Bob Barr is Winnar! and Prole reiterates that the PS3 is indeed NOT NASA

[FlameOfCallandor]

http://www.lp.org/media/article_589.shtml

Libertarian Party selects Bob Barr as 2008 presidential nominee

Denver - The Libertarian Party has nominated former Congressman Bob Barr as its candidate for president for the 2008 election.

"I'm sure we will emerge here with the strongest ticket in the history of the Libertarian Party," Barr stated in his victory speech shortly after being selected as the Party's nominee. "I want everybody to remember that we only have 163 days to win this election.  We cannot waste one single day."

More than 650 Libertarian delegates met in Denver from May 22 till the 26 for the 2008 Libertarian National Convention.  After six rounds of voting Sunday afternoon, Barr was selected as the Party's presidential nominee. 

"We're proud to present to the American voters Bob Barr as our presidential nominee," says Libertarian Party spokesperson Andrew Davis. "While Republicans and Democrats will fight for their own power in November, Libertarians will fight for Americans.  Bob Barr is one of the strongest candidates in the Party's 37-year history, and we look for him to have an enormous impact in the 2008 race.  Republicans and Democrats have good reason to fear a candidate like Barr, who refuses to accept the 'business-as-usual' attitude of the current political establishment.  Americans want and need another choice, and that choice is Bob Barr."

The Libertarian Party is America's third largest political party, founded in 1971 as an alternative to the two main political parties.  You can find more information on the Libertarian Party by visiting www.LP.org. The Libertarian Party proudly stands for smaller government, lower taxes and more freedom.

[FancyFeast]

Him re-enacting his famous sword fights with Trent Lott. 

[Van Cruncheon]

tee hee

if ron paul is the pope of the free market faith, then bob barr is the pederast cardinal of the americas

[Phoenix Dark]

he's gonna fuck over McCain in November

[FlameOfCallandor]

he's gonna fuck over McCain in November

I doubt it. But I kind of hope he does.

[Van Cruncheon]

who is the candidate for the belligerent baptist voting bloc?

alas, huck, we hardly new ye. :'( if there's a revolution, it will not come from effete progressives but from the rapture-as-mandate set

my dream government involves special "camps" for baptists where homosexuals use their mouths as aids toilets

[Phoenix Dark]

didn't you read the article about evangelitrolls staying home in November so Obama can win, thus setting off biblical disasters? and then in 2012 huck emerges as God's Candidate

[Van Cruncheon]

mmm, preznit obama PLUS armageddon PLUS all christians being taken to heaven! it's like hitting the trifecta!

[Van Cruncheon]

despite my persistently confirmed belief that all lolbertarians are naive, short-sighted, anti-social dogmatists, i would take a million years of ron paul over one day of huck in office

[FlameOfCallandor]

despite my persistently confirmed belief that all lolbertarians are naive, short-sighted, anti-social dogmatists, i would take a million ron pauls over one huck

Ron Paul isnt that bad, as much as you try to say. I know you know this but have to keep up the act for Internet LOLs. Alot of you guys would probably vote for Ron Paul over Hillary the way yo guys talk about her.

What's the worst thing that would happen if Ron Paul were president?

[Phoenix Dark]

i would take a million ron pauls over neocons. honestly i hope paul set off some revolution that will bear fruit in a couple decades as the GOP moves away from the bullshit and more towards their true calling. whoever institutes these changes won't be as extremist as paul, just as reagan wasn't as extremist as goldwater - but yea, i hope he was the seed planter

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then i can email EB links to the NY Times to swift boat FoC's 2036 senate run

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[Fragamemnon]

whether or not barr has an impact really depends on Ron Paul endorsing and supporting him over McCain, I would think. Paul's the rockstar in that movement, not barr.

[FlameOfCallandor]

then i can email EB links to the NY Times to swift boat FoC's 2036 senate run

I can't wait till elections in the future when stuff like this starts happening. I can see it now. Presidential candidate Bush the 3rd's 4chan posts found!

[FlameOfCallandor]

whether or not barr has an impact really depends on Ron Paul endorsing and supporting him over McCain, I would think. Paul's the rockstar in that movement, not barr.

You can count on it. Unless Mccain makes a dramatic change, Ron Paul has already said he doesnt support him.

[Van Cruncheon]

despite my persistently confirmed belief that all lolbertarians are naive, short-sighted, anti-social dogmatists, i would take a million ron pauls over one huck

Ron Paul isnt that bad, as much as you try to say. I know you know this but have to keep up the act for Internet LOLs. Alot of you guys would probably vote for Ron Paul over Hillary the way yo guys talk about her.

What's the worst thing that would happen if Ron Paul were president?

from my perspective and off the top of my head? a rise in corporatism; a lack of strong environmental regulations; bad currency investments and money policy (greenspan's been bad enough); potential damage to federal institutions i want to see reformed and strengthened (DoE, NEA, FDA, EPA, NASA); no chance of meaningful roosevelt-styled economic regulations

good things? the death of confrontationalism as foreign policy; a big middle finger to the ten commandments folks; constitutionalist court appointments; abortions for everyone

[Phoenix Dark]

don't forget michigan quality roads for everyone!

[FlameOfCallandor]

a rise in corporatism; a lack of strong environmental regulations; bad currency investments and money policy (greenspan's been bad enough); potential damage to federal institutions i want to see reformed and strengthened (DoE, NEA, FDA, EPA, NASA); no chance of meaningful roosevelt-styled economic regulations

 


What do you consider good money policy?
Why do you think their would be a rise in corporatism. Remember Ron Paul would stop all the subsides to large corporations like wal-mart etc...

[Van Cruncheon]

if michigan's residents can't find the money to buy decent roadwork from halliburton, fuck 'em!

[FlameOfCallandor]

if michigan's residents can't find the money to buy decent roadwork from halliburton, fuck 'em!

Maybe if someone in michigan got a job.

Oh SNAP!

[Phoenix Dark]

radioactive asphalt 

[APF]

Is NASA actually relevant nowadays?  Are they still doing [/could they still do] unique research that has substantial utility in practical terms?

[FlameOfCallandor]

Is NASA actually relevant nowadays?  Are they still doing [/could they still do] unique research that has substantial utility in practical terms?

 

[Van Cruncheon]

you mean in terms of immediate profit potential -- i.e. the golden calf of all lolbertarians? no. in terms of longterm scientific achievement and social inspiration? yes.

[APF]

I ask out of ignorance, not because I have some agenda.

[APF]

"Inspiration" though, seems like it can come from anywhere.

[FlameOfCallandor]

you mean in terms of immediate profit potential -- i.e. the golden calf of all lolbertarians? no. in terms of longterm scientific achievement and social inspiration? yes.

Way to be extremely vague. Didnt Sony use the same excuse with the PS3? "It has lots of potential, so its really worth it guys. Trust us."

[Van Cruncheon]

oh sweet jesus, foc. please: never make an analogy again.

[FlameOfCallandor]

oh sweet jesus, foc. please: never make an analogy again.

You have failed to point out any fallacy.

[FlameOfCallandor]

You know what would be really inspirational to me? Not having 33% of my wages that I earned taken away from me, so i buy stuff for myself.

But I guess that's not quite the same as broken Mars Rovers churning out out big JPEGs of red rocks.

[APF]

PS3 wha?

[Van Cruncheon]

i am getting very tired of pointing out the grossly obvious with you, although i find it hilarious that you consider the federal government to be directly analogous to a for-profit consumer-focused corporation. disingenuous similarities aside, here you go: the ps3 is a retail item sold to a largely homogenous niche market. nasa is not. the ps3 needs immediate profits to remain viable; there is nothing in nasa's charter that specifies that. lastly, the audience for the ps3 is directly self-selecting; nasa's is not in any meaningful way.

[Van Cruncheon]

You know what would be really inspirational to me? Not having 33% of my wages that I earned taken away from me, so i buy stuff for myself.

But I guess that's not quite the same as broken Mars Rovers churning out out big JPEGs of red rocks.

you don't earn shit, anyway, so it's not like libertarian society has much use for you. upon your back are the feet of titans rested, and all that.

[FlameOfCallandor]

i am getting very tired of pointing out the grossly obvious with you, although i find it hilarious that you consider the federal government to be directly analogous to a for-profit consumer-focused corporation. disingenuous similarities aside, here you go: the ps3 is a retail item sold to a largely homogenous niche market. nasa is not. the ps3 needs immediate profits to remain viable; there is nothing in nasa's charter that specifies that. lastly, the audience for the ps3 is directly self-selecting; nasa's is not in any meaningful way.

So your excuses for NASA are the following

1. NASA doenst make a profit.
2. NASA doesnt need a profit because of its charter. Never mind that we are in fact debating the merit of NASA to begin with.
3. NASA's audience doesnt get a choice.

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Sounds great. I want to create a charter that says I get lots of tax money so then you cant debate the merit of it because it's in the charter. LOLOLOLOLZ

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[APF]

Uh, I'm not interested in this pseudo debate over whether or not we should have a NASA; personally I'm more interested in why you said NASA specifically, as IIRC something that was underfunded [edit] needed to be reformed and strengthened.

[MrAngryFace]

The work NASA does is very important long-term, especially since other countries are thinking the same thing. Sure they move slow, but considering the budget cuts they get all the time, I'm not shocked.

Science in the United States is really in a bad way. IIRC even super colliders are losing funding, and larger better ones are being built in other countries. Scientists are not like the military, the only way we can hold them is with the funding to let them run with their ideas. It took a dire situation like WWII to drive our last great think tank to us in 30s and 40s; once they all leave the US over the next few years over public and govt ignorance over the importance of scientific progress, I am not quite sure how we'll ever get them back.

This isnt an argument for NASA so much as an argument against selfishness and ignorance masked as short-term practicallity.

[FlameOfCallandor]

The work NASA does is very important long-term, especially since other countries are thinking the same thing. Sure they move slow, but considering the budget cuts they get all the time, I'm not shocked.

Such as?

I'm still waiting for an answer to APF's question.

Is NASA actually relevant nowadays? 

[MrAngryFace]

The work NASA does is very important long-term, especially since other countries are thinking the same thing. Sure they move slow, but considering the budget cuts they get all the time, I'm not shocked.

Such as?

I'm still waiting for an answer to APF's question.

Is NASA actually relevant nowadays? 

If youre too stupid to even theorize what i might be thinking of, i'm not sure I want to spend the time.

[AdmiralViscen]

The work NASA does is very important long-term, especially since other countries are thinking the same thing. Sure they move slow, but considering the budget cuts they get all the time, I'm not shocked.

Science in the United States is really in a bad way. IIRC even super colliders are losing funding, and larger better ones are being built in other countries. Scientists are not like the military, the only way we can hold them is with the funding to let them run with their ideas. It took a dire situation like WWII to drive our last great think tank to us in 30s and 40s; once they all leave the US over the next few years over public and govt ignorance over the importance of scientific progress, I am not quite sure how we'll ever get them back.

This isnt an argument for NASA so much as an argument against selfishness and ignorance masked as short-term practicallity.

Pitch-perfect post.

PPP

[Van Cruncheon]

Uh, I'm not interested in this pseudo debate over whether or not we should have a NASA; personally I'm more interested in why you said NASA specifically, as IIRC something that was underfunded [edit] needed to be reformed and strengthened.

putting it in that list was a mistake, but in case you missed the caveat: it was off the top of my head. i like my tax dollars going to nasa.

[Van Cruncheon]

i am getting very tired of pointing out the grossly obvious with you, although i find it hilarious that you consider the federal government to be directly analogous to a for-profit consumer-focused corporation. disingenuous similarities aside, here you go: the ps3 is a retail item sold to a largely homogenous niche market. nasa is not. the ps3 needs immediate profits to remain viable; there is nothing in nasa's charter that specifies that. lastly, the audience for the ps3 is directly self-selecting; nasa's is not in any meaningful way.

So your excuses for NASA are the following

1. NASA doenst make a profit.
2. NASA doesnt need a profit because of its charter. Never mind that we are in fact debating the merit of NASA to begin with.
3. NASA's audience doesnt get a choice.

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Sounds great. I want to create a charter that says I get lots of tax money so then you cant debate the merit of it because it's in the charter. LOLOLOLOLZ

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no, idiot, those are my reasons nasa isn't the playstation 3, and why your analogy is spurious. you are almost impossibly stupid.

[FlameOfCallandor]

putting in that list was a mistake, but in case you missed the caveat: it was off -the-top of my head. i like my tax dollars going to nasa.

Do you give extra money to NASA? Do you donate to any other Science/ space exploration organizations?

[FlameOfCallandor]

no, idiot, those are my reasons nasa isn't the playstation 3, and why your analogy is spurious. you are almost impossibly stupid.

I never said that NASA was the PS3.

[Candyflip]

could chop a camel right in its hump and drink all its milk.

[Van Cruncheon]

Way to be extremely vague. Didnt Sony use the same excuse with the PS3? "It has lots of potential, so its really worth it guys. Trust us."

pluto this filth in the name of nasa

[APF]

I'm not against funding science in the abstract, but I'm questioning why fund NASA specifically and not some other org, group of orgs, universities, other things I may be missing, etc; I'm not a "science guy" so again I'm asking out of ignorance more than anything else.  As a layman I get the sense that much of the utility of the initial hayday of the science program has come and went, and other countries are interested more for national pride issues than utilitarian concerns, even far-reaching ones.

[AdmiralViscen]

no, idiot, those are my reasons nasa isn't the playstation 3, and why your analogy is spurious. you are almost impossibly stupid.

I never said that NASA was the PS3.

[Van Cruncheon]

because nasa has the name, the public awareness, the organizational structure, and the charter?

[MrAngryFace]

I think its because NASA is established and has delivered before. Its essentially a gimme. The govt knows a space race is in our future, and it knows it wants to keep a portion for itself, aside from all the commercially funded ventures. NASA doesnt actually get that much money. They just happen to actually get some. Unlike most organizations they are tied to the Govt, and the Govt likes to look good.

I think ultimately the problem with funding NASA is that exploring the unexplored is so damned failure prone, and even tests and built in redundancy jacks of the operating costs for each project. They've been getting better and better each year as their techniques get better and better.

Additionally, the science community has bad PR and the general public doesnt like complicated things; they just want results.

[FlameOfCallandor]

because nasa has the name, the public awareness, the organizational structure, and the charter?

Lots of private organization or companies have said things.

[MrAngryFace]

WHY AINT WE ON TEH MOON?! WHY AINT WE FLYIN CARS?! WHY AIN?!?

Bubba don't care how hard it is, he just want him der things

[Flannel Boy]

Flying cars are a lot like triple AAA PS3 titles:

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they don't exist

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[FlameOfCallandor]

My first job was a tour guide for NASA in Houston. It was pretty depressing because all we could show people was old computers and technology from over 25 years ago. The one cool project we got to show people was an escape vehicle for the ISS which eventually got scrapped. I'm sure that was well spent Tax money.

[MrAngryFace]

Progress costs money, distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

[Van Cruncheon]

because nasa has the name, the public awareness, the organizational structure, and the charter?

Lots of private organization or companies have said things.

and i am fine with them doing it in ADDITION to nasa. again, i believe most folks -- like you -- are too short-sighted or narrow-minded to invest in things that do not offer immediate or direct profit, but i want you paying for it nonetheless because you are not independent of society, and societies persist based on long-term visions produced by the educated and the elite. if you are offended at having your society-backed currency and society-backed freedoms and society-backed leadership "extorting" the money and property you have only because the same social contract permits it, you might consider adjusting your expectations to something more in line with your education. otherwise, quit acting like the exchange of goods, services, and currencies are the sole fundament of society and culture, and find some other venue to validate your anti-intellectualism. i am sorry that freedom and currency don't really exist aside from social consensus, but there you go!

[FlameOfCallandor]

Progress costs money, distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

The true rallying cry of Socialists.

[Human Snorenado]

because nasa has the name, the public awareness, the organizational structure, and the charter?

Lots of private organization or companies have said things.

That's great, but private organizations shouldn't get govt money unless the fruits of the labor born of that money are split with the govt.  That's why throwing money to NASA is a better idea.

Also, HEY GUYZ REMEMBER WHEN FoC COULDN'T MAKE THREADS?!

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Altho I must say that I was actually coming in here to post a thread about Bob Barr if it hadn't been done already, because I think he's going to torpedo Johnny Short Arms come November and I will laugh insanely.

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[Van Cruncheon]

well, disingenuously, this explains why you'll settle for the wii, foc

[FlameOfCallandor]

because nasa has the name, the public awareness, the organizational structure, and the charter?

Lots of private organization or companies have said things.

and i am fine with them doing it in ADDITION to nasa. again, i believe most folks -- like you -- are too short-sighted or narrow-minded to invest in things that do not offer immediate or direct profit, but i want you paying for it nonetheless because you are not independent of society, and societies persist based on long-term visions produced by the educated and the elite. if you are offended at having your society-backed currency and society-backed freedoms and society-backed leadership "extorting" the money and property you have only because the same social contract permits it, you might consider adjusting your expectations to something more in line with your education. otherwise, quit acting like the exchange of goods, services, and currencies are the sole fundament of society and culture, and find some other venue to validate your anti-intellectualism. i am sorry that freedom and currency don't really exist aside from social consensus, but there you go!

Just dont be surprised when your society-backed science turns out to be anything but.

[AdmiralViscen]

because nasa has the name, the public awareness, the organizational structure, and the charter?

Lots of private organization or companies have said things.

and i am fine with them doing it in ADDITION to nasa. again, i believe most folks -- like you -- are too short-sighted or narrow-minded to invest in things that do not offer immediate or direct profit, but i want you paying for it nonetheless because you are not independent of society, and societies persist based on long-term visions produced by the educated and the elite. if you are offended at having your society-backed currency and society-backed freedoms and society-backed leadership "extorting" the money and property you have only because the same social contract permits it, you might consider adjusting your expectations to something more in line with your education. otherwise, quit acting like the exchange of goods, services, and currencies are the sole fundament of society and culture, and find some other venue to validate your anti-intellectualism. i am sorry that freedom and currency don't really exist aside from social consensus, but there you go!

Just dont be surprised when your society-backed science turns out to be anything but.

What does that even mean

That post owned you.

[Human Snorenado]

because nasa has the name, the public awareness, the organizational structure, and the charter?

Lots of private organization or companies have said things.

and i am fine with them doing it in ADDITION to nasa. again, i believe most folks -- like you -- are too short-sighted or narrow-minded to invest in things that do not offer immediate or direct profit, but i want you paying for it nonetheless because you are not independent of society, and societies persist based on long-term visions produced by the educated and the elite. if you are offended at having your society-backed currency and society-backed freedoms and society-backed leadership "extorting" the money and property you have only because the same social contract permits it, you might consider adjusting your expectations to something more in line with your education. otherwise, quit acting like the exchange of goods, services, and currencies are the sole fundament of society and culture, and find some other venue to validate your anti-intellectualism. i am sorry that freedom and currency don't really exist aside from social consensus, but there you go!

Just dont be surprised when your society-backed science turns out to be anything but.

What does that even mean

That post owned you.

He's too dumb to know when he's been owned.  It's pretty awesome, it's like a punching bag that you can shoot a nuke at then rape, but it's still always there for you when you need to hit something.