I didn't think Hillary could get any dumber

[Mupepe]

Hillary cites RFK assassination in explaining why she's still in race

Hillary Clinton today cited the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy during the 1968 presidential campaign to explain why she was remaining in the race despite long odds.

"We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California," Clinton told the editorial board of a South Dakota newspaper. " I don't understand it," Clinton added, alluding to the calls for her to quit.

Clinton made the statement after pointing out that her husband didn't lock up the nomination until June of 1992, trying to point out that, by past history, it's not late in the campaign.

But Barack Obama received Secret Service protection one year ago this month, the earliest ever in presidential history, after reports of threats.

Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement that “Senator Clinton's statement before the Argus Leader editorial board was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign."

Clinton's made the comment to the Argus Leader newspaper in Sioux Falls, S.D.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0508/Hillary_cites_RFK_assasination_in_explaining_why_shes_still_in_race.html

[FlameOfCallandor]

Did she ever explain why she went from a barry goldwater supporter to a socialist?

[Phoenix Dark]

 

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Hillary cites RFK assassination in explaining why she's still in race

Hillary Clinton today cited the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy during the 1968 presidential campaign to explain why she was remaining in the race despite long odds.

"We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California," Clinton told the editorial board of a South Dakota newspaper. " I don't understand it," Clinton added, alluding to the calls for her to quit.

Clinton made the statement after pointing out that her husband didn't lock up the nomination until June of 1992, trying to point out that, by past history, it's not late in the campaign.

But Barack Obama received Secret Service protection one year ago this month, the earliest ever in presidential history, after reports of threats.

Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement that “Senator Clinton's statement before the Argus Leader editorial board was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign."

Clinton's made the comment to the Argus Leader newspaper in Sioux Falls, S.D.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0508/Hillary_cites_RFK_assasination_in_explaining_why_shes_still_in_race.html

[Phoenix Dark]

to be fair, her point is that the 68 primary process went into June. She's not saying that she's in the race just in case Obama gets killed. Her comments were in responses that the race has gone on too long, so she merely cited examples of primaries that continued into June.

[Human Snorenado]

Did she ever explain why she went from a barry goldwater supporter to a socialist?

Yeah, Goldwater lost to Nixon in '68.

And as a socialist, please don't try to associate filth like Hillary Clinton with my people.

[Human Snorenado]

to be fair, her point is that the 68 primary process went into June. She's not saying that she's in the race just in case Obama gets killed. Her comments were in responses that the race has gone on too long, so she merely cited examples of primaries that continued into June.

Uh, NO.  She could have said "Well there have been lots of primaries that went long into the calendar like '68, '92" blah blah blah whatever.  She SPECIFICALLY CITED RFK's assassination.

[MrAngryFace]

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[APF]

Yeah, when I heard this, I just... can't understand this woman anymore.

[MrAngryFace]

She's sorry we took it wrong, but shes not sorry she said it lulz

[AdmiralViscen]

[MrAngryFace]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24794971/

[APF]

It's not IMO that she said something inherently offensive, it's just the inherent cluelessness re: making references to assassination when commenting on someone who is likely to be the nation's first Black President.  This is a cluelessness that's apparently rampant in the halls of government nowadays...

[Mandark]

Not even an accurate comparison.  She's bringing up years when the primaries started months later and California wasn't until June.

Plus I think she's fudging it with the '92 stuff.  Jerry Brown was effectively knocked out a lot earlier than that.

[Human Snorenado]

It's not IMO that she said something inherently offensive, it's just the inherent cluelessness re: making references to assassination when commenting on someone who is likely to be the nation's first Black President.  This is a cluelessness that's apparently rampant in the halls of government nowadays...

Exactly.  Plus it's almost 40 years to the DAY that RFK was shot.

Mandark- There was an AP article posted the other day where Bill was being referred to as the presumptive nominee in early April.  Plus Iowa wasn't until February in '92 and it basically didn't count because Harkin was running.  Also there was no 24 hour news cycle back then.  Of course imo the 24 hour news cycle is what's going to make all of this nonsense moot in a month or two, barring some insane elderly women soldiering on like Japanese airmen left on islands into the 50's.

[siamesedreamer]

The funny thing is that in the compromise she'll likely end up being Senate Majority Leader.

Obama won't ever be free of that bitch.   

[Phoenix Dark]

he might not need a compromise if the media runs with this story like they ran with Wright/bitter/etc

[siamesedreamer]

Are they running with it? I'm on a media black out cuz I'm soooooooo sick of politics.

[Phoenix Dark]

i'm on a tv blackout because i still don't have cable. smh. but according to GAF (lol) the media was torching her throughout the afternoon/evening news cycle.

[FlameOfCallandor]

And as a socialist, please don't try to associate filth like Hillary Clinton with my people.

Don't act like you wouldn't vote for her.

[Human Snorenado]

And as a socialist, please don't try to associate filth like Hillary Clinton with my people.

Don't act like you wouldn't vote for her.

I absolutely would not.  Remember that I voted for Nader with no problems in 2000 and 2004.  If the Democrat isn't to my liking they don't get my vote.

Do you plan on voting for Bob Barr in November, or will you cast your vote for McCain just to make sure the black guy doesn't get into the White House?

[siamesedreamer]

I think I'm still voting for Boby Cox.

Although, my bud just got back from a 15 month Iraq tour. Gonna pick his brain tomorrow. Maybe he'll convince me to go with McCain.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Do you plan on voting for Bob Barr in November, or will you cast your vote for McCain just to make sure the black guy doesn't get into the White House?

Skin color doesn't matter to me.

Tell me what the big differences are between obama and hillary.

[Human Snorenado]

Do you plan on voting for Bob Barr in November, or will you cast your vote for McCain just to make sure the black guy doesn't get into the White House?

Skin color doesn't matter to me.

Tell me what the big differences are between obama and hillary.

For me it begins and ends with Hillary's association with the DLC, the free trade lovin', big business favoring wing of the party.  Which makes her makeover into a "Champion of the Working Folk" just absolutely bullshit.

Also, she's a disgustingly negative harpy of a woman that shouldn't be near the oval office again for any reason, ever.

[MrAngryFace]

Most of the differences are differences of character, her platform is the essentially the same platform obama is running on, which was borrowed from edwards anyway. Ultimately being president isnt just about 'the issues', but how the person would adapt when their agenda doesnt cover something. Hillary, since going negative, has just been embarassing.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Most of the differences are differences of character, her platform is the essentially the same platform obama is running on, which was borrowed from edwards anyway. Ultimately being president isnt just about 'the issues', but how the person would adapt when their agenda doesnt cover something. Hillary, since going negative, has just been embarassing.

Ding Ding Ding. I'm amused think the president should even have enough power where his or her personality can affect things.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Do you plan on voting for Bob Barr in November, or will you cast your vote for McCain just to make sure the black guy doesn't get into the White House?

Skin color doesn't matter to me.

Tell me what the big differences are between obama and hillary.

For me it begins and ends with Hillary's association with the DLC, the free trade lovin', big business favoring wing of the party.  Which makes her makeover into a "Champion of the Working Folk" just absolutely bullshit.

So, I take it your not a fan of Bill Clinton either?

[MrAngryFace]

It is what it is. Never been more apparent than the last 8 years

[FlameOfCallandor]

It is what it is. Never been more apparent than the last 8 years

Then I'll vote for a candidate that actually offers real change in the ways of scaling back the executive branch.

[MrAngryFace]

Its a catch 22. People, like you for example, are stupid; they cannot regulate themselves.

[Phoenix Dark]

oh gtfo foc. personality =/= values. Hillary has totally embarrassed herself during this election, from the gas tax to the obliterate comment.

[FlameOfCallandor]

oh gtfo foc. personality =/= values. Hillary has totally embarrassed herself during this election, from the gas tax to the obliterate comment.

I'm agreeing with you. All the hate for hillary seems to be her personality, the difference in policy is marginal at best. And yet we have evilbore shitcans going gaga over the Obama and calling Hillary the worst thing ever.

[AdmiralViscen]

People are going gaga for Obama here?

[Human Snorenado]

Do you plan on voting for Bob Barr in November, or will you cast your vote for McCain just to make sure the black guy doesn't get into the White House?

Skin color doesn't matter to me.

Tell me what the big differences are between obama and hillary.

For me it begins and ends with Hillary's association with the DLC, the free trade lovin', big business favoring wing of the party.  Which makes her makeover into a "Champion of the Working Folk" just absolutely bullshit.

So, I take it your not a fan of Bill Clinton either?

Absolutely not.  Did plenty of terrible shit during his presidency- telecom consolidation, NAFTA, welfare "reform" etc etc.

[FlameOfCallandor]

People are going gaga for Obama here?

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That was more of a reference to Digg but people here are also.

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[Human Snorenado]

You know, of all the people who could say someone is going "gaga" over a Presidential candidate, I really think you should be the absolute LAST one to do so, FoC.

[Mandark]

This is a pointless hypothetical, but what would a Hillary platform look like if her two main challengers had been Evan Bayh and Mark Warner instead of Obama and Edwards?

For all her talk the last couple months about being a fighter and a champion, she spent years actively building a centrist reputation.  Every Hillary The Senator profile story I can remember hit three points: she's cautious, she works with Republicans (especially on lifestyle issues), and she does a good job with constituent services.

Until she started getting hammered from the left, she was pretty content to be seen as the Democratic Al D'Amato.

[FlameOfCallandor]

You know, of all the people who could say someone is going "gaga" over a Presidential candidate, I really think you should be the absolute LAST one to do so, FoC.

I'm not the one basing my opinion on charisma and empty words like Change and hope. Hillary and Obama are like almost identical and would do very similar things and yet you loathe one and suck the others cock.

[Mandark]

Triumph at least has a verifiable history as a cranky leftist.

You weren't a libertarian until this election.

[Van Cruncheon]

you're basing your opinion on empty words like change and freedom

[MrAngryFace]

Triumph at least has a verifiable history as a cranky leftist.

You weren't a libertarian until this election.

I smell a ManCrush!

and how could he not?

[Van Cruncheon]

hillary and obama have similar platforms, but which do i think will actually hew to it in office? not hillary.

[MrAngryFace]

Flame: We've been pretty clear why we don't like Hillary right now. Beating the dead 'identical platform' horse is pointless.

[Van Cruncheon]

foc, as a dogmatic libertarian, cannot separate the agent from the platform. and he calls us fools for charisma!

[FlameOfCallandor]

foc, as a dogmatic libertarian, cannot separate the agent from the platform. and he calls us fools for charisma!

Sure I can, I just dont understand how someone can be so in love with one person and hate another when they are almost the same damn thing. All of you would vote for hillary if she won. Dont even try to deny it.

[Human Snorenado]

foc, as a dogmatic libertarian, cannot separate the agent from the platform. and he calls us fools for charisma!

I think he's a fan because, you know, it stays whiter in Libertarian country.



Just saying!

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Racist!

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[Van Cruncheon]

foc, as a dogmatic libertarian, cannot separate the agent from the platform. and he calls us fools for charisma!

Sure I can, I just dont understand how someone can be so in love with one person and hate another when they are almost the same damn thing. All of you would vote for hillary if she won. Dont even try to deny it.

would you vote for this guy, foc



i hear he believes in freedom and the reduction of oppressive federal government

[FlameOfCallandor]

I dont even know what that picture means.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Know, In fact I lived in Baton Rouge when he ran for governer and I remember my mom getting out of the car at a red light and tearing one of his signs down. Alot of people honked at her. 

[Van Cruncheon]

that's the very image of "states' rights"

[FlameOfCallandor]

that's the very image of "states' rights"

No it's not the constitution is.

[Mandark]

hillary and obama have similar platforms, but which do i think will actually hew to it in office? not hillary.

Pretty much.  None of the main three were hugely liberal in the Senate, but Edwards was way out front on economic issues and Obama at least had a liberal record in the Illinois legislature.*  Hillary doesn't have anything like that.  She's always been associated with the centrist, neoliberal wing of the party.

I'd like to think that's just because she's had a blinkered view of what's achievable in American politics and in her heart of hearts she's a social democrat, but given a more reliably liberal option I'm not going to risk it.




*I think Obama doesn't talk too much about his record there because it would come across as too black: making police tape interrogations and record the race of people they pulled over, for instance.

[Van Cruncheon]

that's the very image of "states' rights"

No it's not the constitution is.

how amazingly dense are you

[Human Snorenado]

What are you talking about Mandark, she's the champion of the working people.  She's never going to stop fighting for them.  She's a fighter!  The media told me all of this!

[FlameOfCallandor]

that's the very image of "states' rights"

No it's not the constitution is.

how amazingly dense are you

I just told you a true story about tearing down a david duke sign and yet you gloss right over it, probably still thinking I'm a racist. That's pretty dense in my opinion.

[MrAngryFace]

THIS IS OUR TIME! WHAT RACISM?! WE R N KITCHEN ALL DAY ME RUN WORLD BADLY! EGAD!

[Van Cruncheon]

that's the very image of "states' rights"

No it's not the constitution is.

how amazingly dense are you

I just told you a true story about tearing down a david duke sign and yet you gloss right over it, probably still thinking I'm a racist. That's pretty dense in my opinion.

how could you miss my point

how

[FlameOfCallandor]

Because you dont have one. You're just trolling. Nice try though.

[Van Cruncheon]

i am pointing out that ron paul and david duke have argued very similar platforms -- in fact, your boy has been endorsed by david duke. you stupidly asked how two folks could have the same platform yet could elicit opposite reactions in supporters of that platform.

ron paul. david duke. if david duke picked up the nomination, would you vote for him?

[Mandark]

Triumph:  Honestly, I think the Clintons are non-radical progressives who fought their political battles over a couple decades when the electorate was center-right and a Democratic candidate had to do certain things to overcome that handicap.  Talk tough on foreign policy, actively distance yourself from the unpopular parts of the Dem coalition (hippies and angry darkies), stay away from the culture wars and only attempt very incremental gains.

Things are shifting to the left now and they're slow to recognize it.  But at least they're not kicking and screaming like Joe Lieberman.

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Of course maybe she's just spent so much time around the usual beltway power brokers that she just got comfortable with it and accepts corporatism as the natural state of things.  Maybe she really dislikes the activist wing of the Dems on the merits (like her recent quote about MoveOn disagreeing with her foreign policy).  I like the first version better, though.  I'm a romantic soul.

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