PRIMARIES: THE FINAL SHOWDOWN

[FlameOfCallandor]

Just out of curiosity what social programs have we stopped because they were failures?

[The Fake Shemp]

You're warping my words.  It's easier to reign in social reforms than to destabilize other countries, funnel money and resources that need to be spent here on said countries, continue to rip apart an entire region with horrible foreign policy, etc.

Social reforms can be thrown out, changed or reigned in.  We can correct those.  Why worry about social reforms when we are literally plummeting into the third circle of hell?

[MrAngryFace]

Take my advice Willco. When he starts shouting Proof, just leave the thread. He goes on and on.

[FlameOfCallandor]

You're warping my words.  It's easier to reign in social reforms than to destabilize other countries, funnel money and resources that need to be spent here on said countries, continue to rip apart an entire region with horrible foreign policy, etc.

Social reforms can be thrown out, changed or reigned in.  We can correct those.  Why worry about social reforms when we are literally plummeting into the third circle of hell?

I dont know if I would go that far. I can still afford gas milk bread and rent. And if I can do it then anyone can. Hey man, Im all for bringing our troops home from everywhere, saudi, Iraq, kuwait, Korea etc... I'm just trying explain my view of what your logic looks like to an outsider.

[The Fake Shemp]

Uh, a lot of people cannot afford gas, milk, bread and rent.  Tell me you don't believe that?

[FlameOfCallandor]

Uh, a lot of people cannot afford gas, milk, bread and rent.  Tell me you don't believe that?

Hobos?

[The Fake Shemp]

Dude, working people.  You still live in Texas, I gather and are the beneficiary of low housing costs.  Most of us don't have that benefit.  I know working people that struggle to live, man.  Got to look outside your world.

[MrAngryFace]

I supposed we would need to define 'afford' for FoC, since he has no perspective when it comes to 'needs'.

[AdmiralViscen]

Real people dude. I'm fortunate enough to be able to but it's not hard to see hwo the doubling of prices of just about everything are going to affect people.

Not all lower rung people are wearing $70 Nikes dude.

[The Fake Shemp]

My neighbor got fired.  He has to interview for another job and he's barely pooling enough cash together to pay for gas, so he can make his interviews.  I had to loan him $20 just so he would have enough gas to make it to one of his interviews.

Country is in awesome shape!

[Mupepe]

Uh, a lot of people cannot afford gas, milk, bread and rent.  Tell me you don't believe that?

Hobos?

out of touch?

some people actually do live paycheck to paycheck

[FlameOfCallandor]

How? I freelance and I go weeks without a job sometimes but I still manage to be thrifty. I dont pay for cable TV; I dont buy fancy clothes; I keep my eating out to a minimum etc... If people would get their priorities straight and live within their means they would be fine.

some people actually do live paycheck to paycheck

I live paycheck to paycheck. But I save what I can and I do manage to save.

[MrAngryFace]

FoC has no sense of perspective. I find it completely baffling that its possible he has encountered people who are actually in need yet he's a complete fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow about it. What a worthless person.

[AdmiralViscen]

How? I freelance and I go weeks without a job sometimes but I still manage to be thrifty. I dont pay for cable TV; I dont buy fancy clothes; I keep my eating out to a minimum etc... If people would get their priorities straight and live within their means they would be fine.

What if they were already doing exactly this before ALL PRICES DOUBLED!?

[Mupepe]

How? I freelance and I go weeks without a job sometimes but I still manage to be thrifty. I dont pay for cable TV; I dont buy fancy clothes; I keep my eating out to a minimum etc... If people would get their priorities straight and live within their means they would be fine.

some people actually do live paycheck to paycheck

I live paycheck to paycheck. But I save what I can and I do manage to save.

tell that to single mothers of 3

[The Fake Shemp]

Again, you have the benefit of low housing costs.  My guess is you don't even know how much rent costs for myself or MyAngryFace or any of us near a high density city not located in Texas.

Second, you don't have a family or anything.  There are more Americans than just single white males.

[FlameOfCallandor]

How? I freelance and I go weeks without a job sometimes but I still manage to be thrifty. I dont pay for cable TV; I dont buy fancy clothes; I keep my eating out to a minimum etc... If people would get their priorities straight and live within their means they would be fine.

What if they were already doing exactly this before ALL PRICES DOUBLED!?

Whats doubled? Maybe you could argue Gas but thats been a long time coming. We had cheap gas for long time and now its going back to normal prices.

[FlameOfCallandor]

How? I freelance and I go weeks without a job sometimes but I still manage to be thrifty. I dont pay for cable TV; I dont buy fancy clothes; I keep my eating out to a minimum etc... If people would get their priorities straight and live within their means they would be fine.

some people actually do live paycheck to paycheck

I live paycheck to paycheck. But I save what I can and I do manage to save.

tell that to single mothers of 3

Where is the father? Why is she a mother of 3?

[Mupepe]

FoC, if you're able to save, you're not living paycheck to paycheck.  recheck the definition.

[The Fake Shemp]

Dude, have you been to a grocery store?  Even the price of milk has gone up.  Locally, the price of eggs has gone up twice as much within the past year.  Food is getting more expensive.

Now imagine trying to feed your kids.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

See, to me its not about their chance of winning its about supporting what you believe in.

Suppose there are candidates you agree with 90%, 70%, and 20%

But suppose that supporting the 90% candidate will cause the 70% candidate to lose to the 20% candidate.

Is "supporting what you believe in" worth it, in that case?

[Mr. Gundam]

I work with low income families. I can't tell you the number of times kids tell me about how their phones and electricity are turned off because their parents couldn't pay the bills, or how they had to move in with an auntie or grandma because they got evicted. These are also the same kids whose only meals sometimes are the free breakfast and lunch they get during the day at school. A lot of these kiddos hate going home, and would rather stay at school.

[AdmiralViscen]

How? I freelance and I go weeks without a job sometimes but I still manage to be thrifty. I dont pay for cable TV; I dont buy fancy clothes; I keep my eating out to a minimum etc... If people would get their priorities straight and live within their means they would be fine.

What if they were already doing exactly this before ALL PRICES DOUBLED!?

Whats doubled? Maybe you could argue Gas but thats been a long time coming. We had cheap gas for long time and now its going back to normal prices.

If a person is budgeting as tightly and carefully as you are and living paycheck to paycheck, and has to commute to work, spending an extra $100 a month on gas is instantly putting them in the red. Never mind smaller boxes of cereal, more expensive milk and eggs and rice, on and on and on.

it costs more to live and people are making less, you can't just do magic math to fix this. And if you're not a single white male you can't always just move to a smaller apartment or to a shittier area or whatever and just pack up your shit and go.

[Mupepe]

How? I freelance and I go weeks without a job sometimes but I still manage to be thrifty. I dont pay for cable TV; I dont buy fancy clothes; I keep my eating out to a minimum etc... If people would get their priorities straight and live within their means they would be fine.

some people actually do live paycheck to paycheck

I live paycheck to paycheck. But I save what I can and I do manage to save.

tell that to single mothers of 3

Where is the father? Why is she a mother of 3?

Ohhhh, I'm so glad you took the bait.

She's a single mother of 3 because the father is a worthless piece of shit who can't be found and bailed on the family out of nowhere.  It's not uncommon.

You really are out of touch.  Not everything goes as planned. 

[The Fake Shemp]

Maybe their parents should've saved more or voted for Nader, distantmantra.

[MrAngryFace]

Its not 'going back to normal'. The rise in gas prices is SPURRED by RECENT changes in global demand you fuck moran. its not NORMAL if its NEVER BEEN before.

bobobobo europe. europe doesnt have demand, europe doesnt have an infrastructure based on SPRAWL. God damn youre a worthless stupid fuck. Jesus christ almighty the idea that people like you have any say in the future of anyone around them is the most damning quality of the human race.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Dude, have you been to a grocery store?  Even the price of milk has gone up.  Locally, the price of eggs has gone up twice as much within the past year.  Food is getting more expensive.

Now imagine trying to feed your kids.

I must live in fantasy land texas cause eggs here haven't gone up. What the fuck is wrong with the rest of the country.

[Human Snorenado]

See Federwang?  Now do you see?  It can't be reasoned with.  It can't be bargained with.  It can't be talked to rationally in any way, shape or form.  It WILL suck up hours of your time debating absolutely pointless shit and never concede a point even though you've linked to facts supporting your arguments. 

[FlameOfCallandor]

Its not 'going back to normal'. The rise in gas prices is SPURRED by RECENT changes in global demand you fuck moran. its not NORMAL if its NEVER BEEN before.

http://mises.org/story/2940

First, we need to take into account inflation. The result of the Federal Reserve printing too much money is a loss of purchasing power of the dollar: something that cost $1.00 in 1950 would cost about $8.78 today. As for gas prices, in 1950 the price of gas was approximately 30 cents per gallon. Adjusted for inflation, a gallon of gas today should cost right at $2.64, assuming taxes are the same.

But taxes have not stayed the same. The tax per gallon of gas in 1950 was roughly 1.5% of the price. Today, federal, state, and local taxes account for approximately 20% of gas's posted price. Taking inflation and the increase in taxes into account (assuming no change in supply or demand) the same gallon of gas that cost 30 cents in 1950 should today cost about $3.13.

[Mupepe]

Texas has the advantage of having a lot of food grown close.  

[FlameOfCallandor]

Texas has the advantage of having a lot of food grown close.  

Another reason why we need a texas gif

[AdmiralViscen]

Gas costs $4.20 here.

[Mupepe]

I'm with you on that one.

[Mupepe]

Gas costs $4.20 here.

time to smoke up?

[Mr. Gundam]

In Seattle, housing costs are still insane, and a good number of rental units are being converted into condos. The working class renters are being driven out of the city, but we still need them for the service jobs. Where the hell are they going to go?

[FlameOfCallandor]

Gas costs $4.20 here.

I'm looking out the window and I see $3.80.


Texas

[AdmiralViscen]

MSNBC is reporting that Obama campaign has tried to contact Hilary's twice and has not had their calls returned.

Gas costs $4.20 here.

I'm looking out the window and I see $3.80.


Texas

Once again, your little world doesn't mean shit to 90% of the country. The national average is over $4 and it's not done rising.

[The Fake Shemp]

It's $4.42 here.

Food costs are ridiculous.  I was reading the other day that it's even worse in the Midwest, where some folks can barely afford enough gas to go to the grocery store and the food is so expensive, they can't afford to get all they need.

[MrAngryFace]

Willco, they just need to save

[AdmiralViscen]

My gf lives like 35 miles away. I drive a fullsize car.

I guess I should dump her and then take on monthly payments for a compact to get out of this quagmire, and give up eating.

[The Fake Shemp]

We should've all voted for Nader  :'(

[Mr. Gundam]

It's $4.42 here.

I managed to find gas for $3.99 today, but that is so NOT the average around here.

[The Fake Shemp]

Holy crap.  The cost of gas is going up every day here.  Last week, it was like 11 cents cheaper.  I'm pretty sure it'll be above $5 soon.

[Mupepe]

Mama by Genesis is a pretty good song. 

Phil Collins

[MrAngryFace]

Yeah around 4.23 is what I see here

[Human Snorenado]

We should've all voted for Nader  :'(

SOME OF US DID!  TWICE!

But I'll be voting for Obama this year.

[Flannel Boy]

Gas is $4.90 CDN a gallon, if I converted correctly. And housing prices are pretty silly in most Canadian cities.

[The Fake Shemp]

His middle name is Hussein.  He is a TERRORIST.

[The Fake Shemp]

Gas is $4.90 CDN a gallon, if I converted correctly. And housing prices are pretty silly in most Canadian cities.

Your country isn't shit yet, so get the fuck out of our thread!

[Mupepe]

So what if Obama wins and turns out to be a terrible President?  How many decades do you think it will be before whitey decides to trust another brown skinned President?

[Flannel Boy]

Gas is $4.90 CDN a gallon, if I converted correctly. And housing prices are pretty silly in most Canadian cities.

Your country isn't shit yet, so get the fuck out of our thread!

[MrAngryFace]

So what if Obama wins and turns out to be a terrible President?  How many decades do you think it will be before whitey decides to trust another brown skinned President?

Thank bush for setting the bar as low as it is.

[Mandark]

I am pretty sure that Barack Obama is actually the Anti-Christ and has orchestrated most of the horrific events of the past decade to create such a cry for change that we would have no choice but to vote for him... but he is actually evil incarnate!

I'm pretty sure he's not.  The Anti-Christ is gonna be Jewish and I keep getting told that everyone Obama knows is an anti-Semite.  Plus he's a radical black Muslamochristian.

[Candyflip]

 

[siamesedreamer]

Why worry about social reforms when we are literally plummeting into the third circle of hell?

Because when compared to Iraq, the cost social programs have way more to do with our problems:




I heard a podcast last week in which a dude said we could tax 100% of all income and it still wouldn't be enough to cover the costs of these programs going forward.

[Mr. Gundam]

Holy crap.  The cost of gas is going up every day here.  Last week, it was like 11 cents cheaper.  I'm pretty sure it'll be above $5 soon.

I go on summer vacation June 20th. I'm so glad I won't have to commute over the summer.

[AdmiralViscen]

Ignoring that social programs have a tangible benefit for millions of Americans

[Mupepe]

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[MrAngryFace]

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thats the best

[huckleberry]

Ignoring that social programs have a tangible benefit for millions of Americans

Just ignore that part and its ok to call them all bullshit.