Japan makes fatties illegal; introduces Fatty McFat tax; fatties cry, eat pie

[MyNameIsMethodis]

No, i'm apparently the only one who hasn't been brainwashed by the media to think fat is this big evil.

[MyNameIsMethodis]

Greatly increased risk? No, not really. Maybe a five percent chance higher risk, but no.

And you act like every fat person gets all of those, which could be farther from the truth.

[MyNameIsMethodis]

Whatever, be ignorant and ignore the truth.

[AdmiralViscen]

Yea post some fat shit

[MyNameIsMethodis]

I don't even need to, I gave you the best site where you all can read up and stop being ignorant. DimensionsMagazine.Com . Lots of articles there with the truth.

[AdmiralViscen]

Don't link to the front page of a forum

I want to see fat reports from fat doctors

[MyNameIsMethodis]

Don't link to the front page of a forum

I want to see fat reports from fat doctors

It's not the front page of a forum. It's the front page for one of the former best selling magazines in america.

Maybe if I get some time tommorrow I can put together a comprehensive report, but I have to go to work tommorow and don't have time to stay up with people who will just say shenanigans on anything I present anyways.


Oh and btw, these things that say fat is so bad, are funded by medication companies with weight loss pills.

[AdmiralViscen]

My fat ass roommate used to sleep with Chips Ahoy smashed up under his pillow and he'd wake up with crumbs on his tits

[MyNameIsMethodis]

I think you're just jealous that there are fat people who can get/give pussy more than you.

[FlameOfCallandor]

My fat ass roommate used to sleep with Chips Ahoy smashed up under his pillow and he'd wake up with crumbs on his tits

Call homeland security and report that motherfucker.

[AdmiralViscen]

My fat roommate used to jerk off into tissues and then use them to wipe the tears from his eyes

and the potato chip crumbs


Here is his den in daytime

[MyNameIsMethodis]

Be honest thats just your mothers bed.

[AdmiralViscen]

See that febreze? He thought it cured bacne

[MyNameIsMethodis]

Thought you didn't have time to stay up? Where's the facts mah boi?

It'll take more than ten minutes to get all the proof.

[FlameOfCallandor]

See that febreze? He thought it cured bacne

 

You cant be serious.

[AdmiralViscen]

I'm not, not that part or the jerking off

I'm serious about the Chips Ahoy under the pillow and the bacne, and that Febreze was in fact used so he would never have to wash the sheets he wallowed in all day.

[crimsondynamics]

The only one there is sleep apnea. The others can all be had from being skinny too.

Nobody but you are saying you must be skinny.

There's a big gap between being a healthy weight and skinny or obese.

Here, let me illustrate.

[Himu]

I wonder if lyte edge is freaking out right now

I've already joined the resistance movement!  We're gonna go in front of government buildings and eat donuts in protest.

Perhaps the earthquake this morning was the result of angry fatties?   

[evilromero]

The government is worried about fatties sinking Japan into the ocean. It's gonna happen to California.

[AdmiralViscen]

Anywho, I was having some fun but I would like to see these reports countering public perception of obesity.

[Trent Dole]

FAT PEOPLE
EH EH EH EH EH EH EH
SKINNY PEOPLE
DOOP DOOP DOOP DOOP

[chronovore]

What are the benefits for being the right weight?

Keeping my poorly designed weak-ass knees in working order.

[Cormacaroni]

What are the benefits for being the right weight?

Being able to point at fatties and laugh at them.

[elektrikluv]

120 + 150 = 270. That's not bad at all.

270 is not bad? That's 122kg, for someone as you say that's meant to weight 120 so I assume they're female. So someone who is supposed to weigh 54kg, its not bad that they weigh 122?! What the hell....That is ridiculously overweight and more than twice the person's 'average' weight. If you can't see a problem with that then you're delusional.

The only one there is sleep apnea. The others can all be had from being skinny too.

Don't you understand? Yes you can attain those whilst being skinny, but being fat makes you more at risk. And where the fuck did you get your "maybe 5% but no" statistic from?!

Oh and btw, these things that say fat is so bad, are funded by medication companies with weight loss pills.

The National Health Service here in the UK has tons of research  and statistics and leaflets about the dangers of obesity, and they certainly don't sell weight loss pills nor are they funded by medication companies, they're funded by tax payers money.

[Himu]

this is the most distinguished mentally-challenged thing i have ever heard and whoever thinks it is a good idea is dum

[Van Cruncheon]

let's address the pink elephant (lol) here, chiggaz: you're so strident about fatties because a) they aren't aesthetically pleasing to look at; and b) in puritan-ass america, they symbolize laziness and a lack of self-control. hence, the language of contempt, rather than the language of sympathy. nobody HERE really gives a shit about helping fatties get healthier, so stick to the insults and stay away from the manufactured concern, if only for the sake of honesty (and consistency).

[APF]

As a former personal trainer, I certainly didn't help all those overweight folks get into marginally better shape because I hated to be around them.

[Don Flamenco]

33? Holy shit. I'm skin and bones and I've got a 30" waist. They must be trying to squelch obesity before it reaches America levels.

yeah you're below average there champ.

let's address the pink elephant (lol) here, chiggaz: you're so strident about fatties because a) they aren't aesthetically pleasing to look at; and b) in puritan-ass america, they symbolize laziness and a lack of self-control. hence, the language of contempt, rather than the language of sympathy. nobody HERE really gives a shit about helping fatties get healthier, so stick to the insults and stay away from the manufactured concern, if only for the sake of honesty (and consistency).

In the U.S., damn straight I don't like seriously overweight people.  I'm not talking chubby or even verified fat.  I'm talking about the mouth breathing smelly scary, seriously large people who don't seem like they're just naturally large.  The kind you see at game stores or hobbling into McDonald's.

But as much as I hate super U.S.A. McDonald's fatties, this policy is seriously fucking distinguished mentally-challenged and will lead to ridiculous discrimination against fat people.  Not that discrimination isn't already a huge problem for Japan

[brawndolicious]

Someone keeps mentioning cigs...  you can smoke *everywhere* here in Japan, cigs are like two-and-a-half bucks a pack, and I don't think I could walk two meters without seeing someone with a cigarette dangling out of his or her maw.

Also, Japan's health care system is shit.  It's even worse than Canada's, and that's saying something.

I imagine the low cost of cigs is because of their popularity.  It doesn't mean they're not taxed though.

For the fat tax; it makes sense in any country where there is universal health care.  It distributes the resources more evenly.  I do hope that all fat people pay the same price and that it's not based on a percentage of your paycheck.

[MyNameIsMethodis]

I think it's stupid to dislike someone because they're fat.

That's like, the most shallowest shit in the world. Like extreme racism shit.

[brawndolicious]

I'm...sorry.

[demi]

Nobody tell him about Olimario

[recursivelyenumerable]

I dislike fat women because some of them are otherwise pretty cool and would make valuable additions to my theoretical dating pool.  On the other hand, fat men are great.  I wish all men other than me were disgustingly obese.

[APF]

At the very least, if you're going to argue this is rational in a UHC country, base it on actual body fat percentage and not BMI which is a rough tool for quick estimation and not a meaningful measure of anything health-related.

[bork]

I gotta say, I saw more fatties in Tokyo than I ever have seen before, and I'm not talking about other foreigners.   

This one heavy-set lady was SKIPPING down a crosswalk last night...I couldn't help bursting out laughing.   

Made me feel better about myself though, cuz all these dudes were WAAAAY fatter than I am.

[duckman2000]

Sounds great.

[BlackMage]

wtf! I'm 6'3" 173 (which is underweight) and I have a 34" waist

[xnikki118x]

Am I a terrible human being for thinking this is kind of a step in the right direction? I mean it's extreme, sure--33 inch waist is way tiny--but I hate the fatties who live on Hungryman frozen dinners and drive up the cost of health care.

[xnikki118x]

There really should be an old people tax, too.  They're the real menace.

I find that often, old people are either really nice or really mean. I wonder why what happens.

[Cormacaroni]

People with an active sporting life have to pay more tax because they are a greater health risk?  

Yes, minor injuries are part of keeping fit and playing sports. But the long-term health gains far outweigh the short-term aches and pains. Every 65-yr old jogger is a 65-yr old NOT in a nursing home or in long-term hospital care.

[Don Flamenco]

I think it's stupid to dislike someone because they're fat.

That's like, the most shallowest shit in the world. Like extreme racism shit.

well, not every part of my personality is "deep."  p.s. weight =/= race.  and not wanting to be around morbidly obese people is more of a comfort thing.  also on the list-- people with halitosis, uncontrollable gas, people who don't wear deodorant or shower frequently enough to not have an aura of smell. 


Sumo wrestling is gonna fucking suck from here on out.

[xnikki118x]

People with an active sporting life have to pay more tax because they are a greater health risk? 

Yes, minor injuries are part of keeping fit and playing sports. But the long-term health gains far outweigh the short-term aches and pains. Every 65-yr old jogger is a 65-yr old NOT in a nursing home or in long-term hospital care.

Oh wow, they said that? I didn't read that part. People who are active are like, the ones we should look up to. If I passed a law like this it'd be geared toward the fat slobs who order pizza for dinner every night and don't move off the couch except to microwave something or get soda from the fridge next to them.

[demi]

Yes... yes they should

[brawndolicious]

I think this approach to the argument has a nasty logical end, though.  If resources are truly to be distributed evenly, everyone should have to take a risk assessment every, I dunno, year or something to see what risk they present to the universal health care system.  People with an active sporting lifestyle would have to pay a tax since they are more at risk of broken limbs or torn muscles.  People who drive should have to pay an additional tax.  People who live in more dangerous parts of a city are also potential drains on the healthcare system... better toss an extra tax in there.

I'm not Japanese and I haven't lived in Japan all that long, but I know in my home and native land of Canada, the free healthcare is part of an overarching philosophy of mild socialism.  Canadians face brutal taxes, and that funds not just things like free healthcare but also the robust social assistance program and university subsidies.  Something like this wouldn't make any sense there as the system is already set up in such a way that the people who have their shit together have to pay for the people who don't. 

Government interference in the lives of private citizens ought to be kept to a minimum.

yeah, but having universal healthcare and having the secret police break in and burn your frozen pizzas on your lawn is a big leap.

When the government provides the healthcare, it makes sense for them to encourage, even through financial means, people to not choose to do things that are extremely unhealthy.  Being obese is unhealthy, and most of the time it's a choice so it should be something that the government does take some steps towards preventing.  The waistline measurement system is bullshit and taxing the employer is stupid but the eventual goal of this tax is good.  Things like personal transportation and exercise are essential in modern society.  Although it might sound too judgmental, a sin tax on obesity does make sense in a country with universal healthcare.  I agree that they are going about it in the wrong way though with how they consider people fat and how they get the tax.

[Cormacaroni]

I don't see much wrong with taxing the employer, given that it's my employer who insists I sit at the same cubicle all day long. My body is essentially atrophying for 8 hrs a day. On top of the 8hrs I sleep, that's 2/3rds of my life that I'm barely moving. My company does provide good healthcare coverage and offers discount coupons for a local gym, but it could do a hell of a lot more to help me live a healthy life. Like give me some freakin' time during the day to go to the gym.

[brawndolicious]

I once heard that some japanese companies have the employees do morning calisthenics so that's a step in the right direction.  Obviously that's not going to burn much and you'll still have hours and hours of sitting down but it's something.

[Eel O'Brian]

smh

[APF]

A 65-year-old jogger could indeed be in long-term medical care--not only because having an active lifestyle doesn't inoculate you from suffering age-related ailments, disease, or illness, but also because the high-impact nature of running and jogging / similar activities causes havoc to your joints.

[xnikki118x]

Yeah, but you can get new joints. Once your lungs and stuff start to go, you can't really replace those. I'd rather a 65-year-old healthy jogger than a 65-year-old obese smoker.

[Cormacaroni]

APF -

You can't be in long-term medical care (meaning, in a hospital or old folks' home or similar) and simultaneously be jogging. How many folks do you see rise from a wheelchair for a brisk morning 5k? An 'active, sporting lifestyle' is no panacea but by no means is it something we should be discouraging because of minor injuries. The long-term savings are going to far outweigh the short-term costs.

Are you familar with the term 'organ reserve'? It's basically the capacity of our organs to handle stress. Dying of 'natural causes' is typically because of organ failure. Organ reserve correlates strongly with skeletal mass and lean muscle mass. The more exercise you do, the more you build up your bones (yup, lifting weights literally gives you bigger bones, since your body is responding to the stress of carrying the extra weight...hence the common fattie defence of being 'big-boned'), your muscle mass AND your organ reserve. Anyone who is taking regular exercise is on track to live longer on average than people who don't, and have a higher quality of life while doing so. They'll be getting up and walking around, picking up heavy stuff etc much longer than couch potatoes BECAUSE they get up, walk around and pick up heavy stuff right now. Any mentality that discourages people from being active and sporty now is working against our shared long-term health interests. I recognize that the original statement about this was intended to be satirical but it's still wrong-headed and uninformed.

[Cormacaroni]

Yeah, but you can get new joints. Once your lungs and stuff start to go, you can't really replace those. I'd rather a 65-year-old healthy jogger than a 65-year-old obese smoker.

Jogging is indeed overly harsh on the joints. But doing the RIGHT exercise (squatting with weight, with proper form for example) is much better for your joints than doing nothing.

[chronovore]

I'll be pushing the extended lunch idea at work if the law comes in lol.

You and me both. The hours here don't allow for working out much; but they're keen if you're big on skipping dinner!

[APF]

Yeah, but you can get new joints. Once your lungs and stuff start to go, you can't really replace those. I'd rather a 65-year-old healthy jogger than a 65-year-old obese smoker.

I'd rather be a 65-year-old healthy weight lifter who maybe did some interval workouts on the side