Metal Gear Solid 4: THE OFFICIAL GAMEPLAY THREAD. Open season on spoilers!

[cool breeze]

They stuck her with the job after Shadow Moses.  I think her character was actually good in MGS4.  She was pretty confident for someone who never really saw real battle before and was there to train soldiers using VR.

SPOILERS IN MY REPLY.

In the final act when she describes the mission, she keeps fucking up and forgetting what she was about to say, until some other character (Johnny?) steps up to complete her words and so on, as if she didnt know wtf she was talking about.  It happens several time, and then there's that embarrassing point where she drops her pointer and bends over to pick it up. Kojima made her to be this total j-idol type bimbo, and I thought it was pretty lame.

And then at the end, with the scene with Meryl when shes getting of budget, either they ran out of budget for that voice actress, but all she does is groan and react like Pikachu with 'oooh','aahh' and 'mmmmm', making her look even more distinguished mentally-challenged.

Also what was up with only having two codec channels? Rose's codec was useless

edit: also, Why was Meryl so fucking hostile to Snake the entire game? She kept referring to how old he was, how out of touch, and so on. She's nice to him  during the segment when they meet up and escape, but after that, she turns into a bitch. She was not like that in the first game.

edit: also, How was Johnny not on the nanomachines too, especially since he was the soldier that ends up naked in the first game. All the solders of Shadow Moses were all on the nanomachines.

tons of stuff felt like fanfiction.. it was terrible.

Meryl was pissed off at Snake because she kept telling him to back down and let her crew handle the situation.  She didn't want him to die or anything like that and thought he was putting too much strain on himself when others could help out.

Johnny simply 'skipped out' on all the shots both here and at shadow Moses.  It was because he hated needles.  If you remember early in the game when Drebin is about to give you a shot, he asks if the reason you didn't want it was because you hated needles.  Yeah, not a great explanation, but whatever.

I still don't see the problem with Mei Ling.  She was normally an instructor and not a commander.  The situation she was in was something she didn't prepare for.

Wasn't it something along the lines of that he had to take a shit and never got the mandatory shots?  Seriously, I think that's what he said when he was feeding ammo to Meryl.

He just hated needles.  The shits were because he didn't have nanomachines to heal him.  That is also why he was so out of tune with everyone else.

Meryl looks toned in MGS1 and she has a tough girl attitude.

but watch the Epilogue again-- she's the buffest dude at the wedding 

You are comparing her model form the PS1 when she was 10 years younger to her model on the PS3.  That is the problem.  I'm sure The Boss was also buff like Meryl was.

[Draft]

Oh boy, now it's time to explain the MGS4 plot holes.

BTW did you notice the ultimate fan service? Otacon's question to Snake from MGS1 was finally answered.

Can love bloom on a battlefield?

spoiler (click to show/hide)

the answer is yes 

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[fistfulofmetal]

that's exactly what he said. smh

Actually he said he was afraid of needles so he ducked out whenever they were getting the shots.

[Crushed]

Oh boy, now it's time to explain the MGS4 plot holes.

BTW did you notice the ultimate fan service? Otacon's question to Snake from MGS1 was finally answered.

Can love bloom on a battlefield?

spoiler (click to show/hide)

the answer is yes 

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I thought that was answered by Snake and the chick from MG1, the other chick from MG2, Snake and Meryl in MGS1, and Big Boss and Eva in MGS3.

[Don Flamenco]

that's exactly what he said. smh

Actually he said he was afraid of needles so he ducked out whenever they were getting the shots.

same difference!  still as pathetic.  but kinda funny in contrast with how serious the SOP system is...this one dork managed to "duck out"

[Crushed]

that's exactly what he said. smh

Actually he said he was afraid of needles so he ducked out whenever they were getting the shots.

same difference!  still as pathetic.  but kinda funny in contrast with how serious the SOP system is...this one dork managed to "duck out"

Hey, he managed to not get arrested for treason after Shadow Moses, and somehow survived the sinking of the Big Shell despite being a guard on it.

He's a pretty awesome guy, that Johnny Sasaki.

[Draft]

Oh boy, now it's time to explain the MGS4 plot holes.

BTW did you notice the ultimate fan service? Otacon's question to Snake from MGS1 was finally answered.

Can love bloom on a battlefield?

spoiler (click to show/hide)

the answer is yes 

[close]

I thought that was answered by Snake and the chick from MG1, the other chick from MG2, Snake and Meryl in MGS1, and Big Boss and Eva in MGS3.

Snake and Meryl never happened. The true ending is the gay one with Otacon wrapping his arms tightly around Snake's waist.

And Big Boss didn't love Eva he just crushed it. And he didn't do it on the battlefield.

[Vrolokus]

I "loved" (ahem) that Sasaki claims to have loved Meryl from the beginning... which if I remember right, was when she beat him unconscious and then stripped him naked.  He and Otacon could get together over banana daiquiris and have a long talk about loving women who are awful to them.

[Crushed]

I "loved" (ahem) that Sasaki claims to have loved Meryl from the beginning... which if I remember right, was when she beat him unconscious and then stripped him naked.  He and Otacon could get together over banana daiquiris and have a long talk about loving women who are awful to them.

"Boy oh boy, that woman is built all right!"

"That bitch! She took my clothes!"


Wow Johnny, you sure did love her all right.

[cool breeze]

"Boy oh boy, that woman is built all right!"

"That bitch! She took my clothes!"


Wow Johnny, you sure did love her all right.

Don't forget his role in MGS2.

[tiesto]

how do i kill mantis?

spoiler (click to show/hide)

just keep shooting the dolls, she eventually drops them and you can use them on her!

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Quick question about stamina kills--  do you not need to win the actual fight with tranqs?  Can you kill them normally, then tranq them during the distinguished mentally-challenged hug sequence and still get the camo?

Yeah, you can kill the beast form normally, then tranq them in their beauty form (takes about like 10 shots or so) to get the face camo...

[CurseoftheGods]

Fixed the thread title for you guys.

[Narag]

how do i kill mantis?

spoiler (click to show/hide)

just keep shooting the dolls, she eventually drops them and you can use them on her!

[close]

Quick question about stamina kills--  do you not need to win the actual fight with tranqs?  Can you kill them normally, then tranq them during the distinguished mentally-challenged hug sequence and still get the camo?

Yeah, you can kill the beast form normally, then tranq them in their beauty form (takes about like 10 shots or so) to get the face camo...

3 stun grenades do the trick.

[Don Flamenco]

Fixed the thread title for you guys.

Thanks! 

how do i kill mantis?

spoiler (click to show/hide)

just keep shooting the dolls, she eventually drops them and you can use them on her!

[close]

Quick question about stamina kills--  do you not need to win the actual fight with tranqs?  Can you kill them normally, then tranq them during the distinguished mentally-challenged hug sequence and still get the camo?

Yeah, you can kill the beast form normally, then tranq them in their beauty form (takes about like 10 shots or so) to get the face camo...

Damn, I tranq'd all of them (except Mantis, of course.)  Good to know for next time.

[hyp]

assholes.  i really want to read this thread but i'm barely halfway through the game.   

[Sho Nuff]

I'm loling like crazy at Otacon's crying, but I don't think it's supposed to be funny

He sounds like one of the Three Stooges

Woob-boob-boob-boob-boob-boob

OMG now Naomi is caressing the MGS Mark 3's screen

loollolololololololoollololololo omg this is so terrible

[Mupepe]

your eyes are so beautiful

[Sho Nuff]

your eyes are so beautiful

Sorry baby, it's just my FaceCamo

[demi]

I stole a PS3, now I can play this epic and one of a kind movie game

[Sho Nuff]

I stole a PS3, now I can play this epic and one of a kind movie game

Brace yourself

[Mupepe]

no it doesn't kill it.  it's a great game, give it a shot.

[Sho Nuff]

HOORAY HOORAY HOORAY, IT'S OVER!!!!   

SHO NUFF HAS CONQUERED METAL GEAR SOLID 4: GUNS OF THE PATRIOTS!

NOW I CAN RETURN TO REAL GAMES WHERE PRESSING BUTTONS ACTUALLY DOES THINGS!!!!!

  The Ishtar of games

[Crushed]

SHO NUFF HAS CONQUERED METAL GEAR SOLID 4: GUNS OF THE PATRIOTS!

Did you get Big Boss ranking yet.

[Mupepe]

no it doesn't kill it.  it's a great game, give it a shot.

It's difficult though right?

eh.  not really.

[Sho Nuff]

Why did Psycho Mantis appear and then not do anything

[Smooth Groove]

So basically all the bad guys in MGS history were good guys that were fighting the oppressive system? 

Does that make Snake the true bad guy since he slaughtered most of them?

[Crushed]

Why did Psycho Mantis appear and then not do anything

I think his persona () was implanted in Screaming Mantis, and then it showed up again as a ghost who tried to move your controller and read your memory card.

But couldn't because IT IS PLAYSTATION(R) 3(TM) COMPUTER ENTERTAINMENT BLU-RAY(R) SYSTEM (TM) SONY ($$$$$$$$$).


Then God (Kojima's voice, looooooool) reclaimed Mantis.

So basically all the bad guys in MGS history were good guys that were fighting the oppressive system? 

Does that make Snake the true bad guy since he slaughtered most of them?

I refuse to accept that part. Those guys were fucking maniacs and murderers. Ocelot was a sick sadist who killed and tortured women, old people, and unarmed prisoners for fun. Kojima's bullshit "BUT HE WAS A HERO" is stupid, and reading the MGS thread on GAF where people are praising Ocelot is sickening.

[Crushed]

I blocked out the whole cemetary part

But you missed the Big Boss ex machina!

[Sho Nuff]

My favorite "What the fuck" parts

-- The "Mount Rushmore" on the front of Outer Haven
-- MOUTH SWORD
-- The 20-minute Mr. and Mrs. Smith sequence
-- The camera's extremely creepy behavior around Mei Ling
-- Evil goth server farm
-- Meryl holding a gun to the Colonel's chin at her wedding (WHY???)
-- The monkey smoking a cigarette

I don't think I would ever play this game with other people watching

[Crushed]

Because that was Major Zero, mindless and practically comatose from being insanely old, and so that the Patriots would finally all be dead.


Major Zero, the lovable chap from MGS3 who liked tea and biscuits and James Bond and was Big Boss' good buddy. Who magically became a bad guy sometime in MGS4 for no discernible reason other than being "overwhelmed by his 'lust for power'" or some other character trait that was never established beforehand.

-- Meryl holding a gun to the Colonel's chin at her wedding (WHY???)

Because he was her real father, and he DARED to marry* a young woman, that piece of shit womanizer.

(Note: Meryl was born because Campbell was having an affair with his brother's wife. His womanizing is the cause of her existence.)


*Not really marry

[Shuri]

I got on my laptop and started browing facebook when snake and big boss started talking. Nothing interesting at all was being discussed, and they were rehashing that soul-crushing 'AI-THEPATRIOTS-PMC-SONSOFTHEPATRIC' bullshit for the 134th time so far, and the scene went on for like 40  minutes.

So much action, so many crazy cutscene, and they end the game with that boring jibby jabba. Also what was up with Meryl carrying a gun on herself for her marriage.

Also the game seriously lacked enemies. We had 1) soldiers 2) geckos 3) the ninja cyborg chicks 4) those annoying mini drones with hands.

The cyber-ninjas chicks were WAYYY overused; they were pretty amazingly cool looking when they were introduced, but they were pretty much all you fought in the last chapters of the game. There was just too many of them.

Honestly the game is a 8/10 for the whole experience, but the actual gameplay was 7/10 material; the gameplay was fine, but nothing ground breaking -- remove the overdone presentation and its pretty average.

People try to defend act3, but this is the same kind of crappy sudden-gameplay-change situation that had games trashed in the past for having levels or missions like that.

[Don Flamenco]

-- Meryl holding a gun to the Colonel's chin at her wedding (WHY???)

Because the last 30 times Meryl bitched about "the Colonel" (oooh, she doesn't say "dad"! How disrespectful!) weren't enough to slam the point that she hates her dad to the dead center of your brain.

Seriously, it was very unnecessary, but then again, the whole wedding scene was, and really, the whole idea of Meryl marrying the joke-character-of-the-series-who-turned-semi-serious-at-the-end is kinda distinguished mentally-challenged.

[Positive Touch]

to be fair, the whole "zero is evil" thing didn't come around in MGS4.  MGS3 hinted that he knew more than he let on (his knowing glance to Para-Medic when he mentions staying in the jungle at the beginning of the Virtous Mission, his apathy toward that fact that only one of Snake's two contacts showed up at the start of the Snake Eater mission - and she didn't even really seem to know what was going on), and PO basically says he was the leading force behind starting the Patriots.  Neither game says how the Patriots grew to become a supressve, world-dominating organization though, and in 4 we just learn that it was because Zero became a dick.  Stupid answer, yes, but it seems like that was on par for what MGS4 had to offer.

[Mupepe]

Ocelot is a bad ass

[Shuri]

Seriously, it was very unnecessary, but then again, the whole wedding scene was, and really, the whole idea of Meryl marrying the joke-character-of-the-series-who-turned-semi-serious-at-the-end is kinda distinguished mentally-challenged.

I swear to god that shit is in just about every piece of japanese media ever. It's like they are trying to make the otakus in the audience
feel ok about themselves and that, yes, they could one day bang a chick like Meryl

[Crushed]

Hey, Otacon got laid twice, and he's like Johnny Sasaki on overdrive.

[Vrolokus]

I don't think I would ever play this game with other people watching

So true.  I think if more people did play the game with someone else watching (looking right at you, GAF thread), they'd be forced to realize how fucking ridiculous the whole thing is.

I just posted my review of the game for Village Voice Media yesterday, it'll appear next week.  It's not kind.  I hope some of you all will back me up if I start getting hate mail for it.   

[cool breeze]

Hey, Otacon got laid twice, and he's like Johnny Sasaki on overdrive.

Did he really stick his penis inside Naomi? I wasn't sure if that happened or they just fooled around.

And I'm sure he boned his step mom dozens of times.

[fistfulofmetal]

MGS4 > All games I've played this generation.

[Sho Nuff]

MGS4 > All games I've played this generation.

Perhaps you should try buying some games other than MGS4

[Rman]

I blocked out the whole cemetary part, and moxt of the 30 minutes before that.  Most of the game actually.  What a fucking dissapointment.

Wow.  You were actually excited about a game, which is rare from you.  Too bad your expectations weren't met.  It was a solid A- for me.  The internet overhyping really was detrimental for me on this game. 

[fistfulofmetal]

MGS4 > All games I've played this generation.

Perhaps you should try buying some games other than MGS4

I have Gamefly for a reason.

[Crushed]

GAF is going to become a lot more readable tomorrow. Yahtzee is going to review MGS4, and I'm sure that the meltdowns and bannings will be a sight to see.



...Oh who am I kidding, the thread will be locked, people defending Yahtzee will be mocked, tagged, junior'd, and banned, and The Escapist will become a banned site.

[cool breeze]

I just hope Metal Gear fans aren't as freaky as Smash Bros fans.  I mean, hardly anyone dressed up at store releases, so that may be a good sign!

[Crushed]

I mean, hardly anyone dressed up at store releases

i've seen about twenty pictures of people dressed as various incarnations of snake, as well as meryl and the rat patrol

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

I just hope Metal Gear fans aren't as freaky as Smash Bros fans.

Too late.

[cool breeze]

Too late.

No no, tomorrow will be the test.

Smash Bros fans are freaks, man.  I'm not saying that you can't like Smash Bros and still be normal, but the hardcore fans of it are loose.  Metal Gear fans (I would include myself here, but after seeing people buy several copies of the game and that shitty MK-II headset, I'm starting to think I'm of a different breed) are still far fetched with the whole believing everything that gets told in the story, but I don't think that they have proven themselves to that insane.

[Shuri]

I just hope Metal Gear fans aren't as freaky as Smash Bros fans.  I mean, hardly anyone dressed up at store releases, so that may be a good sign!

MGS fans are more like Matrix fans 

[tiesto]

I'm both a Smash and Metal Gear fan... hahahaha 

[Crushed]

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/99-Metal-Gear-Solid-4

Aww, he doesn't do anything unexpected or totally caustic. Meltdowns averted. 

[Crushed]

http://binaryfractal.blogspot.com/2008/06/solid-snake-has-no-penis.html

IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

- script way too wordy, it doesn't need to be this long.

You haven't seen anything yet.  Fear the epilogue....both of them.

[Crushed]

- script way too wordy, it doesn't need to be this long.

You haven't seen anything yet.  Fear the epilogue....both of them.

Both?

Aren't there technically like, five, of them?

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-Raiden's ending
-Wedding ending
-First part of Snake in the graveyard
-Second part with Big Boss
-After credits conversation with Otacon

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[Rman]

 
Well played, Genghis.

[MrAngryFace]

[Raban]

What in the name of god is that?

[Crushed]

What in the name of god is that?

FUCK YEAH SLASHER HAWK

[Raban]

What in the name of god is that?

(Image removed from quote.)
FUCK YEAH SLASHER HAWK

/high five

[Positive Touch]

marionette owl was cooler

[Raban]

marionette owl was cooler

Viper was better than both, but I like Slasher's look.