! North Carolina! Fight!
« Reply #127 on: May 07, 2008, 03:59:36 AM »
I personally feel the "us vs. them" rhetoric of the last 15 years is the most destructive thing about the American political system. Right now, our government is swinging back and forth wildly between two patronage systems. You're either part of the Republican patronage machine or the Democratic patronage machine. And whether it's viable or not, I greatly appreciate Obama's refusal to play the game.
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Re: Indiana! North Carolina! Fight!
« Reply #128 on: May 07, 2008, 04:00:06 AM »
I kinda think the "Hillary looks scary!" bit is sexist.

Well, I KNOW it's sexist.  "Kinda" represents my level of disapproval.

it has nothing to do with her being a woman and everything to do with her looking scary!

her jaw is, like, completely detatched
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Re: Indiana! North Carolina! Fight!
« Reply #129 on: May 07, 2008, 04:00:58 AM »
I kinda think the "Hillary looks scary!" bit is sexist.

Well, I KNOW it's sexist.  "Kinda" represents my level of disapproval.

it has nothing to do with her being a woman and everything to do with her looking scary!

her jaw is, like, completely detatched

http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=20466.0
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Re: Indiana! North Carolina! Fight!
« Reply #130 on: May 07, 2008, 04:03:58 AM »
I personally feel the "us vs. them" rhetoric of the last 15 years is the most destructive thing about the American political system. Right now, our government is swinging back and forth wildly between two patronage systems. You're either part of the Republican patronage machine or the Democratic patronage machine. And whether it's viable or not, I greatly appreciate Obama's refusal to play the game.

Me too.
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Re: Indiana! North Carolina! Fight!
« Reply #131 on: May 07, 2008, 04:20:25 AM »
Wait does Obama have the nomination in the bag?
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« Reply #132 on: May 07, 2008, 04:39:48 AM »
I don't think "us vs. them" partisan rhetoric is that new or that destructive.  Partisanship is inevitable in a democracy.  People are meant to argue about things that they disagree on and there are a lot of genuine disagreements that people feel very strongly about.

However, "us vs. them" rhetoric based on ethnic and cultural lines is just incredibly shitty.  The scapegoating of queers/immigrants/Muslims really pisses me off.

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Re: Indiana! North Carolina! Fight!
« Reply #133 on: May 07, 2008, 04:51:05 AM »
I don't think "us vs. them" partisan rhetoric is that new or that destructive.  Partisanship is inevitable in a democracy.  People are meant to argue about things that they disagree on and there are a lot of genuine disagreements that people feel very strongly about.

However, "us vs. them" rhetoric based on ethnic and cultural lines is just incredibly shitty.  The scapegoating of queers/immigrants/Muslims really pisses me off.

Especially when there are perfectly good Idiot Teenagers From Michigan just waiting to be scapegoated.
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Re: Indiana! North Carolina! Fight!
« Reply #134 on: May 07, 2008, 10:26:19 AM »
Wait does Obama have the nomination in the bag?

Not completely, but it would be hard for Hillary to win at this point.
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Re: Indiana! North Carolina! Fight!
« Reply #135 on: May 07, 2008, 11:26:21 AM »
After 8 years of 'Im the president, suck on this' im not sure I can deal with it much longer

same - Hillary's GWBesque dismissal of "economists" as "elites" who she won't listen to was pretty much the final straw for me

listen to people. work with people. get stuff done. "my way or the highway" usually means taking the highway with the Repubs in town

especially given that hillary's more likely to crooked up a bill for the support of her buds in the backrooms. have you seen the resume of insider groups she consorts with? even if they have a similar platform, which one is more likely to actually follow through on a progressive agenda, instead of selling us out wholesale to military-industrial set? who wants to nuke iran?

Yes.

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Re: Indiana! North Carolina! Fight!
« Reply #136 on: May 07, 2008, 03:13:14 PM »
Supers are startin to move over. McGovern just said he's switchin to Obama
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Re: Indiana! North Carolina! Fight!
« Reply #137 on: May 07, 2008, 03:17:16 PM »
Oh shit, someone is dumb:

North Carolina Rep. Heath Shuler is throwing his superdelegate endorsement to Clinton. Note that Shuler said he would back whomever won his congressional district. Clinton was widely expected to win the district (CD-11), which borders Tennesse. She did so -- by 13 points.

Shuler is one of the most conservative Democrats in Congress and won election to CD-11 as part of the Democratic wave in 2006 .
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Re: Indiana! North Carolina! Fight!
« Reply #138 on: May 07, 2008, 03:18:05 PM »
Drudge..
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CONGRESSIONAL SOURCE: Hillary having trouble finding superdelegates who will meet with her... 'No one wants to see her today'... Developing...


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Re: Indiana! North Carolina! Fight!
« Reply #139 on: May 07, 2008, 03:21:23 PM »
haha BRRRRN
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Re: Indiana! North Carolina! Fight!
« Reply #140 on: May 07, 2008, 03:35:09 PM »
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A determined Clinton tells reporters in West Virginia she has no plans of bowing out:
“It’s still early…. This is a dynamic electoral environment.”

“I feel really good coming off our victory in Indiana… It’s a new day, it’s a new state, it’s a new election.”
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Re: Indiana! North Carolina! Fight!
« Reply #141 on: May 07, 2008, 04:20:11 PM »
NO ONE wants to see her today.  Bow out.  It's over.  Let's get on with the main event.
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Re: Indiana! North Carolina! Fight!
« Reply #142 on: May 07, 2008, 05:04:36 PM »
Im afraid of all the pissed off women that will vote for mccain cuz obama didnt let hillary win!
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« Reply #143 on: May 07, 2008, 05:09:08 PM »
Oh shit, someone is dumb:

North Carolina Rep. Heath Shuler is throwing his superdelegate endorsement to Clinton. Note that Shuler said he would back whomever won his congressional district. Clinton was widely expected to win the district (CD-11), which borders Tennesse. She did so -- by 13 points.

Shuler is one of the most conservative Democrats in Congress and won election to CD-11 as part of the Democratic wave in 2006 .

Heath Shuler disappoints?

Willco and I are SHOCKED at this news.

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Re: Indiana! North Carolina! Fight!
« Reply #144 on: May 07, 2008, 05:09:57 PM »
Im afraid of all the pissed off women that will vote for mccain cuz obama didnt let hillary win!

raoul duke made a good point about that: it's unlikely that many of these uber feminist women who fought all their life for abortion/women's right are going to sit back and let a conservative win. granted a few of the real crazy ones will stay home but i think most will fall in line and vote in their best interest
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« Reply #145 on: May 07, 2008, 05:11:39 PM »
Oh shit, someone is dumb:

North Carolina Rep. Heath Shuler is throwing his superdelegate endorsement to Clinton. Note that Shuler said he would back whomever won his congressional district. Clinton was widely expected to win the district (CD-11), which borders Tennesse. She did so -- by 13 points.

Shuler is one of the most conservative Democrats in Congress and won election to CD-11 as part of the Democratic wave in 2006 .

Heath Shuler disappoints?

Willco and I are SHOCKED at this news.

<3 Heath
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« Reply #146 on: May 07, 2008, 05:16:57 PM »
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