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Merrick prefaced the review with this:

" There was definitely a screening of CRYSTAL SKULL within the last day or two...we know this for certain, and presumably this is how ShogunMaster saw it. I'm told by other AICN staff members (don't know if he wants his name formally associated with this info) that other people have contacted him from the same screening & that their feedback has been 'uniformly rough'. "

.... and this is from fans, which have a tendency to salivate over any geek thing!  On to the review.

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Well, I haven't seen a review of this yet and having seen the movie this morning, I feel I'm as qualified as anyone to post a quick reaction to it.

In short, this is the Indiana Movie that you were dreading. I remember seeing the two trailers and though I was excited to see the old man in action again, I was kind of worried that they seemed to be missing 'something'. That something was tension. During the whole of the movie, there was not a single moment that I thought our hero Mr. Jones (actually Colonel Jones as he was a hero in WWII now) was in any sort of peril or even significant inconvenience. In most cases, you were so many steps ahead of the characters that it was really just an arduous wait for them to get through it.


HERE WE GO WITH SOME SPOILERS!

Well, sadly the hopes of seeing Abner Ravenwood were unfounded. Though we do get to see the big Ark weilding warehouse again (it's Area 51 just incase you were unsure), the Ark is not the main object that they are there for (they do show it ofcourse; ya gots ta). LeBeef is ofcourse Indy's son. And other than quick references to Indy's Dad and Marcus (both dead) there isn't much to link with the the old stuff.

The storyline is basically about an alien corpse from some crash in some town call Roswell, that has magnetic properties that may or may not be the ultimate weapon in the future. The Nazi's are replaced by the Soviets who are obviously bad and want said weapon to do bad things with. The alien corpse prize is replaced with the crystal skull from the corpse (the actual skeleton of aliens is crystaline, and the Crystal Skull is literally an alien's remains) and chases and such ensue as they try to figure out how to 'Return' the skull to the Lost City of Gold and let it's supernatural abilities run rampant.

I found it funny that they mentioned the Lost City of Gold as it accidentally referenced the old Allen Quartermaine days (a crappy knockoff of Indy Movies incase you missed them) and this was very much similar in most respects. The big problem with the movie is that the traps or perilous moments are completely ass-inine and ridiculous. From a quicksand trap that Indy has time to yack on about, to being saved from said trap by LeBeef using a snake as a rope.

BTW, this snake is as crappy as a Mad TV prop when they don't CG it up, and that is another failing of this movie. The fake stuff doesn't mix with the real stuff at all. In the opening scenes where they are outside of the warehouse and Indy is pulled out of the trunk of the car (you'll recall the previews), they go from a real outdoors set to a fake indoors soundstage (pretending to be still outside). The jungle chase in the duck amphibious vehicles (I wonder if those will go in water at one point or not?...) looks like the whole jungle was made of plastic.

And then we go with the actual acting and characters. Well, everyone will be pleased to hear that LeBeef was horrible. He'd start crying about skeletal remains representing people that had died thousands of years ago (boohoo). Once Indy figures out Beef's heritage, he is non-stop complimentary towards every non-screwup thing he does (they would pause for mugs of adulation; just horrible). The Double Agent dude is comically horrible.

Marion was actually really great when she was first introduced (about half way) and she and Indy have some good banter. But after that five minutes, she was sporting a big muggy smile as they continued on their adventure and she was never scared, worried, or nervous, even with the stupid moments that she tries to help (duck in a tree; you will cringe when you see it...). Cate Blanchett wasn't overly horrible, but her characters' abilities of psychic prowess were never successfully used and she whenever she caught Indy she was never really intimidating or bad.

And then we have Indy himself. He has a few lines that work and a million that don't. He just never shows signs of worry or distress. Again, no Tension. He also has a weird tendancy to help the bad guys figure out the clues; never figured out why.

Anyway, I don't want to rant on forever, as it doesn't matter what I say, you will see this movie regardless. And even though it's not as bad as Allan Quartermane, it's definitely not a good Indy Movie. But for those of you that feel that the new Star Wars Movies robbed your childhood, expect some molestations from Uncles' George and Steven...

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What exactly are people expecting from this movie? The classic indy movies are pulp action movies of the matinée sort, with charming characters and charming script.

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I think people are expecting an Indy film as good as the other ones.
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i thought that having drunk from the holy grail it made indy's father immortal
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No, he died... off screen!  Lame story device total.

He wasn't immortal to cancer.
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:piss indiana jones trilogy

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I thought you didn't like AICN.

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if you drank from the grail you only remained immortal as long as you stayed inside the cavern
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I thought you didn't like AICN.

It's a good measuring tool to feel out blockbuster films.  Usually, if the early buzz from its readers is "OMG AWESOME FTW!", it falls somewhere between mildly distinguished mentally-challenged to mediocre (Iron Man was better than average, but not splooge-worthy as their reviews suggested).  But if they think it's mediocre or bad (Catwoman, X3, etc.) - it's usually pretty horrible.
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I call it the IGN system.  All geek reviews are inflated by two to four points.
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AICN itself has overhyped a lot of shit. I'm seeing the same trend right now with Speed Racer. I'm seeing positive reviews on their site for the film already, which conflicts with the RT rating at the moment.

Trust me though, if Indy IV sucks, I'll be the first one to bitch about it. I just like to be optimistic rather than write it off before I see the film.
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Speed Racer is a perfect example.  Reviews say it has substance and all this crap - but it's likely an average film.
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Like I said.

Mummy 3 may very well be a better movie.
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Like I said.

Mummy 3 may very well be a better movie.

No way. Unlikely as hell.
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I'm almost glad to hear it's bad, because the movie has fallen flat for me from the first images and trailers. I didn't get the hype! At all!

FATE OF ATLANTIS REMAINS THE TRUE INDY 4
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I'm almost glad to hear it's bad, because the movie has fallen flat for me from the first images and trailers. I didn't get the hype! At all!

FATE OF ATLANTIS REMAINS THE TRUE INDY 4

god bless you, mrs patel,
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What's wrong with the Allan Quartermane movies?

Random slam there at the end, Sharon Stone was hot in those  :-\

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Especially when you think about the crew pissing in that huge pot that Stone swims in because they hate her so much, allegedly
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I got worried when I saw that trailer in front of Iron Man :(
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I got worried when I saw that trailer in front of Iron Man :(

yeah, I was sort of "wait and see" until that trailer, and that trailer was like ... uh ... where is the movie
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I'm almost glad to hear it's bad, because the movie has fallen flat for me from the first images and trailers. I didn't get the hype! At all!

FATE OF ATLANTIS REMAINS THE TRUE INDY 4

god bless you, mrs patel,

why are you feminizing me
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:lol imagin. Wilco will like it.
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I'm almost glad to hear it's bad, because the movie has fallen flat for me from the first images and trailers. I didn't get the hype! At all!

FATE OF ATLANTIS REMAINS THE TRUE INDY 4

god bless you, mrs patel,

why are you feminizing me

jesus loves you more than you will know
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I'm almost glad to hear it's bad, because the movie has fallen flat for me from the first images and trailers. I didn't get the hype! At all!

FATE OF ATLANTIS REMAINS THE TRUE INDY 4

god bless you, mrs patel,

why are you feminizing me

jesus loves you more than you will know

oh uh oh
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I'm almost glad to hear it's bad, because the movie has fallen flat for me from the first images and trailers. I didn't get the hype! At all!

FATE OF ATLANTIS REMAINS THE TRUE INDY 4

god bless you, mrs patel,

why are you feminizing me

jesus loves you more than you will know

oh uh oh

whoa whoa whoa
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I just want to remind everybody that Lucasarts's seminal adventure game Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis installs to C:\INDY4\

nuff said
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it didn't install in scummvm!

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let's type "indy4" into Google Image Search

http://images.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=indy4&btnG=Search+Images

oh look, the first four pictures are from the REAL INDY4 as released for the IBM PC and compatibles

I4INO shows up at number FIVE ... showing that God will not allow it anywhere near the number 4

FOURK YOU
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you're adorable.  what woman wouldn't want to take you home?
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now you're turning creepy, ascribing more meaning to pop culture than should be healthy.

this is the equivalent of bitching about reality show contestants
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I remember hearing that Spielberg and Ford begged Lucas to rework the script, but that Lucas was adamant. 

George Lucas being a hack, I have been resigned to the fact that the new Indy movie was going to be awful.
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I might still see it in theaters though  :-\
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They should have just re-released the damn originals to theaters, even if it would have meant Nazis with flashlights and/or CG dance numbers.  :maf



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Didn't read the review, and won't. But I'm certainly not shocked it's negative - Cheebs and other Spielberg fanboys may blindly think otherwise, but this is going to be a trainwreck. I'll still be there on day one, probably at midnight

It's irrelevent and unnecessary, and frankly I'm disappointed that Spielberg would let Lucas talk him into being apart of this bullshit. Especially after the Star Wars prequels
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Star Wars prequels > original trilogy (ESB doesn't count)

I have no interest in Indiana Jones, though.
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I thought you didn't like AICN.

It's a good measuring tool to feel out blockbuster films.  Usually, if the early buzz from its readers is "OMG AWESOME FTW!", it falls somewhere between mildly distinguished mentally-challenged to mediocre (Iron Man was better than average, but not splooge-worthy as their reviews suggested).  But if they think it's mediocre or bad (Catwoman, X3, etc.) - it's usually pretty horrible.

Yeah, but AICN completely wrote off Minority Report which was a decent movie, while fapping furiously to Star Wars Episode II and Blade II neither of which was worth spitting on.
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i enjoyed blade 2 when i saw it the first time

but repeated viewings it was just....horrible.
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I remember hearing that Spielberg and Ford begged Lucas to rework the script, but that Lucas was adamant. 

George Lucas being a hack, I have been resigned to the fact that the new Indy movie was going to be awful.
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I might still see it in theaters though  :-\
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They should have just re-released the damn originals to theaters, even if it would have meant Nazis with flashlights and/or CG dance numbers.  :maf
Great, now you have me envisioning an Indy version of that horrible Jedi Rocks segment from the SE of RotJ.  :-\
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Yeah, does anyone remember that interview awhile back where Spielberg and Ford basically admit to finally bending over for Lucas' injecting aliens into the Indyverse?  They were like, "No!" forever, but then a funny thing happened - Spielberg needed a blockbuster and Harrison Ford needs more money before he dies.
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Willco does that review say there ARE aliens in the film? I've heard that there aren't any actual aliens, and instead a long dead alien civilization is found. or something like that (i'm avoiding spoilers)
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No, the film verifies they're searching for an alien corpse from Roswell or something like that at some point in the film.  Also, ManaByte (resident Lucas fanboy) says there's a tongue-in-cheek E.T. cameo in it.  Kind of like a nod to the fans and by nod, I mean raping my childhood's anus.
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Wait, a blatant ET reference, and not something that's more hidden - like the Star Wars stuff in previous Indy films? If so, BLEH
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From the review:

The storyline is basically about an alien corpse from some crash in some town call Roswell, that has magnetic properties that may or may not be the ultimate weapon in the future. The Nazi's are replaced by the Soviets who are obviously bad and want said weapon to do bad things with. The alien corpse prize is replaced with the crystal skull from the corpse (the actual skeleton of aliens is crystaline, and the Crystal Skull is literally an alien's remains) and chases and such ensue as they try to figure out how to 'Return' the skull to the Lost City of Gold and let it's supernatural abilities run rampant.
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Another review:

 read ShogunMaster’s uniformly negative review because I saw the film myself two days ago, and I wanted to see if his reaction was the same as mine. It wasn’t, but I’m not surprised by what he wrote. The entire audience at the screening was holding its collective breath, waiting for the breakthrough moment that would signal Indy’s triumphant return to the top of the Geek Heap, and that moment never really comes.

But that’s not to say it’s a bad movie. It’s just an unnecessary one.

Ironically, the problem is that Lucas, Spielberg, and Ford are trying far too hard to give everyone what they think that they want. Look! It’s the Ark! Look! It’s Marion! Look! It’s not the mileage, it’s the years! Everyone’s just treading water in this thing. The result is a movie that could – and should – conceivably have been made about a year or two after the Last Crusade, and would probably have been pretty well received. But after twenty years, everyone expects something that this movie can never be, and the harder the film tries to cram in as much nostalgia and clever references to what’s gone before, the more achingly clear it is that this movie is an empty exercise. It’s all about trying to recapture lightning in a bottle. Nothing about this film stands on its own – it’s constantly leaning on the past, hoping we don’t notice that it doesn’t bring anything new to the franchise.

This is the “Free as a Bird” of Indiana Jones movies.

Ironically, the movie I kept thinking about as I watched it was “Rocky Balboa,” which I consider the best of the recent returns to the long-abandoned franchise wells. Stallone used nostalgia to further a new story – Rocky’s obsession with the past allowed the audience to relive some of their favorite moments, but it also showed us who Rocky is now – lonely, lost, a little pathetic. It used old story elements to tell something new. It showed us how an ancient, weary Rocky adapts to a new world, and in the process, it deepened our appreciation for the character and capped the franchise perfectly.

“Crystal Skull” goes in exactly the opposite direction. Ford is given plenty of asides and one-liners that acknowledge his age, but they’re just obligatory and have no bearing on the story. Indeed, Indy delights in showing up his Wrath of Khan-style Instant Son every chance he gets. And he absorbs more punishment in this thing than in all three of the previous movies combined, which just gets silly after awhile. He’s like Roger Moore at his View-to-a-Kill pruniest – no man of any age could withstand the crap they throw at him, and it’s even goofier to assume a geezer like this could.

And where Rocky Balboa succeeded by stripping the thing down to its essence, Crystal Skull bloats everything far beyond what this plot or these characters can sustain. Set pieces just sort of appear out of the ether, and each is bigger and more bombastic than the last, and none of them matter, because you don’t really give a rip what happens to anybody. Which is really sad, when you consider what an iconic character they’re throwing away.

What’s especially strange about this movie is how heavily it relies on the MacGuffin, and just how talky it is. I, for one, don’t want to know anymore about the crystalline structure of an alien skeleton or their lost city and how they enhance the psionic abilities of psychic Russians than I absolutely have to, but apparently Lucas thinks I need a PhD on the subject. Had this been a story really been about an aging Indy, it might have been interesting. As it stands, even with all the hokey in-joke references to the first three flicks, the characters don’t matter at all. Instead of Indiana Jones, you could call this Horace the Monkey Boy and replace Harrison Ford with Richard Chamberlain or Harvey Keitel or Booger from Revenge of the Nerds and not much about this movie would change.

That’s not to say it sucks. The actors acquit themselves well, especially Karen Allen, although it would have been nice to see her with more screen time. Ford is just fine; he just doesn’t give us anything we haven’t seen before. And for all the Shia hate, LeBoeuf is a long way from embarrassing himself. I couldn’t decide if Cate Blanchett was awful or not, because she’s certainly strange. She’s the most bizarre of the Indy villains but also the least interesting because she’s the least human. She’s all dominatrix weirdness, but you can tell Blanchett is having fun, so eventually you do, too. Ray Winstone is wasted, which is too bad, as his character actually shows signs of being something interesting but never really gets to go there. He’s sort of an amoral Sallah, which might have been fun if it hadn’t been part and parcel with the stupid Skull narrative that crowded out everything else.

It sounds like I hated it. I really didn’t. But I have to admit it made me sad. It felt like going to a family reunion where everyone was forced to watch a slideshow or old home movies instead of getting a chance to catch up with each other. Spielberg boasts that this movie looks and feels exactly like the first three, and he’s exactly right. Had he truly made a fourth Indiana Jones movie rather than just a weak retread, I’d have been a whole lot happier.

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Interesting review, and spoiler free I might add. It was obvious from the teaser trailer that the film was going to use nostalgia as its main source of fuel. Great Rocky reference as well. I wasn't a big fan of the movie, but it's definitely not bad, and more importantly it never feels like an unnecessary retread.
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Yeah, it was a really well written and thoughtful review.  And scary.  I think I'd prefer this installment to be a total trainwreck - that way I could write it off.  But if it comes off as painfully unnecessary and soulless, that's just kind of depressing (but so Lucas).
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I agree. I've expected a trainwreck for some time, and while I would still be a bit disappointed at least I would enjoy a few things here or there. That review makes it sound like viewing this movie will mainly elicit feelings of regret and negative nostalgia ("you know what...I think I'm just gonna go watch Raiders instead *walks out theater*).
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I'm trying not to read reviews. But I know they are negative.

Expectations slightly lowered. Now I just expect it to be better than Temple of Doom.
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I can't HELP but think it'll be better than Doom; I've said that since this new film went into production. But while Doom disappointed me initially due to being such a different film than Raiders, and lacking many of my favorite characters...I can't help but think a hollow, soulless retread that marches my favorite characters out like puppets on a string could be even worse.
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Honestly, the only thing that really shocked me today is the hate for Minority Report.

I knew Indy was getting hate already. I'm still looking forward to it. Most of the people who made the original movies good are involved.

If not, well, I'll be blasting the hell out of it.

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