Kojima trolls the hell out of 360 in mgs4

[Crushed]

I just checked the leaked cutscene length by watching them.

Combining SEVERAL different cutscenes in sequence, and about 20 minutes of credits, the longest combined cutscene at the very end of the game is 50 minutes. That's comparable to MGS2's final combined cutscenes, Codecs, and final cinematics.


Oh, and they're all skippable and fluff anyway.

[MrAngryFace]

like MGS gameplay is any good.

[Crushed]

like MGS gameplay is any good.

Uh it is that's the major reason why people like the series.

[MrAngryFace]

haha, oh god really? Im so sorry.

[Crushed]

haha, oh god really? Im so sorry.

yeah man i hate it when people havin fun fuck them shit i am cool

[MrAngryFace]

whatever it takes to convince yourself its worth it

[Crushed]

whatever it takes to convince yourself its worth it

Yeah when I bought MGS1 for $10 at a bargain bin in 2002, I was just convincing myself, since I had such a huge emotional investment in a game I had only heard a friend talk about.


man how can peeps disagree with me if they dont find my things fun they must be stoooopid

[BobFromPikeCreek]

I just checked the leaked cutscene length by watching them.

Combining SEVERAL different cutscenes in sequence, and about 20 minutes of credits, the longest combined cutscene at the very end of the game is 50 minutes. That's comparable to MGS2's final combined cutscenes, Codecs, and final cinematics.


Oh, and they're all skippable and fluff anyway.

You're forgetting the frequent, boring, meaningless Codec snooze fests. Skippable or not, it's still terrible story telling.

[ferrarimanf355]

That's not funny. This, on the other hand, is.

[Crushed]

I just checked the leaked cutscene length by watching them.

Combining SEVERAL different cutscenes in sequence, and about 20 minutes of credits, the longest combined cutscene at the very end of the game is 50 minutes. That's comparable to MGS2's final combined cutscenes, Codecs, and final cinematics.


Oh, and they're all skippable and fluff anyway.

You're forgetting the frequent, boring, meaningless Codec snooze fests. Skippable or not, it's still terrible story telling.

Codec calls are almost non-existent in MGS4. You can only call them, they never call you in a scripted sequence.

cry cry again

[The Sceneman]

Since I won't be playing this for a while I just read the entire gaf spoiler thread and I was amused. If you played the 3 previous games and just want to know how it all gets wrapped up, don't doubt for a second and read/watch, it's insane. In itself it's totally mgs2 levels of absolute wackiness

oh man. Cant wait until Thursday! This game is going to own so much

[Rman]

I'm an MGS fan, but the gameplay was never it's strong suit.  At least IMO.  I was convinced that they would have fixed the awkward controls, as mentioned in various media sites, but after playing the MGO beta, the controls are as clunky as ever.

[BobFromPikeCreek]

I just checked the leaked cutscene length by watching them.

Combining SEVERAL different cutscenes in sequence, and about 20 minutes of credits, the longest combined cutscene at the very end of the game is 50 minutes. That's comparable to MGS2's final combined cutscenes, Codecs, and final cinematics.


Oh, and they're all skippable and fluff anyway.

You're forgetting the frequent, boring, meaningless Codec snooze fests. Skippable or not, it's still terrible story telling.

Codec calls are almost non-existent in MGS4. You can only call them, they never call you in a scripted sequence.

cry cry again

I'm not crying. I'm laughing at the MGS cutscene apologists. Laughing like a lunatic.

[Crushed]

I'm not crying. I'm laughing at the MGS cutscene apologists. Laughing like a lunatic.

"Oh yeah, well you forgot these things which aren't in the game."
"They aren't in the game."
"THAT MEANS I WIN!"

[BobFromPikeCreek]

I'm not crying. I'm laughing at the MGS cutscene apologists. Laughing like a lunatic.

"Oh yeah, well you forgot these things which aren't in the game."
"They aren't in the game."
"THAT MEANS I WIN!"

So what if Codec isn't in the game? Still distinguished mentally-challenged cutscene lengths, of which the fans will never admit is dumb.

[MrAngryFace]

MGS is just distinguished mentally-challenged fellow central, might as well give out free football helmets with the game

[Rman]

Honestly, Bob, as a fan, I love the cutscenes.  It's hard to explain if you have no interest in the franchise.  I can understand your lack of interest and criticisms of some of the series' staples--cutscenes, wacky story and characters....  

Diff'rent stokes.

[The Sceneman]

(to Bob) so? Its not a fact that long cutscenes are dumb, its your opinion. I for one really enjoy the long cutscenes in the MGS games, just because you dont doesnt mean youre right.
Dont like the cutscenes? Understandable and justified.
Saying that everyone that enjoys them is dumb? Stupid.

edit: Rmans post also echoes my sentiments exactly

[Third]

WHY DON'T MGS FANS HATE MGS?

This is getting distinguished mentally-challenged.

[MrAngryFace]

Just big fucking football helmets

[BobFromPikeCreek]

I'm only really arguing because it's getting Crushed worked up.

[MrAngryFace]

I mean come on, how dumb do ya gotta be to like MGS?

[The Sceneman]

haha

almost time to bail out.

p.s Im going to have this game before most of you lol

[MrAngryFace]

I'm only really arguing because it's getting Crushed worked up.

I thought it was just me. Trolling MGS fans is the game people who dont like MGS get to play.

[Crushed]

I'm only really arguing because it's getting Crushed worked up.

Pull out that J/K Parachute, you just pull that string, just like you pull the strings on your puppets, you puppet-master.

"I told people their preferences were stupid and they got angry! Ha ha, they all dance to my tune."

[BobFromPikeCreek]

I'm only really arguing because it's getting Crushed worked up.

Pull out that J/K Parachute, you just pull that string, just like you pull the strings on your puppets, you puppet-master.

"I told people their preferences were stupid and they got angry! Ha ha, they all dance to my tune."

:'(

[MrAngryFace]

I'm only really arguing because it's getting Crushed worked up.

Pull out that J/K Parachute, you just pull that string, just like you pull the strings on your puppets, you puppet-master.

"I told people their preferences were stupid and they got angry! Ha ha, they all dance to my tune."

haha! you care.

[The Sceneman]

thou hast yieldeth

[MrAngryFace]

[MCD]

(to Bob) so? Its not a fact that long cutscenes are dumb, its your opinion. I for one really enjoy the long cutscenes in the MGS games, just because you dont doesnt mean youre right.
Dont like the cutscenes? Understandable and justified.
Saying that everyone that enjoys them is dumb? Stupid.

edit: Rmans post also echoes my sentiments exactly

...

what a disgusting xfag, i am ashamed of you.

[BamYouHaveAids]

Having someone pick apart your arguments at every turn like some kind of brawny butcher slaughtering a helpless pig is not the way to troll.

You're troll attempts are the pig, crushed is the butcher, and MGS4 is the meat processing plant that controls you all.

This explains the fear and hate.

[The Sceneman]

(to Bob) so? Its not a fact that long cutscenes are dumb, its your opinion. I for one really enjoy the long cutscenes in the MGS games, just because you dont doesnt mean youre right.
Dont like the cutscenes? Understandable and justified.
Saying that everyone that enjoys them is dumb? Stupid.

edit: Rmans post also echoes my sentiments exactly

...

what a disgusting xfag, i am ashamed of you.

lol wut?

[Crushed]

Just to show that I am fair, I will call total bullshit on Kojima for doing this:

How about this, so I have act 5 cached. So I thought, ok I will start a new game.. Installs for 2 minutes.. I play act 1 for a few minutes, then i choose to play act 2, installs... go back to act 1.. installs.

[Jansen]

even if he was slagging off the 360 there it fails pretty hard considering in mgs4 you have to install each act every fucking time.

i want to know how the mgs apologists are spinning that shit.

[Raban]

I just checked the leaked cutscene length by watching them.

Combining SEVERAL different cutscenes in sequence, and about 20 minutes of credits, the longest combined cutscene at the very end of the game is 50 minutes. That's comparable to MGS2's final combined cutscenes, Codecs, and final cinematics.


Oh, and they're all skippable and fluff anyway.

Leaked cutscenes? Link plz.

[brawndolicious]

that's humor?

You're talking to the same people that think MGS is great storytelling.  They're oblivious to many things.

Show me a game with better storytelling than MGS.

It's like The Matrix.  All the metaphors become too baseless when you spend more than half of the movie/game time trying to explain how everything in the story works.  Then everything fails.  That is entirely because Kojima and the Wachowski brothers don't know how to write a story.

Personally, my problems with Kojima are that I think he's loves his culture so much that he's out of touch with reality.  That he's too proud of this one story that he shat out because of the few gamers that liked it, that he thinks that anything he writes is a "story".  I think he's an idiot and that saying that his games have good stories is an insult to videogames.

I'm one of those insane few that thinks videogames can be art but I would never say that MGS has a good story.  Honestly, Assassin's Creed, which felt disjointed in some parts and had a cliffhanger to tell you there'll be a sequel, had a better story.

[siamesedreamer]

considering in mgs4 you have to install each act every fucking time...

Exsqueeze me?

[Crushed]

Every time you play an act in MGS4, there's a 2-minute installation.

After you beat each act, you can choose to play that act over. Pick Act 1, there's a two minute installation before you can play it. Pick Act 2 a few minutes later, and you have two minutes of installation. Pick Act 1 again, and you have to reinstall Act 1 again.


It only "installs" one Act at a time.

[MrAngryFace]

it should only have to install them once

[Crushed]

it should only have to install them once

Then the 8 minute installation would be 18 minutes, and it would take up much more space in the HDD. 

[MrAngryFace]

[Narag]

it should only have to install them once

Then the 8 minute installation would be 18 minutes, and it would take up much more space in the HDD. 

Either way should be an option.

[Jansen]

It only "installs" one Act at a time.

i'm sure many will find that a relief! basically it's a two minute load time every time you play an act.

off topic but in the hella lame category:

i cannot believe mgs4 has to install every single fucking time you want to play an act. finished the game and want to play act one again? install. goto act 2. install.

fucking lame

also we are getting shafted on the LE in NA. the soundtrack packaged with the LE is only 16 tracks out of the 47 that the official soundtrack has and they stuck a copy of the ugly ass SE inside the box instead of using a shinkawa cover.

(Image removed from quote.)

i don't think i want the LE anymore 

[Draft]

The installs went from 5 minutes to 2-4 minutes to 2 minutes 

Efficiency of Kojipro-san.

[MrAngryFace]

2 minutes is kinda a while lol

[Jansen]

i'm not sure how long the installs are. i'm going to give the game the benefit of the doubt for now and go with 2 mins based off of impressions. 5 would be fucking overkill.

[MrAngryFace]

Why every time you play an act. Seriously? How is this ALLOWED. If this happened with any other game it'd be in front of a firing squad

[Rman]

What the heck is up with PS3 software optimization?  So, not one install, but multiple installs every time you play an act?!  What a freakin' disaster.  This gen is leaving a bad taste.

[tiesto]

Big fan of the MGS storylines... I love it when shit gets so ridiculously confusing and layered and devolves into utter nonsense. But that said, that's for me. MGS4 is gonna be awesome, especially if it gets as off the wall as MGS2 did.

  at Half Life 2 having a better story than any of the MGS games...

[recursivelyenumerable]

I still can't believe people are seriously complaining about a two minute install every five hours.  I mean, I have my laptop set up to force me to take a three-minute break every hour anyway, otherwise I start getting fucked up if I stare at the screen for too long.

[MrAngryFace]

If I had to pick between the two id rather have a 30 minute install once. I just dont get why its all like LETS ALL TAKE IT EZ ITS MGS

[Don Flamenco]

I still can't believe people are seriously complaining about a two minute install every five hours.  I mean, I have my laptop set up to force me to take a three-minute break every hour anyway, otherwise I start getting fucked up if I stare at the screen for too long.

agreed.  like people who have time to play a 20 hour game don't have 2 minutes to wait for an install every 5 hours.   It's not like MGS has ever been a bite sized casual game.  When it comes to teh fourum console warz, it's suddenly "bah! I'm a very important man. time is money. the bird who doesn't wait for an install gets the worm etc. etc."

I think he's an idiot and that saying that his games have good stories is an insult to videogames.

whatever, videogame stories are an insult to even B-movie directors.

[MrAngryFace]

APOLOGISTS!

[Don Flamenco]

APOLOGISTS!

mooltee-pahss.

hey, some apologies are legit.  I won't deny this is strange from a technical standpoint.

[MrAngryFace]

Im pretty sure if this was some other game people would flip. Suddenly saying a game is IDEAL for backwards stupid loading is bein an apologist

[demi]

Wait so Otacon jokes that you dont have to swap, but instead it installs each act?

Jesus that's funny

[Jansen]

there is no legit apology that you can make for the installs.

a one time mandatory install is bad enough for a console game. but to force you to sit through an install every time you want to play a different act is a whole new level of shitty for this gen.

i'm sure for the many that will only play through the game once it won't be a big deal, but it would be annoying if it you did want to play it again and even more annoying if multiple people were playing the game on the same console.

i wonder if you can freely switch between acts once you complete the game?

[demi]

a one time mandatory install is bad enough for a console game. but to force you to sit through an install every time you want to play a different act is a whole new level of shitty for this gen.

Don't group them with this gen... they're like some sort of bastard child of gaming

[The Sceneman]

so how long is this game? I remember the other MGS games being around 15 hours or so.... I only have a PS3 for 3 days you see and I need to beat this thing. Will definitely play on easy mode

[brawndolicious]

I think he's an idiot and that saying that his games have good stories is an insult to videogames.

whatever, videogame stories are an insult to even B-movie directors.

yeah, usually.  that gives another example on how bad Kojima's storytelling is.  If it was meant to be ridiculous, then it'd be funny but he seriously thinks he writes good stories and no sane person would think that.