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I gonna lose weight if it's the last fucking thing I do!
« on: June 22, 2008, 12:36:12 PM »
THAT'S IT BITCHES, TIME TO KICK THIS MOTHERFUCKER INTO OVERDRIVE.

I've been walking weekends for around an hour (roughly 1.5-2 miles for me) for the past three months, and now that it's summer and my time is an abundance, I'm gonna kick this shit into gear by signing up to a gym. Now I need some general tips. My regimen planned so far is going to implemented seven days a week, and it looks something like this:

-Bike to the gym (half mile)
-Warm up on the treadmill for an hour
-Do high rep/low weight curls (5 sets of 25 reps at 20lbs)
-Do high rep/low weight squats (5 sets of 20 at 180lbs)
-Cool down with a half hour on the treadmill
-Bike back home

I'm also going to regulate my eating by eating smaller portions, avoiding red meat and soda has been out of the question for three months (although I've just started to quit juice drinks I've replaced the soda with, a failure is me!).

I don't really have any specific goals at this point to reach. There are only two: 250lbs by December 31st, 200lbs by June 1st. I'm not sure of my current weight, I'd say ~310lbs.

Fellow fitness-EBers, guide my hand.
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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2008, 12:38:48 PM »
My advice was going to be quit soda, which you did! But you need to replace that shit with water.

Also, if you drink a lot, stop. Alcohol screws up your metabolism.

I'm 17, and I hate all alcohol with a passion since everybody in my family is or once was a heavy drinker.

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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2008, 12:44:45 PM »
Awesome, I'm glad all my passive studying of weight loss plans actually proved useful! :rock

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« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2008, 12:48:11 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2008, 12:51:00 PM »
You'll lose a few pounds water weight fast if you drop juice completely, so be prepared to see a few pounds drop and then see the pounds take a bit longer to lose. Also cutting your salt intake will reduce water weight as well. Make sure you take a one-a-day vitamin as well.
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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2008, 01:01:16 PM »
one-a-day vitamin? Like what?

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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2008, 01:03:42 PM »
Centrum is fine. A lot of people recommend Centrum Silver regardless of age but ive never figured out why.
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« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2008, 01:06:09 PM »
OK. Cool, well, wish me luck guys. I may take pictures for progress, and I'm definitely gonna bump this thread any time I have a breakthrough.

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« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2008, 01:20:10 PM »
good luck
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« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2008, 01:21:07 PM »
Good advice, good plans so far. Do you have any plans on the food you'll be eating in small portions?

Also doing some crunches before you go to bed will help tone your stomach. You won't see results for awhile but eventually you'll begin losing weight on your sides
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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2008, 01:29:29 PM »
Good advice, good plans so far. Do you have any plans on the food you'll be eating in small portions?

Also doing some crunches before you go to bed will help tone your stomach. You won't see results for awhile but eventually you'll begin losing weight on your sides

Sit-ups are a part of the regimen I forgot to mention. 2 sets of 25 before and after the gym session.

Eating, I'm not so sure. I think it's going to come out something like turkey sandwiches, try my hand at salads. Breakfast is somewhat of a mystery. If I've woken up and everybody is awake, my mother will make me eggs, but in most cases I'm the first awake at my house and I gotta eat cereal or some shit.

Now I know what you're saying (lul he don't know how to cook), but my mom doesn't let me near the kitchen. She FREAKS out, since she's a housewife and I'm sure she doesn't want her role in the house to be downplayed. That's neither here nor there, though.

Anyways, if you want to recommend some food ideas I'd be more than happy to hear them. A friend of mine said he ate beans exclusively when he went on a crash weight loss course and lost 50 pounds in three months (but he is a wrestler for my school), so I was considering beans, but I'm not sure what kind.

I've also been told that eating Zone energy bars are a good source of minerals for people who exercise.

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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2008, 01:29:41 PM »
All I can say is to just not give up and if you do lose the weight, keep it off and don't fall into bad habits.

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« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2008, 01:30:49 PM »
Ditch the high rep/low weight crap. (except for abwork).  Useless.
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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2008, 01:31:40 PM »


Also doing some crunches before you go to bed will help tone your stomach. You won't see results for awhile but eventually you'll begin losing weight on your sides

That's pretty dumb, actually.
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« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2008, 01:33:24 PM »
All I can say is to just not give up and if you do lose the weight, keep it off and don't fall into bad habits.

Well that's the fucking awesome part about this plan. I really wish I could go out more, do more things, be more physical, but my body limits me. As soon as my body isn't holding me back from going out and doing more things and I have the energy and lack the shame of going out to the beach and other things like that, nobody on EB is ever going to see a post of mine again, most probably, since I'll be outside all the fucking time.

With all that physical activity, be it recreation or otherwise, it should keep me from falling back into a fatty. I mean, when I get skinny enough, I plan on getting into gymnastics so I can practice parkour.

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Ditch the high rep/low weight crap. (except for abwork).  Useless.

See, I believe I've seen you post this before. Can you add some sort of explanation? Every gym teacher at my school recommended at a high rep/low weight program.

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That's pretty dumb, actually.

Why, though? Insight, plz.

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« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2008, 01:36:11 PM »


Also doing some crunches before you go to bed will help tone your stomach. You won't see results for awhile but eventually you'll begin losing weight on your sides

That's pretty dumb, actually.

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« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2008, 01:55:05 PM »
Generally ive always been under the impression that cardio is for rapid weight loss and while muscle burns more calories, the act of weight training doesnt burn as many calories as cardio.
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« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2008, 02:10:05 PM »
Generally ive always been under the impression that cardio is for rapid weight loss and while muscle burns more calories, the act of weight training doesnt burn as many calories as cardio.

That's what I'm thinking too, man, but I wanna hear out swaggaz rational on this topic, although it seems he's left the building.

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« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2008, 02:12:30 PM »
I dont know very much about weight lifting, im just going off things ive read here and there. Id assume its harder to see results if a person is still overweight, and muscle weighs more than fat, which could skew how much weight youre losing per month.
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« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2008, 02:17:20 PM »
I dont know very much about weight lifting, im just going off things ive read here and there. Id assume its harder to see results if a person is still overweight, and muscle weighs more than fat, which could skew how much weight youre losing per month.

Well the thing is I did heavy lifting before as a weight loss regimen. I fell to 295 and didn't move after that for the three months I went. The last thing I want is to be built. I want to drop to 200 first, then from there choose muscle building or acrobatics training and continue along that path.

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« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2008, 02:19:51 PM »
Might want to go straight up cardio then and tone afterwards. Still, if you don't have much fat on your arms I dont see what harm lifting some hand weights will do, and you will see the results.
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« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2008, 02:22:42 PM »
post pics and or vids of you working out please...
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« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2008, 02:26:53 PM »


Also doing some crunches before you go to bed will help tone your stomach. You won't see results for awhile but eventually you'll begin losing weight on your sides

That's pretty dumb, actually.

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« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2008, 02:46:11 PM »

See, I believe I've seen you post this before. Can you add some sort of explanation? Every gym teacher at my school recommended at a high rep/low weight program.


Well, you have some pretty dumb gym teachers then.  Such high rep exercises don't really stress the muscles enough to grow or build.  All it really ends up being is a really inefficient way of burning calories.  You're not building muscle in any way with such high reps, and don't say "bu-bu-bu I want to tone my muscles", because as I say below, you can't spot reduce fat.  I used to do 8-12 rep sets.  The highest I would go rep-wise would be a crossfit program, which, tend to be more high-intensity endurance programs where the emphasis is on speed.  And even then, I think crossfit exercises top out at 21 reps.

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Why, though? Insight, plz.

"Toning the stomach" by doing situps is a myth.  You can't spot reduce fat.  ie. you cannot do exercises in one area to lose fat in that one area.  Now, doing abwork is useful to develop the muscles underneath that fat, but it doesn't matter what time in the fucking day you do it.  Outside of doing situps (and you don't have to do all that many), visible abs are developed through diet, cardio, and genetics.

or the short version:  It's PD, why the fuck would you listen to advice he gives?
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« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2008, 02:48:04 PM »
I dont know very much about weight lifting, im just going off things ive read here and there. Id assume its harder to see results if a person is still overweight, and muscle weighs more than fat, which could skew how much weight youre losing per month.

Well the thing is I did heavy lifting before as a weight loss regimen. I fell to 295 and didn't move after that for the three months I went. The last thing I want is to be built. I want to drop to 200 first, then from there choose muscle building or acrobatics training and continue along that path.

Then I'd stick with high-intensity cardio.  Which your program seems to be lacking.  I mean, you're doing lots of cardio, but as a "warm-up" run, a "cool down" run, and a bike home.  My impression is that you're not doing any of those with much intensity.  Certainly if you're spending an hour and a fucking half on the treadmill, you aren't working yourself hard enough, unless you're a marathon runner or something. 

Then again, you may have to ease yourself in to higher intensity workouts, considering that you do weigh over 300 lbs.
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« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2008, 02:49:45 PM »
I've lost 30 pounds since i've began my diet/exercise plan
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« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2008, 03:05:40 PM »
I never said it's the only thing you should do to tone your stomach, chill out son. You're right, crunches along with cardio and diet changes are needed to finish the job. Considering he had already mentioned those things I brought up crunches.
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« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2008, 03:22:29 PM »
"son" lol
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« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2008, 03:25:54 PM »
I think at higher weights a diet change will have more of an effect than pushing yourself into more intense cardio and basically making yourself feel like shit when your body cant handle it yet. Lighter, but frequent cardio with intense dietary changes will be enough to get the ball rolling. You will notice when you can start pushing yourself harder in the cardio department, and when you can i'd recommend it.

They key to all of this is sticking with it, and its best, as boogie says, to ease into it. Otherwise its going to be a short ride with a big bucket of regret waiting at the end.
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« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2008, 03:27:23 PM »
I just went for a walk, fuck exercising for at least another 3 weeks
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« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2008, 03:56:25 PM »
180x20x5 squats is a pretty hefty fucking workout, IMO.

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« Reply #31 on: June 22, 2008, 04:52:19 PM »
180x20x5 squats is a pretty hefty fucking workout, IMO.
Why so many? That is 100 squats!!!

Ditch the curls. They won't help you lose weight at all and your arms won't look noticeably different if you are extremely overweight. Try full body exercises like squats (which you do) and light deadlifts (until you get the form down). The more muscle you have to more fat you burn while exercising and remaining sedentary.
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« Reply #32 on: June 22, 2008, 05:17:01 PM »
high intensity cardio is better than any of that and should really be all you need for a while.  Do some running to work your core.  It works a lot more than your legs.  The biggest thing right now should be getting to your target heartrate for an extended period of time. 

Running for an hour but not pushing yourself is worthless.  Running hard for 10 minutes and stopping is pretty worthless.  I can jack off for a few hours, break a sweat and raise my heartrate but i won't be losing any weight. 

Intensity and longevity.  If you've been pretty inactive for a while, you'll see some massive drops quickly if you hit it hard.  And when you start to see massive drops you'll get really inspired to do more. 

Stick to a decent diet (no fast food, no soda, no sugary shit.  eat small meals spread out through the day and eat obviously good shit.  it's not that hard.  a sandwich is better than a burger.  an apple is better than bacon and eggs and shit).

If you do low weight/high rep shit, you're basically strokin yourself to make you feel good at that point.  You need to train your body to be in another mode and burn massive amounts of calories instead of packing them away.  That way your body can do it while you're away from the gym too.

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« Reply #33 on: June 22, 2008, 07:42:21 PM »
If you're going from doing nothing, and eating like shit, then even small lifestyle changes will have a profound effect.  Going for a walk every day, taking the stairs rather than the elevator, skipping dessert, swapping water for soda, etc.  Even by just doing this sort of bullshit you could start dropping a couple of pounds a week, depending on where you're starting.  At the same time, you'll be preparing yourself for higher-intensity work down the line.  The most important thing is to make sustainable changes, rather than doing a lot of crap for a month or two, then burning out, dropping the whole thing, spinning into a whirlwind depression where you convince yourself you're completely worthless and will never be able to accomplish anything in your entire miserable life so why even bother I mean why live in the first place it's not like anyone will ever see how special you are want to be with you or even come to love you this isn't some sort of fucking fairy tale so why don't you just end it all but before you do you'll make them see you'll make a noise so loud they'll never forget you--and then you've murdered a schoolroom full of disabled kindergartners, all because you tried to dive into heavy interval training before you were really ready.

Are you willing to take that chance??


Also abs are like any other muscle--in fact, they tend to respond better to heavier weights and lower reps.  More important (for most non-athletes) than strengthening your abs though, is strengthening your lower back.
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« Reply #34 on: June 22, 2008, 07:47:54 PM »

See, I believe I've seen you post this before. Can you add some sort of explanation? Every gym teacher at my school recommended at a high rep/low weight program.


Well, you have some pretty dumb gym teachers then.  Such high rep exercises don't really stress the muscles enough to grow or build.  All it really ends up being is a really inefficient way of burning calories.  You're not building muscle in any way with such high reps, and don't say "bu-bu-bu I want to tone my muscles", because as I say below, you can't spot reduce fat.  I used to do 8-12 rep sets.  The highest I would go rep-wise would be a crossfit program, which, tend to be more high-intensity endurance programs where the emphasis is on speed.  And even then, I think crossfit exercises top out at 21 reps.

Whoa whoa dude, I was only interested in information, I'm not against you here. I just wanna know why. You can't come into a thread and say everything said so far is wrong and just jam out. Thanks for explaining.

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Why, though? Insight, plz.

"Toning the stomach" by doing situps is a myth.  You can't spot reduce fat.  ie. you cannot do exercises in one area to lose fat in that one area.  Now, doing abwork is useful to develop the muscles underneath that fat, but it doesn't matter what time in the fucking day you do it.  Outside of doing situps (and you don't have to do all that many), visible abs are developed through diet, cardio, and genetics.

I know you can't spot reduce, I've been told that by many many people. How many sit-ups would you recommend?

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180x20x5 squats is a pretty hefty fucking workout, IMO.

I can max squat around 450lbs

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Then I'd stick with high-intensity cardio.  Which your program seems to be lacking.  I mean, you're doing lots of cardio, but as a "warm-up" run, a "cool down" run, and a bike home.  My impression is that you're not doing any of those with much intensity.  Certainly if you're spending an hour and a fucking half on the treadmill, you aren't working yourself hard enough, unless you're a marathon runner or something.

Then again, you may have to ease yourself in to higher intensity workouts, considering that you do weigh over 300 lbs.

That's the thing, if I try to run I'm fucked up the bum, easy as that. There's no way I'm gonna do distance running. The total hour and a half of treadmill would've been walking, if I don't edit the plan in the OP. All the fitness instructors I've talked to said that would be good, but if you know a better way, I mean that works too. I can't even lightly jog for more than maybe 50ft.

And since I don't feel like breakdown-quoting Mups' or FA's posts, the basic consensus from you two is go to the gym just to hit the elliptical like a motherfucker for a half hour a day? That's all? Really? I mean of course, with diet changes and shit, yes of course, but that sounds way too easy to be true. Couldn't I just use a Gazelle? I think my mom still has hers.

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If you're going from doing nothing, and eating like shit, then even small lifestyle changes will have a profound effect.  Going for a walk every day, taking the stairs rather than the elevator, skipping dessert, swapping water for soda, etc.  Even by just doing this sort of bullshit you could start dropping a couple of pounds a week, depending on where you're starting.  At the same time, you'll be preparing yourself for higher-intensity work down the line.  The most important thing is to make sustainable changes, rather than doing a lot of crap for a month or two, then burning out, dropping the whole thing, spinning into a whirlwind depression where you convince yourself you're completely worthless and will never be able to accomplish anything in your entire miserable life so why even bother I mean why live in the first place it's not like anyone will ever see how special you are want to be with you or even come to love you this isn't some sort of fucking fairy tale so why don't you just end it all but before you do you'll make them see you'll make a noise so loud they'll never forget you--and then you've murdered a schoolroom full of disabled kindergartners, all because you tried to dive into heavy interval training before you were really ready.

lul, I've already been working at a very slow-going exercise regimen to prep my body, which has worked. I've been off soda and caffeine for going on four months now, and I've generally led a more active lifestyle (or at least am starting to) now. It's not like I'm afraid to do this. I've done it already. I quit the gym when I was doing muscle workouts in 2006 because the gym manager had run away with members' credit card information and then I just sort of slumped, even when new management came along. I know what dedicating yourself to an exercise regimen is like, and I fucking love it.

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« Reply #35 on: June 22, 2008, 07:56:26 PM »
I've been feeling real fucked up since some surgery which had the unfortunate side effect of screwing up my balance and subsequently cause me to move a lot less even after leaving the ICU. So I tried biting the bullet by going to this small neighborhood gym, and it occurred to me that I had no idea how any of these machines work, what they were supposed to do, and what training regimen I should use. I'd go back to free running, but in my current state, that's just a deadly accident waiting to happen. These machines though, I don't get them. For example, what's the difference in benefit between using one of the stationary bikes, or using the treadmill?

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« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2008, 07:58:49 PM »
I've been feeling real fucked up since some surgery which had the unfortunate side effect of screwing up my balance and subsequently cause me to move a lot less even after leaving the ICU. So I tried biting the bullet by going to this small neighborhood gym, and it occurred to me that I had no idea how any of these machines work, what they were supposed to do, and what training regimen I should use. I'd go back to free running, but in my current state, that's just a deadly accident waiting to happen. These machines though, I don't get them. For example, what's the difference in benefit between using one of the stationary bikes, or using the treadmill?


If you hijack this thread, I'm going to rape you.

Stationary bikes, just like any kind of bike, isn't as effective as running/walking because you're sitting down and you're using mainly your legs. With walking, it takes all your body to maintain balance and such.

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« Reply #38 on: June 22, 2008, 08:00:53 PM »
I've been feeling real fucked up since some surgery which had the unfortunate side effect of screwing up my balance and subsequently cause me to move a lot less even after leaving the ICU. So I tried biting the bullet by going to this small neighborhood gym, and it occurred to me that I had no idea how any of these machines work, what they were supposed to do, and what training regimen I should use. I'd go back to free running, but in my current state, that's just a deadly accident waiting to happen. These machines though, I don't get them. For example, what's the difference in benefit between using one of the stationary bikes, or using the treadmill?


If you hijack this thread, I'm going to rape you.

Stationary bikes, just like any kind of bike, isn't as effective as running/walking because you're sitting down and you're using mainly your legs. With walking, it takes all your body to maintain balance and such.

Not to worry, I'm just curious about these machines. I've never felt the need to use a gym, until now.

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I think I just threw up. Nasty. Except the first one.

It's not like I'm a food addict. You posting all those fatty foods in a thread like this is like posting watermelon and fried chicken in a thread PD or Himuro made asking "What should I eat today?".

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« Reply #40 on: June 22, 2008, 08:03:38 PM »
It was a joke. Don't think too deeply into it. ::)

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« Reply #41 on: June 22, 2008, 08:04:39 PM »
It was a joke. Don't think too deeply into it. ::)


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« Reply #42 on: June 22, 2008, 08:05:43 PM »
Who the hell is that? ???

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« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2008, 08:13:23 PM »
It was a joke. Don't think too deeply into it. ::)

I wasn't thinking deeply. I'm just growing tired of all the superfluous posts that litter every fucking thread on EB. If it's actually funny, cool, everybody gets a laugh out of it. Your post wasn't really funny. It was just sort of forced.

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« Reply #44 on: June 22, 2008, 08:17:49 PM »
I apologize if it really made you that upset. My intentions weren't malicious.

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« Reply #45 on: June 22, 2008, 08:21:07 PM »
I apologize if it really made you that upset. My intentions weren't malicious.

It didn't. If I haven't come to terms with being fat for going on 18 years, that's my problem. But was it really worth the time it took to make that post? Or the time it's taking to suffer the ensuing conversation we're still in?

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« Reply #46 on: June 22, 2008, 08:22:12 PM »
I lost 115 lbs in about 18 months but I could have done it (healthily of course) in 12.  Feel free to ask any questions.
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« Reply #47 on: June 22, 2008, 08:22:45 PM »
I lost 115 lbs in about 18 months but I could have done it (healthily of course) in 12.  Feel free to ask any questions.

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« Reply #48 on: June 22, 2008, 08:27:21 PM »
Just a question, what are you reasons for not wanting to be fat anymore? Please tell it has nothing to do with being a virgin, if you are one.
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« Reply #49 on: June 22, 2008, 08:27:55 PM »
I apologize if it really made you that upset. My intentions weren't malicious.

It didn't. If I haven't come to terms with being fat for going on 18 years, that's my problem. But was it really worth the time it took to make that post? Or the time it's taking to suffer the ensuing conversation we're still in?

I was trying to add a little humour to the topic (re: trying to be funny). I felt like it was light-hearted post. I even spoilered them just in case you didn't want to see them.

Maybe it's because I was anorexic a couple of years ago. I don't know, I just smirked when I thought of the idea.  

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« Reply #50 on: June 22, 2008, 08:34:55 PM »
Went from 275 lbs to 160 lbs.  Now I'm 195 lbs and the gain has mostly been muscle (well, with glycogen a lot of it is water).

It is very tough.  I was surprised at how strong the impulse was to eat crappy food.  My body had long since adjusted to this bad diet and the first week was unbearable.  I had terrible heartburn every night.  I mostly just kept drinking water.  After the first week (I lost about 10 lbs, mostly water of course), my body began adjusting to a healthier lifestyle.  I had a lot more energy (despite eating much less), my mind was less muddled, and strangely enough, I began to sweat constantly.  I'm guessing my metabolism was damn near nothing and now that it kicked on, the weight kept dropping.

Food is the most important thing.  You need food.  You need nutrition.  Most people make the mistake of eating far too few calories or eating a bunch of empty food.  My favorite food typically was oatmeal, eggs, chicken breast, cottage cheese, and brown rice.  Sounds pretty bland but I spice it up.  I love everything to be spicy so I load all my meat up with Mrs. Dash Extra Spicy or A1 Bold and Spicy, etc.  For oatmeal, I loaded it up with Splenda.  Ideally, you should eat all of these foods plain but only if you plan to be a bodybuilding competitor and need every single edge.  Since you probably are not in this position, I would season it.  As always, check the labels.  Plenty of great, no calorie seasonings to make your food taste better.  If you are vegetarian, be sure you get enough protein.  It is an essential building block.  Plenty of vegetables have high protein content but I like meat so I eat meat.

I lifted four times a week, ran twice, rested once a week.  Once a week, I'd have a cheat day where I'd eat how I used to.  I'd look forward to it and by the end of the day itself, I couldn't wait to get back on track.  It is very powerful psychologically even though you essentially are halting your progress by one day.  One day out of seven is not a huge deal so unless you eat 15,000 calories (unlikely), you will be just fine.

I lost in 18 months because the last few months, I coasted in and out.  Being in college, I got into the whole drinking, eating crappy foods, weed, and partying thing.  I maintained my weight at this point.  You can do away with this entirely and get it done a lot faster.

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« Reply #51 on: June 22, 2008, 08:53:44 PM »
Just a question, what are you reasons for not wanting to be fat anymore? Please tell it has nothing to do with being a virgin, if you are one.

It doesn't have anything to do with getting bitches. I really don't give a fuck about girls because here on the west coast they're all fucking crazy, and it doesn't help that I'm still in high school. I explained my reasons earlier in the thread. I want to lead an active life. Some of my favorite things in the world are skateboarding, parkour and basketball, and in my current state I can't do any of these things. I love to watch people do the aforementioned, but when I try to do it, I can't. My body holds me back. I need that to stop happening. My body is preventing me from living my life the way I want to, and I can't have that happening. There shouldn't be a single reason that isn't my own fault when it comes to being able to do the things I want. And while I know being fat is my fault anyways, I previously left it up to time to get rid of it, as I had convinced myself I was 'still growing' (as my parents would say) and that the fat would go away. Wrong.

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I was trying to add a little humour to the topic (re: trying to be funny). I felt like it was light-hearted post. I even spoilered them just in case you didn't want to see them.

Maybe it's because I was anorexic a couple of years ago. I don't know, I just smirked when I thought of the idea. 

-shrug- I dunno dude.

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Went from 275 lbs to 160 lbs.  Now I'm 195 lbs and the gain has mostly been muscle (well, with glycogen a lot of it is water).

It is very tough.  I was surprised at how strong the impulse was to eat crappy food.  My body had long since adjusted to this bad diet and the first week was unbearable.  I had terrible heartburn every night.  I mostly just kept drinking water.  After the first week (I lost about 10 lbs, mostly water of course), my body began adjusting to a healthier lifestyle.  I had a lot more energy (despite eating much less), my mind was less muddled, and strangely enough, I began to sweat constantly.  I'm guessing my metabolism was damn near nothing and now that it kicked on, the weight kept dropping.

Food is the most important thing.  You need food.  You need nutrition.  Most people make the mistake of eating far too few calories or eating a bunch of empty food.  My favorite food typically was oatmeal, eggs, chicken breast, cottage cheese, and brown rice.  Sounds pretty bland but I spice it up.  I love everything to be spicy so I load all my meat up with Mrs. Dash Extra Spicy or A1 Bold and Spicy, etc.  For oatmeal, I loaded it up with Splenda.  Ideally, you should eat all of these foods plain but only if you plan to be a bodybuilding competitor and need every single edge.  Since you probably are not in this position, I would season it.  As always, check the labels.  Plenty of great, no calorie seasonings to make your food taste better.  If you are vegetarian, be sure you get enough protein.  It is an essential building block.  Plenty of vegetables have high protein content but I like meat so I eat meat.

I lifted four times a week, ran twice, rested once a week.  Once a week, I'd have a cheat day where I'd eat how I used to.  I'd look forward to it and by the end of the day itself, I couldn't wait to get back on track.  It is very powerful psychologically even though you essentially are halting your progress by one day.  One day out of seven is not a huge deal so unless you eat 15,000 calories (unlikely), you will be just fine.

I lost in 18 months because the last few months, I coasted in and out.  Being in college, I got into the whole drinking, eating crappy foods, weed, and partying thing.  I maintained my weight at this point.  You can do away with this entirely and get it done a lot faster.

See, this is the kind of misconception people get when I tell them I want to lose weight. Dieting is the very least of my problems. I will rarely feed myself until being full and I've always despised fast food (it tastes like utter shit). The problem stems from when I was younger, I'd eat ice cream every day, candy, burgers and ultra-fattening homemade dishes my mom would make for me. Pile this on top of a sedentary lifestyle and you have the recipe for fatness.

Changing my diet was the easiest fucking thing to do in the world. Not drinking soda was easy (after the first week of having my reflexes and brain be at half-capacity), as is skipping on fatty and junk foods. The only issue about dieting is that my parents don't know how to cook anything modern for weight loss since they're both foreign (Mother and father are Hungarian and Assyrian respectively) and they're not exactly supportive. My dad says I'm gonna be fat forever, and my mom doesn't do shit to keep fat foods out of the house or encourage healthier eating.

What you did, The Experiment, is awesome, I'm glad it worked so well for you, but I'm just a different kind of person from that. I have no questions, but I'm happy that you were able to turn your weight problem around. Thanks for your story.

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« Reply #52 on: June 22, 2008, 09:33:06 PM »
Wow, finally someone ELSE references Crossfit :bow

But you're misinformed 'no more than 21 reps' thing. There is no 'typical' Crossfit workout - rep counts can be as low as 3 or as high as 400. The mantra is: Routine is the enemy. Only constantly varying stimulus will force your body to keep adapting.

It seems there is one of these threads every week, and the same people post the same advice. I think i'm going to work up a 'Cliff Note's' version of what I usually post just to save time! All this is gleaned from crossfit.com and related sites. It's all time-tested stuff.

- 90% of weight loss (or weight gain) is diet. Clean up your diet before you do anything else.

- Keep workouts short and intense, for the most part. Your body responds much better to intense stimuli than moderate stimuli, plus it's more convenient and more exciting.

- Where applicable, use a stopwatch and keep track of your performance - the motivation effect is huge. Or write down how many reps you get in in a set amount of time. Or how far you swim etc etc. Write down everything you do and refer back to old workouts regularly. Seeing improvement on benchmarks will keep you going even when you're not seeing improvement in your waistline.

- If you're going to lift, you should lift heavy too. Strong people are more useful than weak ones, generally. Also, you're over 300lbs! You NEED to be strong if you're going to do any other form of exercise. You can't get much bigger than you already are so don't worry about lifting heavy.
High reps of low weight is fine as part of a varied approach, but just realize that it's a metabolic conditioning exercise, not a strength exercise. You need both metabolic conditioning AND strength to get where you want to be (acrobatics & parkour require crazy amounts of full-body strength on top of huge metabolic capacity). I'm pretty sure the main reason why your gym teachers want you to keep to a 'high reps, low weights' is because that's much safer for the untrained.

- Stay away from machines. All they do is remove the stabilization element from the work. Get some training in free weights and never look back. Body-weight exercises are incredibly useful as well - push-ups, pull-ups, squats, lunges, sit-ups, jumps...

- There are many, many more useful exercises than curls. Time spent doing isolation exercises is time when most of your body is doing nothing. Do exercises that recruit more muscle groups (like squats - you're on the right track there, just don't use a Smith machine, as above). Curls are for making your biceps look big, which is not one of your stated goals.

- 'Toning' is a myth, as thankfully some people have posted. Unless your body fat is already low enough to SEE the muscles under your skin, doing crunches is not going to make your gut look better. To see your abs, you need to lose fat, period.  (Nothing wrong with doing sit-ups of course - just understand what it is that they're doing for you - strengthening your core).

- go to crossfit.com and read, read, read. Then watch the videos. It's all free. No-one is trying to sell you anything. Most of the info about exercise, diet and fitness there is hundreds of years old. Then try some of the workouts, scaled back to your current abilities/fitness level. If afterward, you don't feel more alive than you have in years, you get your money back!
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« Reply #53 on: June 22, 2008, 09:36:23 PM »
Just to build on what Boogie stated about High Rep/Low weight. I've been taught that doing this sort of workout just builds muscle endurance. If you want to look cut you need to "build" muscle then drop the body fat. That's the real way to get "cut". So Low/Mid Rep(5-12)/Heavy weight.

Beginner Tip (and I'm still a Beginner): Pay attention to the time you rest between sets. The most common mistake is not taking ENOUGH time to rest between sets so your muscles won't be ready to handle a heavier weight. This is why some enthusiastic beginners seem to stall, they don't rest enough between sets. I've been doing 2 Minutes of resting between sets personally and its working well for me.
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« Reply #54 on: June 22, 2008, 09:41:33 PM »
So now I'm getting confused. Will somebody tell me straight up: I want to lose fat and be SKINNY, muscle is NOT a concern AT ALL, do I take on an elliptical/gazelle machine hardcore for 30 minutes, or should I go to the gym and do heavy lifting?

I don't want muscle at all. I want to lose all the fat first, from 180-200lbs, that's when I'll decide if I want muscles or not.

Btw, I'm 6'1. Forgot to mention.

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« Reply #55 on: June 22, 2008, 09:43:27 PM »
If thats your goal, then diet, diet, diet! Do some jogging (20 Minutes of Power Walking/Jogging) every other day (or every day if you want). That's the secret to losing weight/body fat. But first things first, evaluate and change your diet.
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« Reply #56 on: June 22, 2008, 09:44:01 PM »
If thats your goal, then diet, diet, diet! Do some light cardio (20 Minutes of Power Walking/Jogging) every other day (or every day if you want). That's the secret to losing weight/body fat. But first things first, evaluate and change your diet.

Then I'm already on the right track, it seems.

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« Reply #57 on: June 22, 2008, 09:51:37 PM »
That's good to hear then.

A couple of things

- Don't go cold turkey on things, ween yourself of them. Candy, Juice, Soda and Fast Food. If you go cold turkey, you'll just crave them more down the line. It takes a while but its better to do it right.

- If you relapse (lol serious word) when it comes to your diet, don't beat yourself up over it. Just go with the flow and stick with your diet. Some people think they need to punish themselves for deviating from their diets, this only places a negative aspect on the whole "Living a healthier life" plan which should be a wholly Positive experience/life change.

- Soda is the best thing to drop first. Its filled with so much sugar that its usually the main culprit in obesity. Sure there's food consumption but you'd be amazed at how many servings of Soda someone can consume in a day (and how much 1 Can of Soda can have a negative effect on your body). Its not like drinking 1 Can will make you obese but what happens is that 1 Can is like your daily amount of sugar consumption you should be taking in. After that the body takes in the sugar and turns the sugar it doesn't need into fat cells yadda yadda yadda Overweight.

- Fruit is good for you but like soda the sugar in the fruit that's taken in excess is turned into fat. Eat Fruit in the Morning and before a Workout/Cardio session.

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« Reply #58 on: June 22, 2008, 09:51:42 PM »
Running hard for 30 mins will have an impact if you are taking in less calories than you are using, basically. But you'll probably plateau at some point. That's why I advocate writing everything down. When the improvement from strict cardio tapers off, introduce something new to the mix.

btw, max squat of 450lbs? :bow
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« Reply #59 on: June 22, 2008, 09:56:06 PM »
I agree, keeping records and progress pictures will help you a lot.  Say you get tempted to give up two months in.  You can see the difference you've made in those two months and realize that you did make progress.

I keep everything in Excel files.  That way I can make graphs with it.
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