Author Topic: Help me bring down Catholicism! (Read 1663 times)

recursivelyenumerable · « **on:** May 25, 2008, 01:23:17 AM »

hey guys,

this belief system has been around for quite some time despite relying on premises and rationales I know to be fallacious. I'm getting kind of tired of this and feel like bringing it to an end with some deftly reasoned arguments. Could somebody watch my stuff while I go do that?

Mupepe · « **Reply #1 on:** May 25, 2008, 01:25:50 AM »

Ok, Sinead....

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #2 on:** May 25, 2008, 01:30:06 AM »

why don't you get a woman to notice you first before going after the great whore herself

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #3 on:** May 25, 2008, 01:31:13 AM »

getting women to notice me has never been the problem, try again.

Crushed · « **Reply #4 on:** May 25, 2008, 01:34:03 AM »

i'm going to go report you to my local priest, he can authorize me to use my demon-hunting tools that all catholics carry

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #5 on:** May 25, 2008, 01:34:50 AM »

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on May 25, 2008, 01:31:13 AM

getting women to notice me has never been the problem, try again.

i think you're confusing "me" with "my acne"

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #6 on:** May 25, 2008, 01:35:51 AM »

i hear financial aid packages for remedial troll school are easy to get this summer

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #7 on:** May 25, 2008, 01:40:26 AM »

why pay when you can take the class online

you make the worst threads here by far, and your rants become more and more incoherent by the day. i'd feel sorry for you if you weren't such a snob

Mandark · « **Reply #8 on:** May 25, 2008, 01:53:39 AM »

Says the goddamn prince of the superiority complex.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #9 on:** May 25, 2008, 01:54:37 AM »

look who's talking. please explain

Mupepe · « **Reply #10 on:** May 25, 2008, 01:58:30 AM »

at what this thread has become

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #11 on:** May 25, 2008, 02:01:38 AM »

My threads are always PERFECT

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #12 on:** May 25, 2008, 02:02:39 AM »

i'm the most humble poster here by far

Mandark · « **Reply #13 on:** May 25, 2008, 02:06:37 AM »

PD: How many times have you implicitly patted yourself on the back for not being part of some group you disdain? Pop culture, politics, whatever. How many of your posts boil down to "I've got a nuanced view of this, NOT LIKE THE PLEBES"?

Hit the ground running with the Randi Rhodes forum (?) stuff and haven't looked back.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #14 on:** May 25, 2008, 02:09:42 AM »

welcome to fucking evil bore. everyone here participates in some form of self crusading

especially you

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #15 on:** May 25, 2008, 02:11:31 AM »

Man, nobody will fucking watch my stuff, even when it's for a good cause. THIS is why I have a persecution complex!

Mandark · « **Reply #16 on:** May 25, 2008, 02:27:22 AM »

Quote from: Amber Lambchops on May 25, 2008, 02:09:42 AM

welcome to fucking evil bore.

No kidding. I just started kvetching about this in the Indy thread.

Still, if you need to reassure yourself that there are people inferior to you, just hit up some random Youtube comments for a fix. No need to make it a central theme.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #17 on:** May 25, 2008, 02:34:46 AM »

oh i definitely agree. it's a part of e-life, but it shouldn't be the domineering factor of it.

but you're making me forget how much i can't stand hive face

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #18 on:** May 25, 2008, 03:51:35 AM »

i'll watch your stuff, tennin. good luck!

Mandark · « **Reply #19 on:** May 25, 2008, 04:08:02 AM »

Why you gonna go after the Catholic church anyway?

The Left Behind protestant crowd should be a higher priority.

Mupepe · « **Reply #20 on:** May 25, 2008, 04:11:27 AM »

What? Left Behind is awesome nonsense. And the movie is a perfect drunk movie. It's so terribly good. You can even play a game that everytime they mention Jesus, you take a shot.

Mandark · « **Reply #21 on:** May 25, 2008, 04:17:49 AM »

You trying to kill me with that drinking game?

Mupepe · « **Reply #22 on:** May 25, 2008, 04:25:28 AM »

Only trying to help you get closer to Jesus.

max_cool · « **Reply #23 on:** May 25, 2008, 09:09:40 AM »

I'm in Italy, what can I do to help?

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #24 on:** May 25, 2008, 09:12:34 AM »

Make a big scene. Provide a distraction.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #25 on:** May 25, 2008, 11:54:05 AM »

The Catholic Church has had nearly 2,000 years to master the art of sophistry. The Church has a history of Christian apologetics who will argue on the church's behalf and have learned to modify their message to their audiences. For example, when Catholics recite Anselm's arguments for the existence of God to the credulous, they claim that these arguments prove that God does exist. When they recite them to the more skeptical, these arguments merely demonstrate that reason and belief are not in conflict with each other.

The Catholic Church professes to respect reason, but they only respect it as a tool. If they truly had respect for reason, they wouldn't believe in the incoherent theory of the holy trinity, the absurdity of the virgin birth, or in a god who is both omnibenevolent and omnipotent in such an imperfect world. If they respected reason, then they would allow women to be priests and they would allow African's to put condoms on their penises!

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #26 on:** May 25, 2008, 12:45:38 PM »

Quote from: Mupepe on May 25, 2008, 04:11:27 AM

What? Left Behind is awesome nonsense. And the movie is a perfect drunk movie. It's so terribly good. You can even play a game that everytime they mention Jesus, you take a shot.

This sounds like my kind of game.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #27 on:** May 25, 2008, 02:04:57 PM »

mupepe make your you get Left Behind 3. Louis Gossett Jr is in it

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #28 on:** May 26, 2008, 08:47:50 AM »

That's the one thing I cherished about being a confirmed Lutheran ... they spend about 3 weeks teaching you why Catholics are evil.

Hurray for interdenominational backstabbing.

Eric P · « **Reply #29 on:** May 26, 2008, 02:18:36 PM »

i love Catholicism

without it, i wouldn't have nearly as many neurosis.

trippingmartian · « **Reply #30 on:** May 26, 2008, 09:54:37 PM »

The eucharist isn't bad. And it's free.

Tristam · « **Reply #31 on:** May 27, 2008, 02:40:59 AM »

Quote from: Malek: King of Kings on May 25, 2008, 11:54:05 AM

The Catholic Church has had nearly 2,000 years to master the art of sophistry. The Church has a history of Christian apologetics who will argue on the church's behalf and have learned to modify their message to their audiences. For example, when Catholics recite Anselm's arguments for the existence of God to the credulous, they claim that these arguments prove that God does exist. When they recite them to the more skeptical, these arguments merely demonstrate that reason and belief are not in conflict with each other.

The Catholic Church professes to respect reason, but they only respect it as a tool. If they truly had respect for reason, they wouldn't believe in the incoherent theory of the holy trinity, the absurdity of the virgin birth, or in a god who is both omnibenevolent and omnipotent in such an imperfect world. If they respected reason, then they would allow women to be priests and they would allow African's to put condoms on their penises!

I don't keep up with the Church's teachings, but they still use St. Anselm's proof? I thought Aquinas's cosmological proof replaced that hundreds of years ago when Anselm's "perfect being" proof didn't withstand a comparison to a "perfect island," much less today's scrutiny.

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #32 on:** May 27, 2008, 02:52:06 AM »

This is taking a little longer than I expected, but I think I've got it under control. I'll give you a status update sometime soon.

BobFromPikeCreek · « **Reply #33 on:** May 27, 2008, 02:53:39 AM »

Can I call dibs on the little jesus breads they give out?

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #34 on:** May 27, 2008, 01:07:31 PM »

Quote from: Tristam on May 27, 2008, 02:40:59 AM

Quote from: Malek: King of Kings on May 25, 2008, 11:54:05 AM
The Catholic Church has had nearly 2,000 years to master the art of sophistry. The Church has a history of Christian apologetics who will argue on the church's behalf and have learned to modify their message to their audiences. For example, when Catholics recite Anselm's arguments for the existence of God to the credulous, they claim that these arguments prove that God does exist. When they recite them to the more skeptical, these arguments merely demonstrate that reason and belief are not in conflict with each other.

The Catholic Church professes to respect reason, but they only respect it as a tool. If they truly had respect for reason, they wouldn't believe in the incoherent theory of the holy trinity, the absurdity of the virgin birth, or in a god who is both omnibenevolent and omnipotent in such an imperfect world. If they respected reason, then they would allow women to be priests and they would allow African's to put condoms on their penises!

I don't keep up with the Church's teachings, but they still use St. Anselm's proof? I thought Aquinas's cosmological proof replaced that hundreds of years ago when Anselm's "perfect being" proof didn't withstand a comparison to a "perfect island," much less today's scrutiny.

It's true that Aquinas has had a bigger impact on the Church, but his proofs fare no better than Anslem's. Anselm's ontological proof is deeply flawed, but Aquinas’s cosmological and teleological arguments are just as flawed, while being somewhat unoriginal.

The perfect island analogy (or the island which none greater can be conceived) was actually made during Anslem's lifetime, but was not seen as a refutation of the argument because you can always augment an island, by adding trees for example, so the concept of a perfect island was believed to be incoherent.

The Ontological argument was advanced through the years by philosophers such as Spinoza, Leibniz, and Descartes. But the argument finally lost much of its respectability with Kant's critique: existence isn't a property that an entity can possess or lack, i.e., existence is not a predicate.

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Author Topic: Help me bring down Catholicism! (Read 1663 times)