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Don't be surprised when society gives you something as science and it isn't science at all. Kind of like how some parts of america want to give you creationism as science.

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So all the scientific discoveries made by NASA are not scientific?  ???

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So all the scientific discoveries made by NASA are not scientific?  ???

Did I say that?

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So all the scientific discoveries made by NASA are not scientific?  ???

Did I say that?

What were you saying then?

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Don't be surprised when society gives you something as science and it isn't science at all. Kind of like how some parts of america want to give you creationism as science.

or some parts of america want to give you the gold standard
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Don't be surprised when society gives you something as science and it isn't science at all. Kind of like how some parts of america want to give you creationism as science.

or some parts of america want to give you the gold standard

The difference is that my example is actually happening. Your example is likely to never happen.

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which means i shouldn't be concerned about either outcome why?
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Bob Barr? I loved him on the Price is Right!
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So all the scientific discoveries made by NASA are not scientific?  ???

Did I say that?

I'm not really sure what you said. The United States is full of scientifically illiterate people, but has never had anything approaching Lysenkoism. Generally, scientific research isn't forced to conform to strict ideological or religious convictions. American society is full of creationists, but they make up a small percentage of actual scientists and have next to no influence in the scientific community.

Has NASA had a history of modifying scientific research to fit society's religious and ideological beliefs? If not, you are simply using unwarranted fear. The people most likely to be in favor of funding NASA adequately are also the same people least likely to be in favor of contaminating science with ideological nonsense.

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which means i shouldn't be concerned about either outcome why?
Are you concerned with the teaching of creationism? I mean it is "Society-backed" to use your term.

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remember that libertarian corporatism is also ideological nonsense i'd rather not have tainting science, even if the folks paying their taxes really DO love the aibo
« Last Edit: May 26, 2008, 08:23:30 PM by Professor Prole »
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The people most likely to be in favor of funding NASA adequately are also the same people least likely to be in favor of contaminating science with ideological nonsense.

Proof?

FlameOfCallandor

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remember that libertarian corporatism is also idiological nonsense i'd rather not tainting science, even if the folks paying their taxes really DO love the aibo
:lol :lol :lol

Tell me what that means. I have no idea.

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We can always tell when FoC is losing, he starts shouting 'PROOF?'
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I think that FoC is suggesting NASA is staffed by sleeper Creationists waiting for the inauguration of President Huckabee to unleash their anti-Science beam on an unsuspecting public.

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We can always tell when FoC is losing, he starts shouting 'PROOF?'

and demanding clarification of simple terms. he's like the Phoenix Wright player who doesn't know how to solve the case and just clicks on every piece of evidence hoping to advance the plot
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The Phoenix lander is actually delivering the bible.
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FlameOfCallandor

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We can always tell when FoC is losing, he starts shouting 'PROOF?'

Do you have any?


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and demanding clarification of simple terms.
I honestly dont know what libertarian corporatism is. But im sure its really evil and mean and wants to butt rape you.

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We can always tell when FoC is losing, he starts shouting 'PROOF?'

and demanding clarification of simple terms. he's like the Phoenix Wright player who doesn't know how to solve the case and just clicks on every piece of evidence hoping to advance the plot


We need some kind of penalty system lol
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okay, he is NOT allowed to demand proof until he can demonstrate that libertarianism works
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FlameOfCallandor

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okay, he is NOT allowed to demand proof until he can demonstrate that libertarianism works

Can you prove that socialism works?

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We can always tell when FoC is losing, he starts shouting 'PROOF?'

Do you have any?


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and demanding clarification of simple terms.
I honestly dont know what libertarian corporatism is. But im sure its really evil and mean and wants to butt rape you.

libertarian corporatism --  the implicit argument to all libertarian economic rationalizations that suggests any regulation is bad, and hence that corporations should go unregulated. see also: the morality of profit.
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okay, he is NOT allowed to demand proof until he can demonstrate that libertarianism works

Can you prove that socialism works?

where am i suggesting it does? THE WORLD IS NOT BLACK AND WHITE.
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FlameOfCallandor

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okay, he is NOT allowed to demand proof until he can demonstrate that libertarianism works

Can you prove that socialism works?

where am i suggesting it does? THE WORLD IS NOT BLACK AND WHITE.

I dont know you brought up Libertarianism when we were talking about NASA

THE WORLD IS NOT BLACK AND WHITE.


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which means i shouldn't be concerned about either outcome why?
Are you concerned with the teaching of creationism? I mean it is "Society-backed" to use your term.

yes i am. i am arguing that society is a REALITY that must be dealt with, not that it is moral or right in any or all circumstances. Libertarianism denies reality, presuming that all men are islands, that liberty exists independent of society, and that economics are a fundamentally objective condition just because they play so nice with numbers.
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FlameOfCallandor

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We can always tell when FoC is losing, he starts shouting 'PROOF?'

Do you have any?


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and demanding clarification of simple terms.
I honestly dont know what libertarian corporatism is. But im sure its really evil and mean and wants to butt rape you.

libertarian corporatism --  the implicit argument to all libertarian economic rationalizations that suggests any regulation is bad, and hence that corporations should go unregulated. see also: the morality of profit.



Corporations are bad becuase
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Let me explain to you how this works. You see, the corporations finance Team America. And then Team America goes out and the corporations sit there in their, ih in their corporation buildings and, and and see that's, they're all corporationy, and they make money. Mhm.

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did i say they were bad? suggesting they need regulation does NOT suggest that all corporations are evil. THE WORLD IS NOT BLACK AND WHITE.
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FlameOfCallandor

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yes i am. i am arguing that society is a REALITY that must be dealt with, not that it is moral or right in any or all circumstances. Libertarianism denies reality, presuming that all men are islands, that liberty exists independent of society, and that economics are a fundamentally objective condition just because they play so nice with numbers.

I'm arguing that different aspects of society should be voluntary. If I don't want to pay for NASA, the Iraq war, creationism or a bridge to nowhere then I shouldn't have to. Very little in a free society should be mandatory, it should be a choice, hence the word freedom.

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proof?
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PROOF!
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FlameOfCallandor

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Here is the difference from when I ask for proof and when you do.
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I'm arguing that different aspects of society should be voluntary. If I don't want to pay for NASA, the Iraq war, creationism or a bridge to nowhere then I shouldn't have to. Very little in a free society should be mandatory, it should be a choice, hence the word freedom.

IS AN OPINON


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The people most likely to be in favor of funding NASA adequately are also the same people least likely to be in favor of contaminating science with ideological nonsense.

IS WRITTEN AS A FACT.


Surely you know the difference between fact and opinions right Prole?


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Very little in a free society should be mandatory, it should be a choice, hence the word freedom.

IS WRITTEN AS A FACT.


fix'd to assist.

have we descended into semantic wrangling, now? has it really gotten so bad for you?
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GUYS.  The question of whether PS3=NASA has been shown to be UNDECIDABLE under standard ZFC.  Consistent models with PS3=NASA and ~(PS3=NASA) have BOTH been constructed.  So stop arguing and shake hands.
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Very little in a free society should be mandatory, it should be a choice, hence the word freedom.

IS WRITTEN AS A FACT.


fix'd to assist.


Are you saying that
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Very little in a free society should be mandatory, it should be a choice, hence the word freedom.
is written as a fact. Do I need proof to say an opinion.

I cant tell if you are trolling or distinguished mentally-challenged. I'm pretty sure your trolling because I dont think you can be that stupid.


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have we descended into semantic wrangling, now? has it really gotten so bad for you?
Have you descended into posting the word "PROOF?" for an opinion.
 :lol :lol


FlameOfCallandor

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Actually I just remembered, now that Im unlepered I can ignore Prole's trolling.

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Haha, cant win? Ignore em. That'll help people take you seriously you fucktard.
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FlameOfCallandor

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Haha, cant win? Ignore em. That'll help people take you seriously you fucktard.

Can anyone win when Prole trolls?

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I think you'd win if you weren't so stupid.
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The people most likely to be in favor of funding NASA adequately are also the same people least likely to be in favor of contaminating science with ideological nonsense.

IS WRITTEN AS A FACT.



I wrote that as fact because it should be pretty intuitive that people who want to fund actual scientific research want to do so, at least in part, to increase our knowledge of the universe. It is incoherent to want to increase the funding of a scientific organization only to subvert that scientific organization's research. If people want to simply promote their own ideological prejudices, they should not fund scientific organizations. Unless you live in a totalitarian society, it is not an effective way to promote one's ideology. And the scientific community and the educated members of our society would raise a holy stink.




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I like how FoC can ponder pure conspiracy, but the instant we refute it he asks US for proof lol
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What conspiracy?

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I think you'd win if you weren't so stupid.

We were all winners when he couldn't create his own threads, and had no option to ignore people.  Just saying!
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Huck shits on libertarianism/strict conservatism

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What can the party do to reverse course?

Republicans need to be Republicans. The greatest threat to classic Republicanism is not liberalism; it's this new brand of libertarianism, which is social liberalism and economic conservatism, but it's a heartless, callous, soulless type of economic conservatism because it says "look, we want to cut taxes and eliminate government. If it means that elderly people don't get their Medicare drugs, so be it. If it means little kids go without education and healthcare, so be it." Well, that might be a pure economic conservative message, but it's not an American message. It doesn't fly. People aren't going to buy that, because that's not the way we are as a people. That's not historic Republicanism. Historic Republicanism does not hate government; it's just there to be as little of it as there can be. But they also recognize that government has to be paid for.

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Do you think Obama is an evangelical?

I don't know that I would call him an evangelical, but I think he's certainly a Christian, he openly declares his Christian faith, and I think some Republicans who try to dismiss that are making a big mistake, and they'll be very naïve if they think they can just assume that all of the faith vote is going to automatically go Republican this year. It is not.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/will-mari/huckabee-on-the-next-repu_b_103556.html

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2012 can't come soon enough :bow

 
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MrAngryFace

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I think you'd win if you weren't so stupid.

We were all winners when he couldn't create his own threads, and had no option to ignore people.  Just saying!

Hay, IM not the one that unlepered him!
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I think you'd win if you weren't so stupid.

We were all winners when he couldn't create his own threads, and had no option to ignore people.  Just saying!

Hay, IM not the one that unlepered him!

I know, I just want to keep reiterating that until the inevitable happens, so that I can be the one that says "I was constantly telling you guys..."
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My Econ teacher is a huge libertarian.  I really didn't like him before finding out, and now I just can't wait for the semester to end.  He and two students in my class just won't shut up. 

I had several militant communists in a number of my classes. That wasn't very fun either. There were a number of libertarians too, but they weren't social atomists or belligerent

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Economists are soulless anyways. 

Or, in the case of Paul Krugman, just dumb.
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why you gotta hate the krug
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I just thought of something. Since Prole is so anal about charters, where in our charter (The constitution) does it say that it is the federal governments job to advance "longterm scientific achievement and social inspiration"




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why you gotta hate the krug

Krugman == Hillary supporter.
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I just thought of something. Since Prole is so anal about charters, where in our charter (The constitution) does it say that it is the federal governments job to advance "longterm scientific achievement and social inspiration"

I dunno, but it does say some interesting things about distinguished black fellows and how their owners get to count them as 3/5 of a vote!
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I think there's definitely a validity in asserting that if funding NASA [/ anything] results in research which is not immediately commercially viable, yet advances research / science on the whole, in a manner that has permeating effects therefore on science and research on the whole, then there is a common public interest in government funding.
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I think there's definitely a validity in asserting that if funding NASA [/ anything] results in research which is not immediately commercially viable, yet advances research / science on the whole, in a manner that has permeating effects therefore on science and research on the whole, then there is a common public interest in government funding.

Yeah, NASA doesn't need to produce non-stick frying pans to be valuable to society. It's just a nice bonus.

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I think there's definitely a validity in asserting that if funding NASA [/ anything] results in research which is not immediately commercially viable, yet advances research / science on the whole, in a manner that has permeating effects therefore on science and research on the whole, then there is a common public interest in government funding.

I can see that argument, but in my humble opinion thats just not the governments job. When NASA was created during the cold war it was and still is under the defense budget. It could probably be legitimately argued defense back then. Now though, its more like a shinny toy we show the rest of the world. I mean how many times do we need to see snapshots from mars rover on CNN while they tell us that their might be water there!

And to be honest guys, NASA is one of the last thing I would get rid of. We are just debating the principle of it.




Yeah, NASA doesn't need to produce non-stick frying pans to be valuable to society. It's just a nice bonus.

In your opinion what does it need to do?

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Yeah..and there really is no good private equivalent that would result if NASA were eliminated. 

You mean their is not private entity that would waste billions on pointless research! I'm utterly shocked!  :o

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he's not soulless; he's just short-sighted. The fundamental flaw with ALL libertarians is that aside from their sense of larger alienation, they have a need for immediate (and usually monetary) return on any investment. Money is important, no doubt, but it's not the only currency that drives human social existence. The world is far, far more complex than simply the exchange of goods/services. Business is often a very poor metaphor for the social behaviors of humanity at large, but to the simple-minded, it seems quite convenient. (Alternatively: the Bible!) It's all the same need to simplify and reduce the frightening complexity of the world, rather than realize that world must be dealt with anew in each individual circumstance, and that the common rules always fluctuate from moment to moment.

That said, alienation leads to demands for short-term returns, because you feel that society will turn on you at any moment, depriving you of opportunity. Poor Libertarians: owned by Jung and Foucault years ago, and they still don't know it!
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Profit is the incentive for everything whether you Libtards get that or not.  :lol :lol Somewhere in the chain someone is getting something out of it.

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Henry Rollins is anti-NASA

he feels the money could be spent on people on Earth much more effectively.

i see his point, but disagree, taking the tack that arts and sciences must be funded because they elevate us as a society.

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i married my wife for profit? i had a child for profit? i am loyal to my friends for profit? i post on message boards for profit?
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