I'M IN HELL....WE'RE ALL IN HELL TONITE

[Ichirou]

THE HILLDEEBEAST IS NEVER GONNA GIVE UP

[TVC15]

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2a50425a-1f86-11dd-9216-000077b07658,s01=1.html?nclick_check=1

Like most people in Mingo County, West Virginia, Leonard Simpson is a lifelong Democrat. But given a choice between Barack Obama and John McCain in November, the 67-year-old retired coalminer would vote Republican.

“I heard that Obama is a Muslim and his wife’s an atheist,” said Mr Simpson, drawing on a cigarette outside the fire station in Williamson, a coalmining town of 3,400 people surrounded by lush wooded hillsides.

We all know that Muslims get SO HORNY for atheists.  And soon we will get to hear Hitlery hold up West Virginia as evidence of AMERICA LOVING HER!

[MrAngryFace]

Not to mention that the ENQUIRER reported that he cheated on his wife. Truth Bombs hittin those literate senior citizens

[Ichirou]

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/11/clinton.obama/index.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/10/bernstein.clinton/index.html#cnnSTCText

She is not giving up, not until she has destroyed Obama's chances so she can go again in 2012.  It's either that or make Obama genuflect before her and give her the VP slot before she can do further damage, but I'm convinced she's trying to ruin him so she can go again in four years.

However, from the perspective of both campaign camps, there is serious concern about the kind of landing she's aiming for and the precarious task of bringing her plane down, especially if she decides to seek the vice presidential nomination. There could be a number of different landings:

• Smooth and skillful, doing the Obama candidacy no further damage and perhaps restoring to relative health the legacy of and regard for Bill and Hillary Clinton in the Democratic Party.

• Explosive, setting down after the enemy has been carpet-bombed (an "October surprise in May"), something the Obama campaign believes may be less and less likely to come from his Democratic opponent because of the dangers to the party and the Clintons' reputation. Yet the Clinton campaign's search for damaging information and its hope that such information exists continues, according to knowledgeable sources. Strategist Harold Ickes, her premier tactical counselor, warned on the eve of the North Carolina and Indiana that Obama could be vulnerable to an "October surprise" by the McCain campaign.

• Missing the runway and destroying the Democratic village, as even her advocates outside her immediate campaign apparat fear could happen if the Clinton campaign continues to pursue a harshly negative course.

• Just bumpy and scary enough to shake the Obama campaign one last time and get her into the hangar as the vice presidential nominee on the Democratic ticket. Increasingly, this is what people in Obama's corner and those who know her well are becoming convinced she will try to do. Part of this assumption is based on her determination to roll up the biggest numbers possible in West Virginia and Kentucky, and Bill Clinton's argument that she may still win a majority of popular votes in non-caucus states.

WE'RE ALL IN HELL TONITE

[TVC15]

Yeah, that's my fear, too.  I'm hoping this terrible, trashy campaign leaves her career destroyed, so people know she's just an insane crackpot when 2012 rolls around.  I'd like to think that she's burned bridges here.

[Ichirou]

According to the CNN Analysis, she's burned a lot of bridges in the Senate due to her behavior on the campaign trail.  But Joe Lieberman did that too when he switched to independent in '06 and he's survived (stumping for McCain, even!).

[TVC15]

I liked Ann Coulter's comment the other day.

Well, it looks like it's the end of the road for Hillary. Time for her to pack up her pantsuits and go back to -- wherever it is she's pretending to be living these days.

Lol.

[Ichirou]

Am I the only one who thinks come January we're all going to be watching John McCain's inauguration on TV?

[TVC15]

Am I the only one who thinks come January we're all going to be watching John McCain's inauguration on TV?

I think that outcome is just about in stone now.  Blame Hillary's filthy fucking campaign.

[Ichirou]

"Barack Obama isn't a Muslim...AS FAR AS I KNOW." - Hillary Clinton

[MrAngryFace]

We'll see what happens. There's a lot of rumblings about Obama being more appealing to the religious right. This will be an interesting election.

[Ichirou]

We'll see what happens. There's a lot of rumblings about Obama being more appealing to the religious right. This will be an interesting election.

If religious right is code for the islamofascists who are secretly trying to undermine Amurrrrica.

[MrAngryFace]

oh yeah, this is a comedy thread, sorry

[TVC15]

We'll see what happens. There's a lot of rumblings about Obama being more appealing to the religious right. This will be an interesting election.

HE'S A MUSLIM THAT MARRIED AN ATHEIST!

[Ichirou]

oh yeah, this is a comedy thread, sorry

WHY DONT YU SHUT UP AND LET US TALK POLITICS SRSLY

[Ichirou]

There really is no way in hell Obama can appeal to the religious right since they're basically a bunch of xenophobic racists who fear anybody with a different skin color.  Look at Bob Jones University which banned interracial dating until just a few years ago.

[TVC15]

oh yeah, this is a comedy thread, sorry

WHY DONT YU SHUT UP AND LET US TALK POLITICS SRSLY

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[Ichirou]

They need to start advertising Obama's asian half-sister to appeal to the asian population...they hate Obama for some reason.

My mom says she doesn't like Obama, but she can't quite put her finger on why.  My dad's gonna vote for him in the primary in June, though.

[TVC15]

Is your mom a post-menopausal woman?

[Ichirou]

My mom is a hispanic post-menopausal woman, which for sooooome straaaange reason is Hillary's strongest demographic.

[TVC15]

My mom is a hispanic post-menopausal woman, which for sooooome straaaange reason is Hillary's strongest demographic.

Yeah, I think hispanic + post-menopause means that it would be physically impossible for her to vote for Obama.  She would probably explode.

[Ichirou]

At least my dad's voting for Obama so he's basically neutralizing her vote.

[GilloD]

Electing John McCain could be the actual end of the United States.

[Eric P]

the thing which really saddens me is that i used to be a hillary supporter after she joined the senate.

my democrat friends hated her, my republican friends hated her, but i thought she wasn't really getting a fair shake from either of them.

yeah, oops, i was wrong.

[Mandark]

The best thing about the Clintons for me has always been their rogues gallery.

I might have thought Bill's administration was too wussy centrist, but how could I not root for him to piss off Gingrich, Starr, Limbaugh,  and Scaife?  Ditto with Hillary, who had all the GOP candidates and the Matthews/Russert axis of creepy sexism against her.

When they're going up against fellow (?) liberals, it's not quite as fun.

[Eric P]

yes, i'd agree with that

when you have private citizens giving up millions of dollars to fund public investigations against you...

[Bloodwake]

There really is no way in hell Obama can appeal to the religious right since they're basically a bunch of xenophobic racists who fear anybody with a different skin color.  Look at Bob Jones University which banned interracial dating until just a few years ago.

Truth.

Might as well forsake this idea right now.

[MrAngryFace]

I think you assume everyone in the religious right is the same :/

[Raban]

Just like people were saying in the 2004 election, if McCain gets elected, I'm not staying in America much longer. Fuck that guy.

Obama or bust.

[TVC15]

Why would Obama be appealing to the religious right in the first place?  The religious right doesn't even vote democrat, hence the right part. 

[Van Cruncheon]

it's not so much that he appeals to them, but that he's the only viable anti-war candidate. a good portion of the religious right -- well, the ones who don't think he's the anti-christ or who think us bombing brownskins is the only way to secure the rapture -- find the war pretty disgraceful in terms of their beliefs. also, the war draws its meat fodder disproportionately from the bible belt and poorer areas of the US, and some measure of the thumpers want their boys back, and have jiggered their biblical perspective on us politics to endorse that. lastly, obama's publicized religiosity has had one positive effect with these voters: his christianity seems sincere to them, unlike that of hillary and mccain. (my in-laws like him for the last reason.)

also, the religious right REALLY REALLY hates mccain, and REALLY REALLY hates hillary. obama is their only option!

[Tauntaun]

Electing John McCain could be the actual end of the United States.

Or at least spark the second Revolution!   

[MrAngryFace]

it's not so much that he appeals to them, but that he's the only viable anti-war candidate. a good portion of the religious right -- well, the ones who don't think he's the anti-christ or who think us bombing brownskins is the only way to secure the rapture -- find the war pretty disgraceful in terms of their beliefs. also, the war draws its meat fodder disproportionately from the bible belt and poorer areas of the US, and some measure of the thumpers want their boys back, and have jiggered their biblical perspective on us politics to endorse that. lastly, obama's publicized religiosity has had one positive effect with these voters: his christianity seems sincere to them, unlike that of hillary and mccain. (my in-laws like him for the last reason.)

also, the religious right REALLY REALLY hates mccain, and REALLY REALLY hates hillary. obama is their only option!

That's pretty much the size of it.

[huckleberry]

it's not so much that he appeals to them, but that he's the only viable anti-war candidate. a good portion of the religious right -- well, the ones who don't think he's the anti-christ or who think us bombing brownskins is the only way to secure the rapture -- find the war pretty disgraceful in terms of their beliefs. also, the war draws its meat fodder disproportionately from the bible belt and poorer areas of the US, and some measure of the thumpers want their boys back, and have jiggered their biblical perspective on us politics to endorse that. lastly, obama's publicized religiosity has had one positive effect with these voters: his christianity seems sincere to them, unlike that of hillary and mccain. (my in-laws like him for the last reason.)

also, the religious right REALLY REALLY hates mccain, and REALLY REALLY hates hillary. obama is their only option!

That's pretty much the size of it.

So true.


Hell, it might even trump their hatred of having to vote for a Negro.

[MrAngryFace]

He's doing a lot of work campaigning to the religious right from all ive read. Actually he just does a lot of work campaigning to everyone, whether they wanna listen or not.

[Fragamemnon]

Stop worrying about McCain winning. The guy is going to get destroyed, and would have been even bigger joke in the press than Bob Dole was in 1996 already if it wasn't for the Democratic primary being dragged out for so long. The media loves stupid gaffes and oopsies, and McCain is totally ready to deliever them on a regular basis.

The religious right, for the first time since like 1980, has been factored out of the primary calculus and the GOP is going to pay dearly in downticket races in red states because of it. Marginalizing your base is one thing, but McCain is the enemy in their eyes and they will not vote for him, period. They won't vote for Obama much either, but he really doesn't need them.

[MrAngryFace]

It'd help them out if Huckabee wasn't all wall-eyed nutzo half the time

[Bloodwake]

it's not so much that he appeals to them, but that he's the only viable anti-war candidate. a good portion of the religious right -- well, the ones who don't think he's the anti-christ or who think us bombing brownskins is the only way to secure the rapture -- find the war pretty disgraceful in terms of their beliefs. also, the war draws its meat fodder disproportionately from the bible belt and poorer areas of the US, and some measure of the thumpers want their boys back, and have jiggered their biblical perspective on us politics to endorse that. lastly, obama's publicized religiosity has had one positive effect with these voters: his christianity seems sincere to them, unlike that of hillary and mccain. (my in-laws like him for the last reason.)

also, the religious right REALLY REALLY hates mccain, and REALLY REALLY hates hillary. obama is their only option!

I wish I could believe that part about the religious right thinking the war is disgraceful.

But, remember, most of the religious right think that Bush is God's Chosen President because of his religion (or use of religion to manipulate voters) so they think the war is God's will. I have an entire Baptist church in London, KY's opinions that pretty much are in line with this statement. I used to know this Sunday School teacher who would say this constantly and everyone would agree.

So even though the war is unjustified and a fucking blemish on United States history, the religious right for the most part loves the fuck out of it because God's Chosen President started it during his administration, making it God's war.

[Eric P]

no offense, but god's an idiot.

[Van Cruncheon]

they aren't as lockstep as you think. catholic churches in particular have excoriated the war, and many urban churches likewise -- and these ARE voters that skew fairly conservative. of course, the rapture set in the midwest initially loved the war, but again, they're seeing their kids come home in bodybags or addled by ptsd, and they're looking for ways to back out. the war is really, really unpopular across the board.

[Jabberwocky]

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[Bloodwake]

they aren't as lockstep as you think. catholic churches in particular have excoriated the war, and many urban churches likewise -- and these ARE voters that skew fairly conservative. of course, the rapture set in the midwest initially loved the war, but again, they're seeing their kids come home in bodybags or addled by ptsd, and they're looking for ways to back out. the war is really, really unpopular across the board.

Yeah. This is true to some degree.

Still, there are people like my dad who either won't vote this time around or will vote for McCain even though he fucking hates him.

[MrAngryFace]

http://www.newsweek.com/id/136315

[Mandark]

Electoral politics is carried out on the margins.  Obama's not going to take a majority of the Left Behind set, but he doesn't need to.  He can make a dent just shaving off 5-10% more than Kerry did or by seeing lower turnout from that group because they're so unenthused about McCain.

[Van Cruncheon]

http://www.newsweek.com/id/136315

"For all her claims of a broad coalition, Hillary's only reliable base is older white women with no college education."

TVC, where's yer angry bitches pic

also, sounds like a COALITION OF BROADS to me AHUAHUA lollercaust <shits pants, heart stops, dies>

[NME]

Just like people were saying in the 2004 election, if McCain gets elected, I'm not staying in America much longer. Fuck that guy.

Obama or bust.

So, Liberals hate McCain, because he's Bush lite.

Conservatives hate McCain, because he's too socially liberal?

So the thought is that the republicans will suck it up and vote for the candidate that is the lesser of two evils, and that's how McCain will win? Sure, it's possible. But, and not that this means anything at all, I do know republicans who have made the decision to simply not vote in November.

Sure, Obama doesn't have the momentum he did a few months ago, but with the turn out on the other side of the fence, I have to figure he (or Hillary if she somehow pulls this off) still have the inside track.

[etiolate]

religious right is a mostly political grouping and would never go obama

The religious on the other hand are a different story.

Even though a huge mega-church of Christians and a large Catholic Church seem similar, they often vote quite differently.  A modern Saved! Jesus Camp sort of mega Christian church is very right wing, almost 100% in population and thought process. Even their practices in business and whatnot work within that political sphere. The Catholic Church though has strong liberal strings and groups within it. Baptists are different as well. The born-agains make up a large beefy chunk of the religious right and the older churches are more splintered.

The only way the NeoCons united these groups was on huge polarizing issues(Gays, Abortions), of which there isn't one here to distract anyone by.  Simply shouting "muslim!" isn't the same.

[TVC15]

http://www.newsweek.com/id/136315

"For all her claims of a broad coalition, Hillary's only reliable base is older white women with no college education."

TVC, where's yer angry bitches pic

also, sounds like a COALITION OF BROADS to me AHUAHUA lollercaust <shits pants, heart stops, dies>

[etiolate]

I always figured the Obama v Hillary battle is older women with an axe to grind from getting backstabbed by the black male community on the right to vote.

[Van Cruncheon]

if you're a fat white woman even a black man won't touch, you definitely got an axe to grind

[MrAngryFace]

http://www.newsweek.com/id/136315

"For all her claims of a broad coalition, Hillary's only reliable base is older white women with no college education."

TVC, where's yer angry bitches pic

also, sounds like a COALITION OF BROADS to me AHUAHUA lollercaust <shits pants, heart stops, dies>

(Image removed from quote.)