Ice-T points out the obvious, that Soljah Boy killed hip-hop...

[ferrarimanf355]

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And yet, rather than just agreeing with him and disappearing off the face of the goddamn earth, Soljah Boy, for some ungodly reason, tries to pick a fight with the T...

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Idiot. Wasn't Ice-T the guy who performed a song called "Cop Killer"? Take the hint, distinguished mentally-challenged fellow... 

[MyNameIsMethodis]

Ice-T in his nicca days is different from Ice-T in his whitey days.

[fistfulofmetal]

YOU DON'T FUCK WITH FIN.

[CHOW CHOW]

Souljah Boy absolutely killed him... I watched that whole thing

[Crushed]

wow

"THIS nicca IS OLD AS FUCK LEMME CHECK WIKIPEDIA THIS nicca HE BORN IN 1958 (tee-hee) THASS LIKE THREE CENTURIES AGO WHO THE HELL IS ICE-T HE WAS BO'N BEFO' THE INTANET WAS CREATED HOW THE FUCK HE FIND ME"

[The Sceneman]

wtf, Ice T is one of the true masters of rap. Soljah Boy can fuck off, fruity loops taco

[cloudwalking]

even though soulja boy has the intelligence of a brick, ice t looks like the idiot in this case. grown man is dissing a 17 year old kid? come the fuck on. all soulja boy did was make a fucking song on his computer and threw together some lyrics with a bunch of catch phrases and pop culture references and he got rich. soulja boy's fanbase is girls from the ages of 12-14.

ice t just looks weak for dissing this kid.

[bork]

It started off dumb, but Soulja Boy totally "owned" him.  Overuse of the "distinguished black gentleman" word aside, he was pretty mature considering he's a 17 year old kid.

[Reb]

How do you kill something that has been dead for years?

[lordmaji]

Soulja, Solja, wtf ever... ya right, he ain't shit, fuck that kid. he's a bitch.

[Brehvolution]

lol rap

QFT

I used to love Body Count though back in the day.

[tiesto]

Anybody see those Soulja Boy in Japan videos, where he gets copies of Valkyria Chronicles and Ryu Ga Gotoku: Kenzan? He gets points for being a SEGA fan.

[Tauntaun]

Soulja Boy: Real Talk, but can he not promise no homo?  Soulja Boy should post here, come on ni_gga, we will tell you to suck a dick, but it's ok here. 

[Phoenix Dark]

Soulja Boy is a 17 year old kid who built his own hype online, made the biggest song of 2007, then went platinum off that one hit. He's making money, who cares. I don't even consider him to be "hip hop" which makes Ice T's claim rather problematic. Honestly, T just embarrassed himself there. Telling a 17 year old kid to eat a dick? That he ruined hip hop? SMH. Soulja Boy didn't ruin shit. What's ruining hip hop is the labels who put a priority on signing ring tone rappers who'll make them quick bucks, then be replaced by the next big one hit wonder.

Soulja Boy was smart enough to make money off his "music" before he signed with Interscope - most of these jokers don't do that - but even that isn't going to save him from being dropped once it's obvious the well is dry. So when the label gives them a $500,000 advance what do they do? Take it out in cash, flaunt it in videos, buy expensive cars, take care of their crew, etc. They still don't realize an advance isn't like being payed by your employer: it has to be paid back eventually. So you sell millions off your ring tone, most of that goes to the label. Your album bombs (hip hop sales are taking a beating now). Your tour sales begin to wane. And you're stuck for the next year trying to come up with another hit to pay off your debt. And when you barely do you're dropped from the label.

[hyp]

Anybody see those Soulja Boy in Japan videos, where he gets copies of Valkyria Chronicles and Ryu Ga Gotoku: Kenzan? He gets points for being a SEGA fan.

 

yea ice t should be ashamed of himself.  i still think it's funny he told him to eat a dick though.  that's gangsta shit right there.

[Brehvolution]

T: Eat a dick

SB: Y B U?

[Pharmacy]

soulja boy isnt even hip-hop to begin with, soulja didnt kill hiphop wtf

wasnt ice-t the guy that once said its cool to start out commercial????? ice-t was the one that fucking said mc hammer was cool because he was commercial to begin with, he didnt sell out. exactly what soulja boy is?????????

[Beezy]

Ice-T responds (bonus at the end):

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[Tauntaun]

^  Wow, Ice-T, so pathetic.  This thing is sooo dumb. 

[FlameOfCallandor]

Rap feuds

[Phoenix Dark]

Cube should just bring out Coco and be like "whut nicca?!"

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let her do porn god dammit

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[Mupepe]

coco is pretty gross

[Himu]

even though soulja boy has the intelligence of a brick, ice t looks like the idiot in this case. grown man is dissing a 17 year old kid? come the fuck on. all soulja boy did was make a fucking song on his computer and threw together some lyrics with a bunch of catch phrases and pop culture references and he got rich. soulja boy's fanbase is girls from the ages of 12-14.

ice t just looks weak for dissing this kid.

agreed.

[Himu]

Soulja Boy is a 17 year old kid who built his own hype online, made the biggest song of 2007, then went platinum off that one hit. He's making money, who cares. I don't even consider him to be "hip hop" which makes Ice T's claim rather problematic. Honestly, T just embarrassed himself there. Telling a 17 year old kid to eat a dick? That he ruined hip hop? SMH. Soulja Boy didn't ruin shit. What's ruining hip hop is the labels who put a priority on signing ring tone rappers who'll make them quick bucks, then be replaced by the next big one hit wonder.

Soulja Boy was smart enough to make money off his "music" before he signed with Interscope - most of these jokers don't do that - but even that isn't going to save him from being dropped once it's obvious the well is dry. So when the label gives them a $500,000 advance what do they do? Take it out in cash, flaunt it in videos, buy expensive cars, take care of their crew, etc. They still don't realize an advance isn't like being payed by your employer: it has to be paid back eventually. So you sell millions off your ring tone, most of that goes to the label. Your album bombs (hip hop sales are taking a beating now). Your tour sales begin to wane. And you're stuck for the next year trying to come up with another hit to pay off your debt. And when you barely do you're dropped from the label.

wow i didn't know all of that in the second paragraph

[Phoenix Dark]

Edit: http://rapcoalition.org/Rappers%20Don't%20Make%20Loot.htm
(kinda dated but still relevant info; these guys aren't living large at all lol)

Rap is different from other genres in terms of how artists make money. Rock bands usually tour through the summer and do festivals (Ozzfest, Lolipalooza, etc) for instance; they stay on the road and make monies. Touring is how they make a good deal of their money, while the label basically gets $9-10 off every record sold. Add on royalties and popular bands will make good money right?

But with rappers touring often isn't a priority because of low sales/interest. You rarely hear about rappers selling out huge tour spots, or about big rap festivals (Rock the Bells is an exception for instance). It's like they get their advance money and figure fuck it, I'm rich bitch. NOPE. The label owns you because they own your music, and a lot of these guys still don't understand that. 50 Cent may suck as an artist but he knows how the system works and commands money. That might be changing now that his music isn't selling great anymore

[CHOW CHOW]

ice-t's response was corny as hell... the fuck was that

[BlueTsunami]

Ice-T responds (bonus at the end):

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Ice-T owns and lol at Ice-Ts son saying that Ice shouldn't have said what he said 'bout eating a dick but then goes on to say that hes Solja boys age then tells him to "eat a dick"

Respect yo' elders distinguished black fellow

Solja boy is whats wrong with music, along with fucking T-Pain

[hyp]

ice t's son. 

While Soulja Boy and Ice-T jab back and forth after T claimed Soulja single-handedly kiled hip-hop, Kanye West has come to the defense of the young rapper on his blog.

"Soulja boy is fresh ass hell and is actually the true meaning of what hip hop is sposed to be. He came from the hood, made his own beats, made up a new saying, new sound and a new dance with one song. He had all of America rapping this summer. If that ain’t Hip Hop then what is? A bunch of wannabe keep it real rappers that ain’t even relevant, recycling samples trying to act like it’s 96 again and all they do is hate on new shit? Ni*gas always talk about the golden age but for a 13 year old kid, this is the golden age!!! That song was so dope cause everything he said had a hidden meaning… that’s Nas level sh*t… he just put it over some steel drums which is also some Nas sh*t if you had the 2nd album cassette with the bonus track “Silent Murder” on it. In closing… new distinguished black fellows get ya money$$$$$$$$$$ Keep this sh*t fresh and original…. ain’t no fu*kin’ rules to this sh*t and that’s what real hip hop is to me."

http://www.hiphopgame.com/news.php3?id=2713

SMH @ kanye west

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I don't know what is worse, picking a fight with a 17 year old, or losing at it.

[Phoenix Dark]

ice t's son. 

While Soulja Boy and Ice-T jab back and forth after T claimed Soulja single-handedly kiled hip-hop, Kanye West has come to the defense of the young rapper on his blog.

"Soulja boy is fresh ass hell and is actually the true meaning of what hip hop is sposed to be. He came from the hood, made his own beats, made up a new saying, new sound and a new dance with one song. He had all of America rapping this summer. If that ain’t Hip Hop then what is? A bunch of wannabe keep it real rappers that ain’t even relevant, recycling samples trying to act like it’s 96 again and all they do is hate on new shit? Ni*gas always talk about the golden age but for a 13 year old kid, this is the golden age!!! That song was so dope cause everything he said had a hidden meaning… that’s Nas level sh*t… he just put it over some steel drums which is also some Nas sh*t if you had the 2nd album cassette with the bonus track “Silent Murder” on it. In closing… new distinguished black fellows get ya money$$$$$$$$$$ Keep this sh*t fresh and original…. ain’t no fu*kin’ rules to this sh*t and that’s what real hip hop is to me."

http://www.hiphopgame.com/news.php3?id=2713

SMH @ kanye west

Saw that yesterday; I was too embarrassed to post it  :'(

hidden meanings? sorry kanye, but if it comes down to "superman dat hoe" or "giving shotguns to medusa in hell"...yea.

[hyp]

kanye's losin' it.   :'(

[Brehvolution]

I like rap feuds because there is usually one less rapper to come out of it.

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j/k I don't condone violence

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[Fresh Prince]

So Soulja Boy is the new Nas 

[Himu]

Edit: http://rapcoalition.org/Rappers%20Don't%20Make%20Loot.htm
(kinda dated but still relevant info; these guys aren't living large at all lol)

Rap is different from other genres in terms of how artists make money. Rock bands usually tour through the summer and do festivals (Ozzfest, Lolipalooza, etc) for instance; they stay on the road and make monies. Touring is how they make a good deal of their money, while the label basically gets $9-10 off every record sold. Add on royalties and popular bands will make good money right?

But with rappers touring often isn't a priority because of low sales/interest. You rarely hear about rappers selling out huge tour spots, or about big rap festivals (Rock the Bells is an exception for instance). It's like they get their advance money and figure fuck it, I'm rich bitch. NOPE. The label owns you because they own your music, and a lot of these guys still don't understand that. 50 Cent may suck as an artist but he knows how the system works and commands money. That might be changing now that his music isn't selling great anymore

Damn PD. All these years I been listening to rap and I didn't know this. Thanks for schoolin me.

[Himu]

ice t's son. 

While Soulja Boy and Ice-T jab back and forth after T claimed Soulja single-handedly kiled hip-hop, Kanye West has come to the defense of the young rapper on his blog.

"Soulja boy is fresh ass hell and is actually the true meaning of what hip hop is sposed to be. He came from the hood, made his own beats, made up a new saying, new sound and a new dance with one song. He had all of America rapping this summer. If that ain’t Hip Hop then what is? A bunch of wannabe keep it real rappers that ain’t even relevant, recycling samples trying to act like it’s 96 again and all they do is hate on new shit? Ni*gas always talk about the golden age but for a 13 year old kid, this is the golden age!!! That song was so dope cause everything he said had a hidden meaning… that’s Nas level sh*t… he just put it over some steel drums which is also some Nas sh*t if you had the 2nd album cassette with the bonus track “Silent Murder” on it. In closing… new distinguished black fellows get ya money$$$$$$$$$$ Keep this sh*t fresh and original…. ain’t no fu*kin’ rules to this sh*t and that’s what real hip hop is to me."

http://www.hiphopgame.com/news.php3?id=2713

SMH @ kanye west

Kanye

man hip hop is a fucking joke now.

RIP

[bork]

Soulja Boy is a 17 year old kid who built his own hype online, made the biggest song of 2007, then went platinum off that one hit. He's making money, who cares. I don't even consider him to be "hip hop" which makes Ice T's claim rather problematic. Honestly, T just embarrassed himself there. Telling a 17 year old kid to eat a dick? That he ruined hip hop? SMH. Soulja Boy didn't ruin shit. What's ruining hip hop is the labels who put a priority on signing ring tone rappers who'll make them quick bucks, then be replaced by the next big one hit wonder.

Soulja Boy was smart enough to make money off his "music" before he signed with Interscope - most of these jokers don't do that - but even that isn't going to save him from being dropped once it's obvious the well is dry. So when the label gives them a $500,000 advance what do they do? Take it out in cash, flaunt it in videos, buy expensive cars, take care of their crew, etc. They still don't realize an advance isn't like being payed by your employer: it has to be paid back eventually. So you sell millions off your ring tone, most of that goes to the label. Your album bombs (hip hop sales are taking a beating now). Your tour sales begin to wane. And you're stuck for the next year trying to come up with another hit to pay off your debt. And when you barely do you're dropped from the label.

So I'm going to agree with Kanye (yuck) on this one.  This KID made his own song and dance to go alongside it.  He got everyone listening and dancing to the song.  Sounds pretty "hip hop" to me, and almost like more a throwback to the stuff from the 80s.  Soulja Boy doesn't come off like a pretend-gangsta, so maybe that's why Ice-T is "pissed."  (He's not, of course...he's just trying to get attention for his new album)  He can say whatever he wants, but the fact is that this "O.G." plays the part of a cop on a TV show. 

Rap feuds are so fucking stupid. 

[Fresh Prince]

Hip-hop started off as Jamaican DJ's way to pump up a crowd i.e. party music anyway. Hip Hop isn't dead it's just that new rappers have become more one dimensional and I guess pop chart orientated. Old rappers like Ice-T, Nas, Jay-Z, KRS-One et al. should stay at home become business men or retire ore become pillars of the black community or whatever and leave rapping to new rappers to 'fuck' up. 

[bork]

Hip-hop started off as Jamaican DJ's way to pump up a crowd i.e. party music anyway. Hip Hop isn't dead it's just that new rappers have become more one dimensional and I guess pop chart orientated. Old rappers like Ice-T, Nas, Jay-Z, KRS-One et al. should stay at home become business men or retire ore become pillars of the black community or whatever and leave rapping to new rappers to 'fuck' up. 

It's always been pop chart-oriented.

[Fresh Prince]

'More'

[bork]

'More'

Don't kid yourself.  If you sign a record deal, your goal is to get to the top of the charts.  The whole image of "keeping it real" and "being from the streets" in rap and the "down to earth, no make-up bullshit" in rock around the early 90s "grunge/gangsta" era that changed everything was pure fucking marketing GENIUS.

[Phoenix Dark]

"Hip hop" arrived in the US during the 60s with the Last Poets. In the 70s DJs began sowing the seeds for the Sugarhill Gang. If you look back far enough the roots really go to Africa, like much music does.

Go back and listen to Rapper's Delight: lyrically it's an originator of the pop, bling bling rap that hip hop purists hate today. Color TV so I can see the Knick's play basketball? Look at Run-DMC pimping Adidas. Hip hop is something that originated (in the US) as a socially consciously branch of spoken word, spread around inner cities as a more urban orientated music, then arrived on the radio as commercial party music.

I'm not knocking the pioneers but people who act like all those artists were on a higher plane than what's out today need to fall back. Just as today there is mainstream and conscious rap, back then there was mainstream (Sugarhill Gang, Kurtis Blow) and conscious rap (Grandmaster Flash). But unlike today, back then even the most mainstream rappers like Big Daddy Kane were pure lyricists and were focused on being the best out. Battle rap wasn't just something that rappers used to create hype for their albums (50 Cent): it was a way of life. Cities/states/neighborhoods had rappers, all of whom were striving to prove they were the greatest. I remember playing basketball at the Rec arguing with people about who was better, Jay or Nas. Imagine being in the 80s arguing who was the best MC, Rakim or Kane 

[BlueTsunami]

I get what your saying PD but Rappers Delight was actually intelligible (and awesome). Soljah Boy and artists like him are just distorting the language so much that it isn't about working with it but completely breaking it and making songs that make absolutely no sense at all.

[Himu]

shaq disses kobe. says he ruined his marriage.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=36871083

[Phoenix Dark]

Slang changes with the times though. Wu Tang stuff features a heavy amount of slang terms but it doesn't effect the quality of the music. Everyone understands the slang of 80s rap now.

My problem with Soulja Boy and the rest of the snap crap is that it's just too generic and rehashes/copies the same shit over and over again. Someone makes a song about leaning back, now everyone makes a song about leaning back. Someone makes a song about snappin fingers, everyone makes a song about it. To put it simply, it's just disposable music: shit people listen to for a few months only to forget about later and move on to the next rehash.

[Fresh Prince]

Hip-Hop-bang-bang-da-boggy-da-boogy-da-bee

Don't kid yourself.  If you sign a record deal, your goal is to get to the top of the charts.  The whole image of "keeping it real" and "being from the streets" in rap and the "down to earth, no make-up bullshit" in rock around the early 90s "grunge/gangsta" era that changed everything was pure fucking marketing GENIUS.

This is never going to get solved but you don't have to go 'pop' to sell well ala Marshall Mathers LP.

Let me define what I think going 'pop' means: RnB collabs, sappy gangsta love themes and club anthems. 

[BlueTsunami]

I miss the days where Ja Rule would actully try to sing. Oh wait, no I don't. I can't believe that shit, I'm happy he got called out for it

And I'm convinced Rap has single handedly destroyed R&B for me. All R&B nowadays seems to need a "Now heres a rapper!" section to the song. I like to keep these genres separate.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I like that Rap Coalition website.

Rap has always had its mindless, made for mainstream music.  This isn't anything new and despite most "purists" think, it did not start with Puff Daddy.  As production became more slick, pop-rap soon resembled boy bands but that doesn't mean that pop-rap did not exist before it.  Much of Def Jam's breakout talent got huge because of their pop tracks.  "Purists" are so obsessed with the underground that they've picked up a pair of rose colored glasses while they were there.

Gangsta rap is not even halfway legitimate and never was.  It was just a new form of made for whitey rebellious music to piss of Mom and Pop.  In the 80s, it was hair metal.  Then grunge music.  Then it moved to rap.  Souljah Boy might not rap about the "streets" and I almost consider that a credit.  So many rappers today think they are Tony Montana.  If they were really legitimate, they would be locked away for manslaughter or murder.  It does happen and the rappers get caught.  Unsurprisingly, there are only a few that managed to get arrested, which means the other 99.9% are lying.  So even though Souljah Boy's lyrics are gibberish, so are most other "gangsta" rappers.

The industry is a vicious place.  50 Cent was smart enough to immediately branch out from the industry.  He (correctly) assumed that if he just stuck to rap, he would wind up in the same place he was years ago.  It is why he invested in other companies, milked G-Unit as hard as he could, and it paid off.  He now has several hundred million dollars and won't have to worry about money again.  He didn't sell out or keep it gangsta.  No, he kept it smart.  It would be humiliating to make a chart topper and then five years live at where they were before, not to keep it real, but because they have no other choice.

[Phoenix Dark]

Exactly. While the 90s saw the rise of extremely slick pop-rap, mainstream party rap was around long before Puff Daddy (who didn't produce most of the shit he's publicly credited with). If anything the 90s period was hyper materialism as "bling bling" and "ice" were introduced to suburban kids.

The "gangsta" rap of that time was also very glossy and poppy, which really defeats the image imo. I think Biggie did a good enough job of walking the thin line between commercial gloss (Big Poppa) and more gangsta-yet-conscious imagery (Everyday Struggle) but even he looks almost comical when compared to the grimy stuff Wu Tang, Mobb Deep, and other "underground" east coast artists were doing at the time. At least Biggie was able to flaunt a believable image of toughness that guys like 50 Cent just can't do imo. Sure 50 sold drugs (with the help of 16yo girls  ) but he comes off so fake, and his music is far too poppy to take seriously.

But perhaps the worst thing about gangsta rap today is the utter lack of any depth to it. The first time I listened to The Infamous I sat back and said damn, why would anyone want to be a gangster? That entire album has a narrative of stress and paranoia that's really impressive. It doesn't glorify the life style as much as it presents it for your exposure, like a cry for help. Today "gangsta" rap goes in the opposite direction and instead relies on the most incendiary lyrics and boasts in order to impress suburban 14 year old white kids. I rarely hear any sincere introspection, fear, or anger today.

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[Fresh Prince]

I find conscious backpackers more annoying, 'Oh my god Immortal Technique\Talib Kweli\Common\Nas'. Fuck if you want to save the world and correct it's wrongs you're not going to do it listening to a record.
Disposable club shit would be fine if they didn't play it all the time.

[bork]

This is never going to get solved but you don't have to go 'pop' to sell well ala Marshall Mathers LP.

Let me define what I think going 'pop' means: RnB collabs, sappy gangsta love themes and club anthems. 

That's nice, except it's all pop music.  ALL OF IT.  The image/marketing they use to say otherwise works quite well, since you clearly think it's not.

[ferrarimanf355]

shaq disses kobe. says he ruined his marriage.

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=36871083

That's awesome, if only because his ass tastes like ass from sitting on the couch the past month or so... 

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Today "gangsta" rap goes in the opposite direction and instead relies on the most incendiary lyrics and boasts in order to impress suburban 14 year old white kids. I rarely hear any sincere introspection, fear, or anger today.

There is no introspection because they were never there doing the things they are talking about.  Most gangsta rap consumers (white kids) have no idea and will typically swallow whatever they say whole.  If all these rappers did half the shootings they claimed they did, it would be worse than World War II.

Selling to whitey has been the aim of rap since Russell Simmons.  He admitted that most of his customers were white.  Banging gangsta rap out of the family Chevy Suburban when you are a teen is a perfect way to piss off your God fearing, white collar parents.

I find conscious backpackers more annoying, 'Oh my god Immortal Technique\Talib Kweli\Common\Nas'. Fuck if you want to save the world and correct it's wrongs you're not going to do it listening to a record.
Disposable club shit would be fine if they didn't play it all the time.

I agree with this.  Especially Nas, who seems to be putting out half assed efforts in the past few years.