Why the fuck does the PS3 take forever to install demoes?

[Mupepe]

Haze took like 15 minutes to install and Nascar '08 took like 10.

Not only do I have to suffer with shit download speeds from PSN, but I have to wait for the slow ass write speeds or whatever on the PS3. 

[Van Cruncheon]

because the ps3 is a piece of shit

[Mupepe]

i guess that's the best answer i'm getting :'(

[FancyFeast]

because the ps3 is a piece of shit

[AdmiralViscen]

because the ps3 is a piece of shit

That settles that!

[cool breeze]

I never had that problem.

Last time there was a really long download was back with GTHD.  Nothing tops the 8 hours it took to download Crackdown.

[cool breeze]

He didn't say download, he said install.

but he said:

Not only do I have to suffer with shit download speeds from PSN,

that was I was addressing in the second part of my post.  First part where I say I never had a problem was addressing the install part.

[crimsondynamics]

The real question is, why the farck does the PS3 require an install for every single farcking game?

This trend started with DMC4, I believe? Since then you have to install virtually all the big-name releases.

[pilonv1]

It started last year with Minna No Golf PS3, then GT5 Prologue.

[duckman2000]

The real question is, why the farck does the PS3 require an install for every single farcking game?

This trend started with DMC4, I believe? Since then you have to install virtually all the big-name releases.

The favored opinion here seems to be that it's to make up for deficiencies in Blu-Ray streaming, but Uncharted sort of punches that argument in the teeth and leaves it for dead. Although it makes sense for multiplatform releases, I guess. I don't mind it, as long as the results are obvious and positive. A game like Haze requiring a sizable install and then coming out looking the way it does, that's troubling.

[MrSingh]

because the ps3 is a piece of shit

[crimsondynamics]

But still... why?

360 owners do not have to endure installs, and this is for the same games where on the PS3 you are forced to install.

Even PS3-exclusive games (barring some notable exceptions such as the mentioned Uncharted) have to be installed.

There aren't any obvious or positive results to gain from this. I don't see any significant improvements in load time, improved textures or frame rates.

[duckman2000]

But still... why?

360 owners do not have to endure installs, and this is for the same games where on the PS3 you are forced to install.

Even PS3-exclusive games (barring some notable exceptions such as the mentioned Uncharted) have to be installed.

There aren't any obvious or positive results to gain from this. I don't see any significant improvements in load time, improved textures or frame rates.

Er, weren't there basically no load screens in DMC4 as a result of the install? I haven't played either version, but that's what I've heard. Still, don't know why exactly it is needed; in multiplatform games, especially ones with 360 as lead platform, I can buy into the notion that it's there to make up for BRD shortcomings.

Although so far the amount of exclusives requiring sizable installs on the PS3 are in the minority, so I'm not buying the "notable exception" stuff.

[Mupepe]

load screens are just 2-3 seconds shorter in the ps3 version

I never had that problem.

Last time there was a really long download was back with GTHD.  Nothing tops the 8 hours it took to download Crackdown.

? You downloaded crackdown? O.o

[E-DuB]

I'm amazed Sony hasn't built the install into the total download of a demo. Maybe something we can look forward to in a future firmware update

[AdmiralViscen]

The real question is, why the farck does the PS3 require an install for every single farcking game?

This trend started with DMC4, I believe? Since then you have to install virtually all the big-name releases.

The favored opinion here seems to be that it's to make up for deficiencies in Blu-Ray streaming, but Uncharted sort of punches that argument in the teeth and leaves it for dead. Although it makes sense for multiplatform releases, I guess. I don't mind it, as long as the results are obvious and positive. A game like Haze requiring a sizable install and then coming out looking the way it does, that's troubling.

Uncharted is obviously doing a great many things better than almost every other PS3 game released. So I don't see how its ability to overcome yet another PS3 foible means that the foible doesn't exist.

[crimsondynamics]

Although so far the amount of exclusives requiring sizable installs on the PS3 are in the minority, so I'm not buying the "notable exception" stuff.

The "notable exception" was referring to Uncharted, which as you mentioned, does not require an install.

Anyhow, I could stomach the fact that the PS3 requires an install in games where the 360 was the lead platform (sloppy seconds and all that), but for PS3 exclusive games? What ever happened to the simplistic "pick-up-and-play" virtue of console gaming?

And while the games that require install are still in the minority, the current trend seems to favor installs.

Game	Install Size (GB)
Assassin's Creed	1.3
Devil May Cry 4	4.83
Dark Sector	1.2
Eye of Judgement	1.9
Fear	2.5
GTA IV	3.3
GT5 Prologue	5.24
Haze	3.82
Hot Shots Golf 5	3.61
Heavenly Sword	2.1
Medal Of Honor:Airborne	1.95
MLB 08 The Show	2
Metal Gear Solid 4	4.5
Oblivion	4.6
Oblivion GOTY	5
Ratchet & Clank Future	0.42
Resistance: Fall of Man	0.22
Spiderman 3	2.6
Virtua Fighter 5	2.34
Warhawk w/boosters	1.1
Warhawk w/o boosters	0.8
Total Required Install Size	55.33

Haze requires an install. MGS4 requires an install. At this rate, all major exclusives will require an install in the future. Are there any upcoming PS3 exclusives that do not require an install?

[MCD]

some games like ninja gaiden sigma have optional installs.

i played the game without installing and had no problem.

[crimsondynamics]

some games like ninja gaiden sigma have optional installs.

i played the game without installing and had no problem.

The list above only shows games that have required installs (that I know of).

NGS isn't on the list because the install is optional.

[AdmiralViscen]

Crimson anally dominated this thread.

[MCD]

oh...

Are there any upcoming PS3 exclusives that do not require an install?

to answer this question, valkyrie chronicles install is optional.

[crimsondynamics]

The question was rhetorical.

It would be nice to know, though, how many upcoming PS3 exclusives will require installs vs those that will not?

[MrSingh]

Uncharted is obviously doing a great many things better than almost every other PS3 game released.

Have we forgotten that Uncharted = baked and faked?

Please don't pull it out of the sh1t pool and try to put it on a pedestal.

[Cormacaroni]

I think the real answer is because they are all compressed a lot to save space - and uncompressing takes a while.

Makes sense to me. What they should do is just hide the install process inside the download. You downloaded it, of course you want to install it. Just do it already, and don't tell the user anything from when they hit 'download' until it's ready to play.  I presume this is what the 360 does.

[pilonv1]

can someone link me to a baked & faked Uncharted thread? I wasnt around for the laugh riot

[MrSingh]

can someone link me to a baked & faked Uncharted thread? I wasnt around for the laugh riot

http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=20395.msg501159#msg501159

[AdmiralViscen]

I think the real answer is because they are all compressed a lot to save space - and uncompressing takes a while.

Is the final installed footprint in the memory manager larger than the download originally was? This'd be easy to prove.

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

I used to be all for installs because I thought (foolishly) that they'd make a dramatic difference when it comes to load times....lol.  That obviously didn't pan out.  I can't tell any difference from a game on the PS3 that requires an install (like GTA4) to its insert and play brethren on the 360.

I'm not yet to the point where I'm up in arms about it though 'cause I've still got some space on my 80gig PS3 plus when you eliminate the install file on the PS3, the save data remains.  It'd be infinitely more annoying though if there were mulitple PS3 games I wanted to play and I only had a 20gig PS3.

[Mupepe]

I think the real answer is because they are all compressed a lot to save space - and uncompressing takes a while.

real answer!  thank you

anyways, install time should be calculated in the dl time like the 360 does.  But I think the issue is that the ps3 OS can't install the software in the background like the 360 does.  Hell, it even stops downloading while watching a Blu Ray movie (or slows to a fucking crawl, one or the other).

Sony is setting a horrible precedence with installs on their exclusive titles.  Developers are going to begin to see it as "people don't mind, so we can't always do that" when it should be a last resort.

[disgruntled_jojo]

I think the real answer is because they are all compressed a lot to save space - and uncompressing takes a while.

I have a sneaking suspicion that another reason they don't 'bundle' the install with the download is that they want the extra space check that comes with the process of the user initiating the install.  Since you have to download the demo + decompress it, your system has to have enough space to hold the entire compressed demo and the entire demo install at the same time.  If they bundled them, they would have to put this much larger (oftentimes close to 2x the size) filesize on the downloads at the store.  This would be bad in many ways: shock value from the user, confusion in that the game doesn't actually take that much space after installation is complete, confusion in that the amount downloaded does not equal the size advertised, overzealous xbots pointing to the numbers and saying that the 360 demo is 'smaller', etc. 

FWIW, I always assumed that the 360 doesn't have the installation step because they are not downloading a compressed file, but the actual install image.  This avoids the problems above at the space of some bandwidth. 

Why the fuck does the PS3 take forever to install demoes?

First, no 'e' in 'demos'

I think the more technical answer to your question is 'damned low RPM laptop hard drive'.

[Van Cruncheon]

you can drop in a 7200 RPM drive, though, and there's NO SPEED INCREASE.

my answer stands: the ps3 is a piece of shit.

rsx: budget gpu
cell: unprogrammable clusterfuck
hd: throttled by a busted-ass os
blu-ray: too slow for games

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

I think the real answer is because they are all compressed a lot to save space - and uncompressing takes a while.

real answer!  thank you

anyways, install time should be calculated in the dl time like the 360 does.  But I think the issue is that the ps3 OS can't install the software in the background like the 360 does.  Hell, it even stops downloading while watching a Blu Ray movie (or slows to a fucking crawl, one or the other).

CELL POWA!