PRIMARIES: THE FINAL SHOWDOWN

[Himu]

George W. Bush has done a lot of good for this country it seems

[Phoenix Dark]

George W. Bush has done a lot of good for this country it seems

he's had more of an impact on civil rights than MLK! if Obama wins

[Himu]

George W. Bush has done a lot of good for this country it seems

he's had more of an impact on civil rights than MLK! if Obama wins

lol

[The Fake Shemp]

Forgive me if this observation is old news in the US, but this is really starting to remind me of Bush-Gore Indecision 2000. No-one can really 'win' at this point.

I don't think so.  I think the threats of Hillary supporters jumping ship to McCain or withholding their vote are a) overblown and b) irrelevant when the general election hits.  Yeah, she has around half of the popular vote in the primaries, but that's not taking the following into accounts:

1. Registered republicans that will vote for Obama (like me!)
2. Independents
3. Lazy kids that don't vote in primaries because they don't know what they are
4. America isn't that dumb
5. If we're that dumb, we deserve four more years of GOP leadership

[MrAngryFace]

I think the 'lazy kid' element matters less now than ever before.

[The Fake Shemp]

It does.  You're a bit older than the target demographic, but a lot of young folks that just got that awesome ability to vote won't vote in primaries.  Especially in certain states.

[The Fake Shemp]

I moved from a deep red state to a deep blue state, so I can continue not voting in style.

You know we should vote, regardless.  We need to knock up that popular vote count in case we get another hanging chad or whatever.  What if our two votes are the two votes that cost Obama the popular vote?!

[MrAngryFace]

Hillary voter:



haw haw, just had to get my digs in

[MrAngryFace]

It does.  You're a bit older than the target demographic, but a lot of young folks that just got that awesome ability to vote won't vote in primaries.  Especially in certain states.

No I dont think you quite understand who makes up most of Obama's current group of supporters, its those formerly lazy kids. Hillary has a crapload of them to. There's a reason for the high turn out. Its not a bunch of 30 something dems sprouting from the ground.

[The Fake Shemp]

I recognize the higher than normal voter turnout amongst the youth for a primary, but it's still not the majority of youth voters or anything.  The base is definitely energized, but your average twenty-something probably did not vote in the primary.

[MrAngryFace]

Is this based off of some chat with a guy who came into gamestop?

[Human Snorenado]

How do you only have 424 posts, Federwang.

Also, lolz Hillary lolz

[AdmiralViscen]

Hillary voter:

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haw haw, just had to get my digs in

[The Fake Shemp]

Is this based off of some chat with a guy who came into gamestop?

There are roughly 75 million registered Democrats and a little over a third actually voted in the primary.  C'mon, don't be this argumentative.

Hillary is still alive, Triumph!

[siamesedreamer]

1. Registered republicans that will vote for Obama (like me!)

I don't mean to single you out. But, as a registered Republican, could you rationalize your support for Obama given the fact that the Democrats will control both the House and Senate and have a very good shot at winning fillibuster-proof margins?

Obama would be a lot more appealing if Congress had some balance. But, there's no chance for me supporting him as it stands now.  

[Phoenix Dark]

i usually agree with Chris Matthews but why the fuck is he treating Hillary's "commanding 18mil supporters" like pledged delegates? "omg obama has to ask hillary for those voters or else he might not get them so he better give hillary wat she wants!"

He'll have no problem getting most of those voters - they don't belong to Hillary jeez

[The Fake Shemp]

Furthermore, MAF, more than 22 million Democratic primary voters were over the age of 45 this year.  That accounts for the majority of the primary votes.  The youth is definitely surging, but a lot are still not voting.

siamesedreamer... Uh, it's pretty easy - I don't like McCain and the Republican leadership in Congress.  It was just a matter of whether or not I wanted to vote for a Democratic candidate.  I applaud Obama's willingness to actually pick platforms based on rationale and less on poll numbers.

[siamesedreamer]

siamesedreamer... Uh, it's pretty easy - I don't like McCain and the Republican leadership in Congress. 

Neither do I. But, that doesn't mean I would willingly go out and vote to give the Democrats more power than any party has had since the 1960s.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Why are you a registered republican what part of their party do you believe in if you arent voting for Mccain?

[The Fake Shemp]

Uh, who cares, siamesedreamer?  We're pretty much on the brink of oblivion.  Handing the country over to a bunch of socialists isn't going to do much more damage.  This would be a good point like, ten years ago.  Y'know, before the entire country went to shit.  There really isn't much worse we can do at this point.

Flame, I generally support the core values of the Republican party (not all of them), but I do not support a party cought up in a religious fervor, supporting the Iraq war and a Presidential nominee that lacks any kind of context with the modern world.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Flame, I generally support the core values of the Republican party (not all of them), but I do not support a party cought up in a religious fervor, supporting the Iraq war and a Presidential nominee that lacks any kind of context with the modern world.

What do you support? The part of the party that you didnt mention is the smaller government lower taxes part. Is that what you support? If so then you might as well be voting for Nader in terms of Obama representing that.

[AdmiralViscen]

If we're gonna be blowing billions a week on some asinine pursuit I'd rather have it be on health care and education than killing brown people someplace.

[FlameOfCallandor]

You guys know there is a pretty good median between the dems and the repubs that wants to lower taxes, legalize drugs, end the Iraq war immediately and shred any kind of resemblance of the patriot act.

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LP :'(

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[FlameOfCallandor]

If we're gonna be blowing billions a week on some asinine pursuit I'd rather have it be on health care and education than killing brown people someplace.

I would rather we not "blow" that money at all... And to be fair we arent really "blowing" that money yet. Give it a few years (10+) before it really starts to sink in to the economy.

[Van Cruncheon]

You guys know there is a pretty good median between the dems and the repubs that wants to lower taxes, legalize drugs, end the Iraq war immediately and shred any kind of resemblance of the patriot act.

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LP :'(

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dennis "the kooch" kucinich

[Howard Alan Treesong]

"median"?!

[The Fake Shemp]

What do you support? The part of the party that you didnt mention is the smaller government lower taxes part. Is that what you support? If so then you might as well be voting for Nader in terms of Obama representing that.

Why would I throw my vote away?  That's ridiculous.

You can't be naive enough to think that there is a candidate out there that reflects EVERYTHING you want.  Sometimes you compromise.  Obama is my compromise.  I'm willing to eat some Democratic reforms to get this country back on track, on account of how entirely fucked up it is.

[FlameOfCallandor]

I will vote for anyone who wants to legalize pot, for any position, ever.

http://www.lp.org/

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Ron Paul

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[AdmiralViscen]

Obama: Ron Paul's compromise

[FlameOfCallandor]

Why would I throw my vote away?  That's ridiculous.

You can't be naive enough to think that there is a candidate out there that reflects EVERYTHING you want.  Sometimes you compromise.  Obama is my compromise.  I'm willing to eat some Democratic reforms to get this country back on track, on account of how entirely fucked up it is.

Obama is so far removed from the republican parties values that I cant even imagine why any one registered in the republican party would vote for him. Do you even know what values you do stand for.

You still havent said what values you do like.

[Human Snorenado]

You guys know there is a pretty good median between the dems and the repubs that wants to lower taxes, legalize drugs, end the Iraq war immediately and shred any kind of resemblance of the patriot act.

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LP :'(

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[The Fake Shemp]

- Lower taxes
- Small government
- No hand outs
- Social freedoms (stop banning smoking and other dumb shit)
- Guns!
- Closed borders

etc.
etc.

I really didn't know I had to spell that stuff out when I said CORE VALUES.

It really doesn't matter whether or not Obama is not in line with those values, because the Republican party's current set of values are not in line with my own.  More importantly, let's scorch Middle Eastern companies to line our pockets in the name of Jesus is not what I want to be doing for the next four years.

[FlameOfCallandor]

- Lower taxes
- Small government
- No hand outs
- Social freedoms (stop banning smoking and other du :duhmb shit)
- Guns!
- Closed borders

etc.
etc.

I really didn't know I had to spell that stuff out when I said CORE VALUES.

WTF
 
Why are you voting for Obama again?

Me an you are almost identical in terms of what we value (except for the closed borders).

[Phoenix Dark]

Why would I throw my vote away?  That's ridiculous.

You can't be naive enough to think that there is a candidate out there that reflects EVERYTHING you want.  Sometimes you compromise.  Obama is my compromise.  I'm willing to eat some Democratic reforms to get this country back on track, on account of how entirely fucked up it is.

Obama is so far removed from the republican parties values that I cant even imagine why any one registered in the republican party would vote for him. Do you even know what values you do stand for.

You still havent said what values you do like.

[The Fake Shemp]

Oh my God, I really don't know why I unlepered you.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Oh my God, I really don't know why I unlepered you.

I'm sorry im not trying to be obtuse, I'm really honestly trying to figure you out.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

WE'RE MORE ALIKE THAN YOU MIGHT THINK MISTER BOND

[AdmiralViscen]

You guys know there is a pretty good median between the dems and the repubs that wants to lower taxes, legalize drugs, end the Iraq war immediately and shred any kind of resemblance of the patriot act.

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LP :'(

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Where did that pic come from? Nice sneakers lol

[The Fake Shemp]

Y DONT U VOTE 4 REPUBLICANS

Because the party isn't even concerned with its core values.  Its too busy trying to fund the military-industrial complex and pander to the religious right, while wrecking the entire fucking country.  Yes, I will vote for Obama because I will suck up Democratic reforms to get out of this third world sinkhole we're creating for ourselves

HOW HARD IS THIS TO SEE?

[siamesedreamer]

I'm willing to eat some Democratic reforms...

It'll be more like a "shit-ton", but I now get where you're coming from.

[The Fake Shemp]

Socialist reforms can always be reigned in, but the direction the Republican party is leading us is pretty much Fall of Rome-type shit.

[Phoenix Dark]

Y DONT U VOTE 4 REPUBLICANS

Because the party isn't even concerned with its core values.  Its too busy trying to fund the military-industrial complex and pander to the religious right, while wrecking the entire fucking country.  Yes, I will vote for Obama because I will suck up Democratic reforms to get out of this third world sinkhole we're creating for ourselves

HOW HARD IS THIS TO SEE?

but why are you voting for obama, and how does he gel with the core values you care for? and what are those core values?

[MrAngryFace]

you unlepered him? why not unleper himuro then jesus

[Howard Alan Treesong]

[siamesedreamer]

Socialist reforms can always be reigned in...

The impending entitlement fiscal clusterfuck says otherwise.

(What is lepering and how do I avoid it?)

[The Fake Shemp]

PhoenixDark actually made the funny!

I never really had a problem with Flame, really.  I still don't.

And seriously, if a third-party candidate had a likely shot at winning in the general election, that I would sincerely look at that candidate.  But this is a two horse race and will likely be a lot closer than folks realize, especially when that Jesus-loving religious right wakes up tomorrow to see that BLACK MAN is actually running for President.  I don't want to waste a single vote and see McCain go into office, only to have flashbacks and nuke Iran in an episode.

[The Fake Shemp]

(What is lepering and how do I avoid it?)

It pretty much removes all member posting privileges except the ability to reply to posts (can't post topics, polls, no PMs, etc.) in an effort to limit the "noise" from posters who have spammed the forum with garbage.  Sometimes it's a pre-emptive strike against a user wanting a banning (Himuro).

[hyp]

good times fellas, good times.  now let's kick some mccain ARSEHOLE! 

[FlameOfCallandor]

Socialist reforms can always be reigned in, but the direction the Republican party is leading us is pretty much Fall of Rome-type shit.

The Rome-type shit you speak of is all about economics, our foreign policy is a minor part. And contrary to what you say social reforms are almost never "reigned in."

Im right there besides you willco, I want to punish the republican party for being fucktards but I still cant vote for a democrat. Honestly, please dont laugh, have you thought about voting for the LP.

And seriously, if a third-party candidate had a likely shot at winning in the general election, that I would sincerely look at that candidate.

See, to me its not about their chance of winning its about supporting what you believe in.

[hyp]

 

[siamesedreamer]

Gotcha Willco...

My reputation kinda proceeds me, so I'm trying to be as non-political as possible on this board. I've finally come to the conclusion that argubating politics on the internet is a complete waste of time and only puts me in a horrible mood - just like playing Halo 3.

[FlameOfCallandor]

I will vote for anyone who wants to legalize pot, for any position, ever.

http://www.lp.org/

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Ron Paul

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Oh I meant someone who might win.

What do you do to support legalizing drugs?

[The Fake Shemp]

The Rome-type shit you speak of is all about economics, our foreign policy is a minor part. And contrary to what you say social reforms are almost never "reigned in."

No, it's not.

And social reforms are easier to correct or change than trying to figure out what to do with thousands of our troops stuck in a devastated country that was obliterated by yours truly, as we funnel money into the military-industrial complex for the sole benefit of mostly rich Republicans.

It's not a matter of punishing the party - it's a matter of saving the fucking country.

See, to me its not about their chance of winning its about supporting what you believe in.

I don't have the luxury of being an idealist.  I have bills to pay.  I'd like to live in a country that isn't comparable to some Eastern European sattelite country.

[siamesedreamer]

And social reforms are easier to correct or change than trying to figure out what to do with thousands of our troops stuck in a devastated country...

No its not. You simply pull them out.

Now try figuring out how to pay for Medicare without wrecking the economy. There's really no comparison.

[FlameOfCallandor]

I don't have the luxury of being an idealist.  I have bills to pay.  I'd like to live in a country that isn't comparable to some Eastern European sattelite country.

I wont be able to pay my bills this month because I voted for Ron Paul.  :'(

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Eastern European countries, yes the poster for why socialism is a pile of shit and you want to vote for the most socialist of the two candidates?

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[Crushed]

HillaryIs44:

We can’t let this site die - we need to go into scorched earth mode. It will require posting as a Dem not aligned with Hill but against Obama, without being overt.

Like “I am a Democrat, but I have reservations about Obama. I’m just not sure he is ready to be president. I am worried about his ties to radicals and if he could provide security for me and my family. He seems to be a nice guy, but, I have worries. Safety for my family comes before all else..”

You get the idea. Fan out to every news site available.

[FlameOfCallandor]

And social reforms are easier to correct or change than trying to figure out what to do with thousands of our troops stuck in a devastated country...

No its not. You simply pull them out.

Now try figuring out how to pay for Medicare without wrecking the economy. There's really no comparison.

[The Fake Shemp]

I also support the legalization of marijuana, but it's a bit of a low priority at the moment on account of the, I dunno, horrible economy and current living situation of your average American.

[AdmiralViscen]

And social reforms are easier to correct or change than trying to figure out what to do with thousands of our troops stuck in a devastated country...

No its not. You simply pull them out.

Now try figuring out how to pay for Medicare without wrecking the economy. There's really no comparison.

Cut military budget in half

[The Fake Shemp]

No its not. You simply pull them out.

"Peace, bitches!"