Official 2008 Election thread part II, sponsored by biblical prophecy (tm)

[Phoenix Dark]

Thread in remembrance of Jacob Yenor, Michigan Teenager Defense Force founder

R.I.P.

Lets get this started

[Phoenix Dark]

Prince of Darkness himself:

    Nevertheless, reports out of the evangelical community dispute Huckabee's support. One experienced, credible activist in Christian politics who would not let his name be used told me Huckabee in personal conversation with him embraced the concept that an Obama presidency might be what the American people deserve. That fits what has largely been a fringe position among evangelicals that the pain of an Obama presidency is in keeping with the Bible's prophecy.

    According to this activist, at the heart of the let-Obama-win movement is longtime Virginia conservative leader Michael Farris -- the nation's leading home-school advocate, who is now chancellor of Patrick Henry College (in Purcellville, Va.) for home-schooled students. Best known politically as the losing Republican candidate for lieutenant governor of Virginia in 1993, Farris is regarded as one of the hardest-edged Christian politicians. He is reported in evangelical circles to promote the Biblical justification for an Obama plague-like presidency.

    In conversations with me, Huckabee and Farris both denied advocating that an Obama presidency should be inflicted on the country. Huckabee was enthusiastic in his support for McCain, noting how well they had bonded during their primary competition.

    Farris is another matter. A vigorous supporter of Huckabee for president, he has not endorsed McCain and may never do so (though he quickly adds he never would vote for Obama or Hillary Clinton). "I am concerned about what judges he (McCain) may name," Farris told me, "and the test will be who he selects for vice president." He made it clear that Huckabee would be his choice, and ruefully adds, "I understand he is not under consideration."

    At McCain headquarters, there is no doubt expressed about Huckabee's loyalty. "I feel we haven't used him (Huckabee) enough," McCain campaign manger Rick Davis told me. McCain's strategists are more concerned that the libertarian Rep. Ron Paul has not abandoned his candidacy, keeps fighting for delegates and says he will not endorse McCain.

     

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/05/mccain_huckabee_and_the_evange.html

Plagued Obama presidency? I wonder where Bush's presidency ranks on their prophesy diagram

[Tauntaun]

Ron Paul
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:'( We love you Ron.

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[Vizzys]

whoever wins, we lose

[Bloodwake]

Mandatory Election Thread sayings:

GOBAMA

BARACK THE VOTE

IF YOU SMELL WHAT BARACK IS COOKIN'

[Joe Molotov]

Hey, I heard Obama is a Muslim and his wife is an atheist.

[Tauntaun]

Hey, I heard Obama is a Muslim and his wife is an atheist.

Does this mean we can send him to Guantanamo? 

[Powerslave]

whoever wins, we lose

Whoever loses, we win.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Hey, I heard Obama is a Muslim and his wife is an atheist.

Obama is a Muslim and his pastor is a racist.

[treythemovie]

Hey, I heard Obama is a Muslim and his wife is an atheist.

Obama is a Muslim and his pastor is a racist.

and his daughters are scientologists

[Joe Molotov]

Hey, I heard Obama is a Muslim and his wife is an atheist.

Obama is a Muslim and his pastor is a racist.

Obama is only one letter away from Osama. Just sayin'.

[GilloD]

Obama is both a BAD CHRISTIAN because he HATES AMERICA and a MUSLIM. A bad-christian-muslim.

[bud]

cheebs looks hot

[Tauntaun]

Obama is both a BAD CHRISTIAN because he HATES AMERICA and a MUSLIM. A bad-christian-muslim.

Plus he's married to a sodomy lovin atheist. 

[Human Snorenado]

Obama is both a BAD CHRISTIAN because he HATES AMERICA and a MUSLIM. A bad-christian-muslim.

Plus he's married to a sodomy lovin atheist. 

Hooray for sodomy!  I'd like to give Michelle some butt lovin, just sayin. 

[treythemovie]

lol Ron Paul dissed the Ron Paul-only gated community

[Van Cruncheon]

it's "sponsored" and "prophecy", mayne

[treythemovie]

it's "sponsored" and "prophecy", mayne

That is the pre-Ron Paul revolution way of spelling things Drinky. Get with the program, gees

[Phoenix Dark]

my poor grammer has made me bitter  :'(

[Powerslave]

Poor spelling, not grammar.

[treythemovie]

Poor spelling, not grammar.

bitterness makes people stupid

[Phoenix Dark]

elitists 

[Flannel Boy]

elitists 

you'll be the first against the wall after the Revolution. We will flog you with dictionaries and grammar handbooks.

[treythemovie]

Michigan

[Phoenix Dark]

Huck responds to Novak's story

Where do people dream up this stuff? Forget the “anonymous” sources—there’s nothing anonymous about my stand and here it is. We don’t “deserve” Obama—we DESERVE a President with the character, convictions, experience, and wisdom to see the problems we face and try to lead us to solve them. We deserve a President who truly loves this country and from whom there is no doubt as to his respect for Faith, Family, and the kind of Freedom that those before us have given their lives to pass on to us. John McCain meets that criteria and that’s why I am campaigning for him and not hoping for Obama. The nonsense that I want Obama to win this year so I can run in 2012 is absurd. I love my country more than my own ambition. So let the record and truth be clear. And let the “anonymous” sources either show the courage to stand up and be accountable for their comments or shut up and leave commentary to people who aren’t afraid of their own shadow. 

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/

I like how he insinuates Obama doesn't love the country

[Flannel Boy]

Huck uses the oxford comma. 

*jumps ship*

[treythemovie]

Huckabee allegedly wants Obama to win so that Huck can run in 2012
Hillary allegedly wants McCain to win so that she can run in 2012

2012: Huckabee vs Hillary? Whoever wins, we lose 

[Van Cruncheon]

well, the world is uspposed to end in 2012, anyhow!

[treythemovie]

After winning the popular vote but still losing the electoral college, Huckabee, in a wrathful mood, will rapture the world

[Phoenix Dark]

I like things about Huck, most of which have nothing to do with his policies. He usually strikes me as an honest dude, plus I don't think he's a neocon.

CHARLESTON, W.V. -- Hillary Clinton found dozens of supporters, and at least one of her rival's, as she started her Primary Eve Day with a stop at a local Biscuit World.

Clinton made the unnanounced trip as she seeks to boost her margin of victory in the Mountain State's primary. "We gotta get everybody out, gotta get everybody out," she said as she posed for a picture with a group of women.

One told her the weather forecast looked good. "Yup, let's make it happen, Clinton replied. "Get everybody out, it'll be a good day."

As Clinton worked the room, she ran into Doris Smith, who happened to be wearing a blue and white Obama '08 T-shirt. She shook her hand, and said she would work hard for her.

"I'm still trying to decide on the issues," Smith said to Clinton. "Well, that's what [you] should decide on," Clinton said, her hand now on Smith's shoulder.

Clinton, who did not stop to eat, thanked the staff and supporters for the greeting, and offered a quick pitch on her electability.

"I keep telling people, no Democrat has won the White House since 1916 without winning West Virginia."

As she sat in a booth signing a book, another woman said she hoped she woud "go all the way."

"We're gonna keep going as long as we have people like you helping us," Clinton said.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/
 

West Virginia=5 electoral votes

This is the dumbest shit ever. First off, polls show McCain kills Obama and Hillary in W Virginia. Second she's insinuated all along that "small states" don't matter while ignoring the "big states" Obama has won. Obama puts NC, Colo, VA, NV, NM, and even Iowa into play for 2008; I'm not saying he'll win those states but he's going to be competitive; I'm willing to bet he'll win VA and NV, a +18 increase in the blue column.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I read that Hillary's new plan is to try to ride out a majority in the popular vote, then use that to bludgeon the superdelegates into voting for her. I hope that enough superdelegates come out for Obama over the next few days that that line of reasoning becomes unreasonable. Everyone has accepted her campaign is over except for her.

[Phoenix Dark]

Allegedly Obama has 120 superdelegates in the wings, but the campaign isn't planning on rolling them out in mass unless Hillary continues the negative attacks. Plus they want her to exit with her upcoming big wins out of "respect" for her.

If that's true he can just unroll say 20 after the polls close in W Vir tomorrow, thus changing the media narrative a bit.

btw check out my new favorite site:
http://www.270towin.com/ 

[Human Snorenado]

I read that Hillary's new plan is to try to ride out a majority in the popular vote, then use that to bludgeon the superdelegates into voting for her. I hope that enough superdelegates come out for Obama over the next few days that that line of reasoning becomes unreasonable. Everyone has accepted her campaign is over except for her.

Since last Tuesday, Obama has netted 21 supers to her... 1.5.  Her bs arguments aren't working.  It's over.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I read that Hillary's new plan is to try to ride out a majority in the popular vote, then use that to bludgeon the superdelegates into voting for her. I hope that enough superdelegates come out for Obama over the next few days that that line of reasoning becomes unreasonable. Everyone has accepted her campaign is over except for her.

Since last Tuesday, Obama has netted 21 supers to her... 1.5.  Her bs arguments aren't working.  It's over.

She's like an undead zombie candidate who can't be killed, though. The media narrative has completely turned against her and she's still spouting "Gotta win West Virginia! Most important state!" nonsense.

I just donated to Obama! (My first political donation ever.) I would like to think my small contribution will help kick Hillary out of the race sooner rather than later.

[Human Snorenado]

I read that Hillary's new plan is to try to ride out a majority in the popular vote, then use that to bludgeon the superdelegates into voting for her. I hope that enough superdelegates come out for Obama over the next few days that that line of reasoning becomes unreasonable. Everyone has accepted her campaign is over except for her.

Since last Tuesday, Obama has netted 21 supers to her... 1.5.  Her bs arguments aren't working.  It's over.

She's like an undead zombie candidate who can't be killed.

I just donated to Obama! I would like to think my small contribution will contribute to kicking Hillary out of the race sooner rather than later.

Personally, I like to compare her political death to that of Rasputin.  We've already poisoned her, shot her repeatedly and then beaten her to a pulp.  All that's left is for us to throw her body into an icy river and we can move on to the general election.

[duckman2000]

I'd add "castrated her", but I guess that happened some time ago

[FlameOfCallandor]

Got this from Digg
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/ronpaulgop.html

[Van Cruncheon]

Got this from Digg
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/ronpaulgop.html

i will say that the crazy-ass comments attached to this article have given me some perspective on ron paul: specifically, that the loopy-loo koolaid-chugging mises-spouting nonsense of the paulites doesn't even BEGIN to compare to the walleyed, illiterate christo-madness of huckabee supporters

[Phoenix Dark]

It'll be interesting to see if Paul is allowed to speak at the convention. There's no doubt that his supporters are going to shit the thing up either inside the convention or outside it

[Van Cruncheon]

i do enjoy seeing the republican party stretched too thin on the rack of its own devising, with the three damaged and almost incompatible organs of its rotten self now separated, exposed, and chained to lame horses: the rapture faithful and their anti-abortion paranoia lined up behind huckabee; the quasi-religious, mexican-fearing, arch-conservative 1776ers and their dogmatic college boy wonders in uncle paul's wings; and the corporate-rights bumper sticker patriots and warmongers tossing their lot in with mccain.

lol just lol

[MrAngryFace]

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/12/1012909.aspx?CommentPosted=true#commentmessage

“I don’t need a guided tour of the White House,” she said. “I know my way around, and I know we gotta get to work immediately, because we’re not gonna have a lot of time.”

uh what?

[Van Cruncheon]

an AWESOME comment

Mr. Malcolm, how instrumental have you been in informing the citizens of Greater Los Angeles about the insidious, underlying intent... the sad modern-day reality... behind LA Agenda 21 (and the supremacy of communitarian law), I wonder?

Has this subject been beyond your particular purview? A search of the LA Times website for these exact keywords turned up... not a thing... nada... zilch.

I see you are one of the few at the LA Times assigned the task of agitating for GOP dissension within its ranks, while most eyeballs remain focused on this meaningless Democratic Party horse race.

Why do you think that is?

Obama and Clinton are both avowed communitarians beholden to the central planners who claim slave-master status over our government representatives and the U.S. economy. McCain, like the other two, actually likes being led around by his nose, all the while pretending he is a gallant military-political man "of principle." Just ask Senator Lieberman and Mrs. McCain, his wife. Ask Mrs. Clinton and her husband. Ask Mr. Obama who ALL these other candidates MUST pander to in order to secure their Party's nomination.

And these same elite, psychopathic internationalists and warmongers are merely the enablers for the real controlling influences... behind the real-world plotting... of LA Agenda 21, for instance - yet few Angelenos, and few patriotic Americans for that matter, know a cotton-picking thing about it.

This is precisely illustrative of the reason why Big Media puppeteers like the LA Times and their working lackeys doing the dirty work are a clear and present danger to the American Republic and ALL its citizens: They no longer report the impartial news of the day without some pre-determined outcome - a secretive, centrally-planned agenda - already in mind. And they certainly don't dance to the tune of the great unwashed, now do they?

Once the American people learn that Big Media is a CIA asset "owned" by the same people who own these three "anointed" candidates AND "their" monetary system, the quicker they'll realize their Constitution, American sovereignty... their rights and their liberties... are in very grave danger...

... Then the sooner they'll realize who the actual conspirators have been that worked behind the scenes so diligently to enslave them, once and for all.

Which is why I have to ask, "Are you a journalist for The Third Way", or are you a "man of principle" like McCain? Do you have an honest affection for liberty or truth? Or do you think you'll be somehow "protected" too?

Ron Paul and his supporters are not going away, Mr. Malcolm. Their numbers will only increase exponentially in the aftermath of what "our" treasonous central planners are deliberately doing to us, I promise.

Until such time as the Fed is abolished, the power of Big Media is finished, and the monopolists so beloved by communitarians are positively undone... Ron Paul's star will continue to shine... with or without him in the White House.

Perhaps your real job is to help identify the "terrorists" to the status quo "appointees" in Homeland Security and the CIA - would that be the reason you write of Ron Paul being "correctly dismissed" by deliberately dumbed-down voters who still think we live in a democratically-controlled never-neverland run by We, the People?

Is this why you associate terms like "revolt", "plot", and other scary-sounding code words with Paul's clarion call... albeit, practically now silenced by the underhanded mainstream media... for a constitutionalists' simple message... of peace, prosperity, and freedom?

Or is it the case that you and your paymasters merely fear the wrath of the American people once they've finally wised-up to your disgraceful subterfuge?

tvc, maf, how do we become part of SEATTLE AGENDA 42

[Human Snorenado]

Man, where do I sign up to be part of Central Planning?  That sounds fuck awesome.

[Van Cruncheon]

no shit. i have some communitarian sympathies -- well, okay, i get annoying spam mail from them regularly because i subscribe to tnr, and the fact that i occasionally read it and snicker should count as "sympathy" -- so gimme a junior puppetmaster position in the nwo, please!

[Vizzys]

that magneto picture still gets me

[Howard Alan Treesong]

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/12/1012909.aspx?CommentPosted=true#commentmessage

“I don’t need a guided tour of the White House,” she said. “I know my way around, and I know we gotta get to work immediately, because we’re not gonna have a lot of time.”

uh what?

Obama is going to waste the first three months of his Presidency learning all the secret bookcase shortcuts in the White House

[Van Cruncheon]

actually, i'd BE a communitarian if it wasn't a potential gateway for the creepy religious set, and because i love science and rational thought more than i love social engineering

[Mandark]

Reading that comment makes me wish I was like that.  It must be so awesome to know you're part of a select group that's privy to the secret truths of the world.  It'd be like being woken up from the Matrix!

[Van Cruncheon]

i like how a good half of the pro-paul comments end with some dire pronouncement about the usa being on the road to "concentration camps" or worse if we don't vote for their candidate

the ONLY future for those who don't live by the bibleconstitution is hellgermany 1938 revisited!

[Mandark]

That would explain The Road to Serfdom's persistent ability to wow college freshmen with its insight.  He predicted what's about to happen!  60 years ago!

It strikes me as really presumptuous for the mostly white, suburban Paulites to act like they're the ones risking the ire of The System to spread The Truth.  For all the Bush administration's willingness to throw civil rights under the bus, the people who suffer are always going to be unpopular ethnic minorities and faraway populations of swarthy foreigners.

It's just as delusional an ego-stroke as hawks who consider their amateur propagandizing as roughly equal to sacrifices and contributions of actual soldiers.

[FlameOfCallandor]

The war on drugs is probably responsible for such a high black ( and minority) prison population and yet the only candidate that talked about ending it was Ron Paul. Hmmmm

[AdmiralViscen]

[MrAngryFace]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24588813/

Here's the worst: In Muncie, a factory town in the east-central part of Indiana, Ross and her cohorts were soliciting support for Obama at malls, on street corners and in a Wal-Mart parking lot, and they ran into "a horrible response," as Ross put it, a level of anti-black sentiment that none of them had anticipated.

"The first person I encountered was like, 'I'll never vote for a black person,' " recalled Ross, who is white and just turned 20. "People just weren't receptive."

For all the hope and excitement Obama's candidacy is generating, some of his field workers, phone-bank volunteers and campaign surrogates are encountering a raw racism and hostility that have gone largely unnoticed -- and unreported -- this election season. Doors have been slammed in their faces. They've been called racially derogatory names (including the white volunteers). And they've endured malicious rants and ugly stereotyping from people who can't fathom that the senator from Illinois could become the first African American president.

The contrast between the large, adoring crowds Obama draws at public events and the gritty street-level work to win votes is stark. The candidate is largely insulated from the mean-spiritedness that some of his foot soldiers deal with away from the media spotlight.

Meeting cruel reaction
Victoria Switzer, a retired social studies teacher, was on phone-bank duty one night during the Pennsylvania primary campaign. One night was all she could take: "It wasn't pretty." She made 60 calls to prospective voters in Susquehanna County, her home county, which is 98 percent white. The responses were dispiriting. One caller, Switzer remembers, said he couldn't possibly vote for Obama and concluded: "Hang that darky from a tree!"

Documentary filmmaker Rory Kennedy, the daughter of the late Robert F. Kennedy, said she, too, came across "a lot of racism" when campaigning for Obama in Pennsylvania. One Pittsburgh union organizer told her he would not vote for Obama because he is black, and a white voter, she said, offered this frank reason for not backing Obama: "White people look out for white people, and black people look out for black people."

Obama campaign officials say such incidents are isolated, that the experience of most volunteers and staffers has been overwhelmingly positive.

The campaign released this statement in response to questions about encounters with racism: "After campaigning for 15 months in nearly all 50 states, Barack Obama and our entire campaign have been nothing but impressed and encouraged by the core decency, kindness, and generosity of Americans from all walks of life. The last year has only reinforced Senator Obama's view that this country is not as divided as our politics suggest."

[crimsondynamics]

How many times have I heard this in the US:

"You're a great kid, but I wouldn't let my daughter marry you."

  harmony my left one.

[MrAngryFace]

I really can't fathom racists. I guess you have to be born in a certain area.

[crimsondynamics]

I actually heard this once at a buddy's house. His father was a politician.

So my buddy invites me to his house for lunch. I don't remember how the conversation veered towards racism (I think my buddy's dad was commenting about having loads of servants on their hacienda) but I remember clearly that after one of his servants and her daughter (they were both black) served the food, he said, "I have nothing against blacks.

"In fact, I think every household should have at least two."

Honest - in those words. Couldn't believe my ears.

[Tauntaun]

I actually heard this once at a buddy's house. His father was a politician.

So my buddy invites me to his house for lunch. I don't remember how the conversation veered towards racism (I think my buddy's dad was commenting about having loads of servants on their hacienda) but I remember clearly that after one of his servants and her daughter (they were both black) served the food, he said, "I have nothing against blacks.

"In fact, I think every household should have at least two."

Honest - in those words. Couldn't believe my ears.

 

[MrAngryFace]

I hate racists but even I am a little. Its kinda weird racism where its like, I see black people so infrequently that when I see them I want them to know im not racist so I am extra polite. Its not noticable but while I dont smile at most white people ill smile and nod at every black person I see.

Its a weird sort of racism.

[AdmiralViscen]

I really can't fathom racists. I guess you have to be born in a certain area.

You've got to have certain parents.

[Eric P]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24588813/

Here's the worst: In Muncie, a factory town in the east-central part of Indiana, Ross and her cohorts were soliciting support for Obama at malls, on street corners and in a Wal-Mart parking lot, and they ran into "a horrible response," as Ross put it, a level of anti-black sentiment that none of them had anticipated.

Muncie Business College Grads Represent!