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Google must divulge YouTube log
« on: July 03, 2008, 12:06:07 PM »
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Google must divulge the viewing habits of every user who has ever watched any video on YouTube, a US court has ruled.

The ruling comes as part of Google's legal battle with Viacom over allegations of copyright infringement.

Digital rights group the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) called the ruling a "set-back to privacy rights".

The viewing log, which will be handed to Viacom, contains the log-in ID of users, the computer IP address (online identifier) and video clip details.

While the legal battle between the two firms is being contested in the US, it is thought the ruling will apply to YouTube users and their viewing habits everywhere.

Viacom, which owns MTV and Paramount Pictures, has alleged that YouTube is guilty of massive copyright infringement.

The UK's Premier League association is also seeking class action status with Viacom on the issue, alledging YouTube has been used to watch football highlights.

Legal action

When it initiated legal action in March 2007 Viacom said it had identified about 160,000 unauthorised clips of its programmes on the website, which had been viewed more than 1.5 billion times.

Following the launch of its billion-dollar lawsuit, YouTube introduced filtering tools in an effort to prevent copyright materials from appearing on the site.

   We urge Viacom to back off this overbroad request
Electronic Frontier Foundation

The US court declined Viacom's request that Google be forced to hand over the source code of YouTube, saying it was a "trade secret" that should not be disclosed.

But it said privacy concerns expressed by Google about handing over the log were "speculative".

The ruling will see the viewing habits of millions of YouTube users given to Viacom, totalling more than 12 terabytes of data.

Viacom said it wanted the data to "compare the attractiveness of allegedly infringing video with that of non-infringing videos."

'Erroneous ruling'

The EFF said: "The Court's erroneous ruling is a set-back to privacy rights, and will allow Viacom to see what you are watching on YouTube.

"We urge Viacom to back off this overbroad request and Google to take all steps necessary to challenge this order and protect the rights of its users."

The body said the ruling was also potentially unlawful because the log data did contain personally identifiable data.

The court also ruled that Google disclose to Viacom the details of all videos that have been removed from the site for any reason.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/technology/7488009.stm
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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2008, 12:10:31 PM »
Fuck that shit

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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2008, 12:11:15 PM »
That shit, fuck it.
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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2008, 12:12:23 PM »
un-fucking-believable




To what purpose is Viacom going to use this info?  Checking out people who uploaded videos that were/are copyrighted?  Fuck all these companies.
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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2008, 12:14:48 PM »
Seriously, fuck this.

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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2008, 12:24:41 PM »
Glad Viacom won this.
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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2008, 12:25:57 PM »
is viacom goinng to start going after people that uploaded things now or what?

makes me never want to create an account anywhere again

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Glad Viacom won this.
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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2008, 12:26:39 PM »
Glad Viacom won this.
Are you a contrarian or is there reasoning behind this?
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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2008, 12:27:45 PM »
Wilco is jewish, that's the only way to comprehend his position.

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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2008, 12:28:21 PM »
Wilco is jewish, that's the only way to comprehend his position.

antisemitism?
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« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2008, 12:29:03 PM »
Wilco is jewish, that's the only way to comprehend his position.

antisemitism?


Chill dude, its a joke.

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« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2008, 12:30:13 PM »
Glad Viacom won this.
Are you a contrarian or is there reasoning behind this?

Hoping its a joke. I did laugh when I scrolled quickly through the replies and got his that broke the consensus thus far.  :dur
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« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2008, 12:31:48 PM »
Wilco is jewish, that's the only way to comprehend his position.

antisemitism?


Chill dude, its a joke.

if we play your response backwords we get

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« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2008, 12:32:30 PM »
 :lol :lol :lol

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« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2008, 12:50:35 PM »
Didn't some legislature pass last year that gave them the rights to view all online activities of every internet user anyways?

No fucking surprise that it was Viacom, though.
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« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2008, 01:46:40 PM »
the wild wild west days of the internet are coming to an end.

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« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2008, 01:59:02 PM »
Ehhhhh, I'm kind of pissed that Google/Youtube logged that much information.  I mean, Youtube is obviously offering in a legal grey area--why go to the effort to carefully log all the shadiness when they really didn't have any compelling reason to?  There was no legal mandate to keep permanent logs of viewing histories or anything like that.  Even most private companies don't keep permanent, indefinite logs of various activities, for this very reason--lawyers.  Google/Youtube fucked up bigtime, there.
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« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2008, 02:02:50 PM »
Now Viacom will know that TVC spent the majority of his time on YouTube look at Nick Cave music videos and uploads flagged with the keywords of "sodomy" and "incest".
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« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2008, 02:06:20 PM »
Now Viacom will know that TVC spent the majority of his time on YouTube look at Nick Cave music videos and uploads flagged with the keywords of "sodomy" and "incest".

Viacom is apparently uninterested in going after individuals.  They want to know what the overall ratio of legal to illegal content viewed on YouTube in so they can figure out exactly how much money Google owes them.  Bigger fish to fry than going after individuals.
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« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2008, 02:07:31 PM »
I have on good authority that they're going to come after you!

They need to make an example.
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« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2008, 02:08:49 PM »
I have on good authority that they're going to come after you!

They need to make an example.

I don't think Viacom is RIAA dumb!  Anyway, it's not illegal to watch content posted on YouTube, although I bet Viacom wishes it were.
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« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2008, 02:10:03 PM »
YouTube was dead long before this.  All hail Hulu!
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« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2008, 02:13:06 PM »
I really want to see the number Viacom comes up with for legal vs. illegal content viewing numbers.  If it is sufficiently terrible, and it just might be, Google will be sued into non-existence by media company after media company.  I think Viacom would be the biggest though, what with the whole music video thing.
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« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2008, 02:13:55 PM »
GOOGLE IS DEAD.
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« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2008, 04:00:59 PM »
I thought Youtube insta-banned any copyrighted material starting like 2 years ago. At least, that's when I stopped visiting daily.

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« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2008, 04:21:29 PM »
wow - what the fukk am i gonna watch on apple tv now?


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« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2008, 06:39:54 PM »
Oh well, Youtube sucks now.

A couple years ago, it was where you could find almost everything.  Today, now we have 1000 videos of 14 year old girls singing "Fergalicious" but with their own name, vloggers posting shit that unless the vlogger is a female, nobody will ever watch, unless it is by accident, and propaganda videos.
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« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2008, 06:45:02 PM »
Not surprising. That old age media giant and Viacom prez Sumner Redstone is very anti new media. 

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« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2008, 07:35:30 PM »
I always wondered why the fuck Google bought YouTube.  It's probably the same class of dumb as buying Yahoo.  We've always known that YouTube would end with a massive lawsuit, and the the good days were limited, but Google figured it was smart to buy into not only those problems, but YouTube's inability to even turn a profit.  The only feasible reason I could see for Google buying them is to make themselves seem cool. 
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« Reply #30 on: July 03, 2008, 07:43:59 PM »
Great, now a bunch of fucking big wigs will know I watch a ton of booty videos.
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« Reply #31 on: July 03, 2008, 07:52:05 PM »
B O O T A Y
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« Reply #32 on: July 03, 2008, 09:39:47 PM »
If they want to make money off of something like that, there has to be some titties and dicks involved.
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« Reply #33 on: July 04, 2008, 12:41:46 AM »
Spank Rock :bow2

But seriously, fuck this shit is right.  I really hope this gets thrown out, Viacom has no need for or right to get this much information.

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« Reply #34 on: July 04, 2008, 12:58:04 AM »
If they want to make money off of something like that, there has to be some titties and dicks involved.

well how else do you think 'google' became a verb?
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« Reply #35 on: July 04, 2008, 02:31:55 AM »
I always wondered why the fuck Google bought YouTube.  It's probably the same class of dumb as buying Yahoo.  We've always known that YouTube would end with a massive lawsuit, and the the good days were limited, but Google figured it was smart to buy into not only those problems, but YouTube's inability to even turn a profit.  The only feasible reason I could see for Google buying them is to make themselves seem cool. 

You'd have bought YouTube in a cocaine heartbeat if you had Google's money. All web businesses are haunted by the knowledge that they could be wiped out practically overnight by the appearance of a marginally more competitive service. Google has to do something to keep riding that wave, and turn that massive stock market equity into assets while it can. AOL is in big trouble, but imagine how bad a position it would be in without the TimeWarner deal. It was a terrible deal in an absolute sense, but compared to the alternative (watching its own stock fall away to nothing) it turned out ok for them. Now at least they're attached to something that is making money.
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« Reply #36 on: July 04, 2008, 02:37:35 AM »
I always wondered why the fuck Google bought YouTube.  It's probably the same class of dumb as buying Yahoo.  We've always known that YouTube would end with a massive lawsuit, and the the good days were limited, but Google figured it was smart to buy into not only those problems, but YouTube's inability to even turn a profit.  The only feasible reason I could see for Google buying them is to make themselves seem cool. 

You'd have bought YouTube in a cocaine heartbeat if you had Google's money. All web businesses are haunted by the knowledge that they could be wiped out practically overnight by the appearance of a marginally more competitive service. Google has to do something to keep riding that wave, and turn that massive stock market equity into assets while it can. AOL is in big trouble, but imagine how bad a position it would be in without the TimeWarner deal. It was a terrible deal in an absolute sense, but compared to the alternative (watching its own stock fall away to nothing) it turned out ok for them. Now at least they're attached to something that is making money.

No I wouldn't have.  YouTube is obviously a legal beehive and it's going to cost Google to the tune of billions.  It was an absolutely distinguished mentally-challenged purchase.  They bought a website that was basically blatantly doing something illegal (and wasn't even profiting).  They had to have known they'd have to pay the piper eventually.  It probably would have made more sense legally to start www.buyheroinonline.com.

Also, YouTube is still not currently profitable, despite the ads.
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« Reply #37 on: July 04, 2008, 03:06:17 AM »
Google Videos was doing exactly the same thing before they bought Youtube! It was just less successful. They believed in the concept, and they had a giant pile of equity that had to be invested in growth (in a business that offered some form of synergy - which means a web-based business...) to satisfy the shareholders. The alternative is watching their stock decline, after which their leverage to buy anything declines. 

Google paid about $1.65 billion in stock (not cash) for Youtube. In the subsequent 2 weeks, their own stock increased in value by $22 billion. It's always impossible to say exactly why the stock rose, but it sure looks to me like the market liked the move, and wanted Google to keep doing similar things. If they buy more companies like Youtube while their stock is up, their purchases are essentially cheaper. If the market likes those moves, the stock rises again. It's a positive cycle, and they were just trying to ride the wave. They'll crash eventually, but the Youtube deal on its own isn't nearly enough to bring them down from where they are right now.
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« Reply #38 on: July 04, 2008, 03:26:22 AM »
I dunno.  I think Viacom's figure is going to be in the billions.  Buying a company with massive, massive, obvious legal troubles to the extent YouTube has is just note a wise decision.  I guess we'll see what happens down the line, and what Viacom says. 

Look at it this way, at 150k a pop (as is the most rcent, I believe figure per infringement), this single video - - can be argued as being $795,146,100,000 dollars in fines against google.  And this video isn't even popular.  I am sure Viacom will cut a deal, but even still, google is fucked.  They are incredibly stupid for willingly walking, and paying for the right to walk, into this minefield.

(Note that I said could be argued probably a ton of different ways. Not stating a definite fact--I am sure Google will be offered some deal along the line, because otherwise, this case will undoubtedly destroy the company.  Also note that there is more than one copy of this video up there, so it could feasibly be even worse.)
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« Reply #39 on: July 04, 2008, 03:40:47 AM »
I was talking with a friend at dinner tonight who is good at internet company.

We both basically were saying and agreeing what Keith is saying - Google buying YouTube was dumb dumb dumb, because YouTube was such an obvious multi-billion dollar lawsuit not only waiting to happen, but to be easily won. smh @ google
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« Reply #40 on: July 04, 2008, 03:44:59 AM »
Maybe I'm not being clear enough: Google was, and is, playing with house money. Youtube was better than free to them; it boosted their stock by $22 billion. They can settle with Viacom like you or I would pay a parking ticket.
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« Reply #41 on: July 04, 2008, 03:46:10 AM »
yeah, I got that, but I honestly think that the ultimate damages are going to come out to significantly more than that $22 billion

Google is going to be fucked into the ground
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« Reply #42 on: July 04, 2008, 03:47:59 AM »
Maybe I'm not being clear enough: Google was, and is, playing with house money. Youtube was better than free to them; it boosted their stock by $22 billion. They can settle with Viacom like you or I would pay a parking ticket.

You think Google has 800 billion dollars?  That is at least 4 times their market cap.  Off one video.  (according to wiki, their market cap is US$ 179.07 Billion (2008))

As I said, I am sure this will be settled, but Google is going to end up someone's bitch.  I guess Viacom is the most likely candidate.
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« Reply #43 on: July 04, 2008, 03:50:17 AM »
it's true that there will be a settlement, but I can't imagine Viacom settling for less than $10 billion. Which is still probably pennies per video view.

then the other companies will begin their pileon.

plus there will be a clause about profit sharing future videos. probably a general percentage of future video views a la ASCAP because math is hard.

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« Reply #44 on: July 04, 2008, 03:55:50 AM »
Viacom's market cap is currently $18.77 billion. Google could have just bought them! (google's current cap is way back down however). But at that point, it was an easy purchase.

There is about as much danger of this crushing Google as there was of the anti-monopoly laws ending Microsoft. They have too much money and too many lawyers for it to happen. $800 billion is absurd; the most predatory of lawyers couldn't sue for such a sum with a straight face. Besides, the current lawsuit is only for $1billion. Obviously they can settle for much less if things look sticky.
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« Reply #45 on: July 04, 2008, 03:58:11 AM »
Google is facing antitrust scrutiny due to the deal they made with Yahoo (which I do not know much about).  Becoming Viacom's bitch, which appears to be one of a few likely outcomes now, would probably help them out in that regard.

Nothing is open and shut here.  This is all new territory.  This reveals the idiocy of US copyright laws.  This is all unpredictable, but Google could possible be in more trouble than MS ever was.  They made a terrible decision and now they have to eat their feces-filled pie.

Buying YouTube may have made stock sense, but by the same token, funding Jose the Pimp and Crack Dealer down the street would have made me awesome money.  I just wouldn't put it on my tax return like Google chose to.
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« Reply #46 on: July 04, 2008, 04:07:44 AM »
Oh, let's not get melodramatic. Google isn't dealing crack or pimping anyone out. Neither is Viacom out to 'crush' them or 'make them their bitch'. They want some of the pie, that's all. At the risk of mixing metaphors, they don't want to kill the goose that lays the golden egg. Viacom doesn't have the broad reach of Youtube so it can't compete directly. They want part of the profits perhaps, but that's hard to claim if Youtube still isn't profitable! Worst-case scenario: Big fine for Google that they pay with their monopoly money stock gains, they have to walk away from the Youtube business. It wasn't making money for them anyway so how does that leave them fucked, fucked, fucked? 
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« Reply #47 on: July 04, 2008, 04:09:10 AM »
But YouTube isn't a golden egg, even with Google's coffers and tech.  It's never turned a profit, which is why nobody bothered to really go after them until Google (who DOES have money) bought them. 

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It wasn't making money for them anyway so how does that leave them fucked, fucked, fucked? 

Because Viacom and other media companies can go after them for billions and billions of dollars that they do not have?  Remember, there are many more media companies than Viacom, and once they get their cheque, the rest will come.
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« Reply #48 on: July 04, 2008, 04:38:32 AM »
Well, if they don't want a slice of the business, what do they want? That just leaves money and/or Youtube to stop showing their stuff.

Again, the worst-case scenario is that Google pays a big fine and walks away from the dying wreck of Youtube. You're right in saying that this is new territory so it's obviously pure speculation for any of us non-copyright lawyers to guess what will happen after the results of the suit come out (and the inevitable years of appeals) but still I don't see anything worse than a settlement that they can afford to pay. (Obviously, most copyright lawyers would only be speculating too...but you can bet Google has some pretty good ones on the payroll, and consulted with them prior to the acquisition).
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« Reply #49 on: July 04, 2008, 04:41:48 AM »
The worst case scenario is that Google goes bankrupt, not that they pay a fine.  Again, one decently viewed music video is enough to shut Google down completely.  It is much mor elikely that Viacom wants to make them their bitch.  Google fucked up HUGE here.

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but I can't imagine Viacom settling for less than $10 billion

they are suing for $1 Billion.... so ... i can see them settling for less than $1 Billion....

or am i missing something here?


Viacom is free to change their numbers before this goes to court.  Which it will.  One REM video from 1991 is enough to completely bankrupt Google.  What do you think they will try to do?

I'd also imagine that Viacom will have to take a considerable amount of time to accurately parse the data.  It is approximately 12TB of text.
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« Reply #50 on: July 04, 2008, 04:49:05 AM »
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The worst case scenario is that Google goes bankrupt, not that they pay a fine.  Again, one decently viewed music video is enough to shut Google down completely.  It is much mor elikely that Viacom wants to make them their bitch.  Google fucked up HUGE here.

curious question : the copyright value you are basing this off isn't coming from the RIAA's antics vs. individuals is it?

No, it is based off the current US law's definition of 150k per violation.

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What do you think they will try to do?

sue for $1 Billion and try to cut a deal going forward and try and use Youtube as a profit engine?


That would be "Making Google their bitch."  They will have enough ammo to do a lot of damage to google here.  Worst case is that Google ends up owned by Viacom.
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« Reply #51 on: July 04, 2008, 05:09:33 AM »
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No, it is based off the current US law's definition of 150k per violation.

I'd check what that relates to, from my copyrighting days, i'd doubt that extends to the internet.

This is why it's something of a gray area.   Google is definitely doing something massively illegal, but how illegal is it, really? 

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They will have enough ammo to do a lot of damage to google here.  Worst case is that Google ends up owned by Viacom.

we shall see, i expect this to result in Viacom striking a slightly better deal than the other content providers, and taking a settlement.

Well, this sort of thing is anyone's guess, but keep in mind that based on 1 10+ year old music video, Viacom has enough ammo to bankrupt all of Google completely.  Google is in huge trouble right now.  Google did something extremely distinguished mentally-challenged here.
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« Reply #52 on: July 04, 2008, 05:21:34 AM »
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Well, this sort of thing is anyone's guess, but keep in mind that based on 1 10+ year old music video, Viacom has enough ammo to bankrupt all of Google completely.  Google is in huge trouble right now.  Google did something extremely distinguished mentally-challenged here.

as long as they complied with any removal requests, i think they are protected.

I don't think google is in trouble, certainly not to the extent people think.

I think they are in huge trouble.  They definitely at least tried to comply, but they obviously did not succeed.

Google PAID for the pleasure of buying into a giant legal mess here, obvious even to the most non-distinguished mentally-challenged downs babies.  This isn't an opinion, it's a fact.  Google has made deals with very few people concerning copyrighted content.

I'm hoping for the worst.  The death of Google would be good news, and I am hoping Viacom puts the pedal to the metal.  People rallying around an ADVERTISEMENT COMPANY is distinguished mentally-challenged.
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« Reply #53 on: July 04, 2008, 05:48:32 AM »
Wow, such drama has unfolded while I took the train home!

Google is now about to be bankrupted because of an old REM video  :lol
- come on now, every single user agreed not to do this stuff when they signed up, and Youtube has and continues to take stuff down promptly when notified. They can fight this for sure.

TVC, as I said already, Google were in this business before they bought Youtube. I'm sure before they pulled the trigger, they weighed the risk of lawsuits against the risk of Youtube becoming bigger than THEM and decided which was worse. I'm not a google fanboy or anything, I'm just interested in the business side of this (which would be a lot easier to discuss without all the histrionics and table-pounding).



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Re: Google must divulge YouTube log
« Reply #54 on: July 04, 2008, 05:52:56 AM »
Google is now about to be bankrupted because of an old REM video  :lol
- come on now, every single user agreed not to do this stuff when they signed up, and Youtube has and continues to take stuff down promptly when notified. They can fight this for sure.

I chose an old video to show the severity of the situation.  If an incredibly old video has that many hits, well, Google has no chance.  That one, olkd, REM video can bankrupt google.  Want to know what happens when we incorporate Soulja Boy?  It gets nuclear.

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TVC, as I said already, Google were in this business before they bought Youtube. I'm sure before they pulled the trigger, they weighed the risk of lawsuits against the risk of Youtube becoming bigger than THEM and decided which was worse. I'm not a google fanboy or anything, I'm just interested in the business side of this (which would be a lot easier to discuss without all the histrionics and table-pounding).

They surely did some sort of weighing, but it's always been fairly obvious they didn't take the legal quagmire of YouTube very seriously.  There's never been a good reason for a huge, legal, giant company to touch YouTube.  It's legal syphilis.  Google made a big booboo worse than MS ever did.
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Re: Google must divulge YouTube log
« Reply #55 on: July 04, 2008, 06:17:08 AM »
It will also be interesting to see where the current copyright infringement semantics will lead, and what it will mean for google. The current pending lawsuits against The Pirate Bay are all phrased with "facilitating copyright infringement" as the offense, since it's a search engine. As you all know, regular Google searches work fairly well for finding torrent links as well. As I linked earlier, the upcoming G8 meeting will discuss the "Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement" (ACTA), which includes a clause that would force countries to "criminalize services that may facilitate copyright infringement, even if not for profit". Combined with some delicious traffic data monitoring, this could lead to at the very least a limitation of basic search engine function. Also, there is the rampant filesharing going on over standard IM protocols to consider.
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Re: Google must divulge YouTube log
« Reply #56 on: July 04, 2008, 06:46:06 AM »
Google is now about to be bankrupted because of an old REM video  :lol
- come on now, every single user agreed not to do this stuff when they signed up, and Youtube has and continues to take stuff down promptly when notified. They can fight this for sure.

I chose an old video to show the severity of the situation.  If an incredibly old video has that many hits, well, Google has no chance.  That one, olkd, REM video can bankrupt google.  Want to know what happens when we incorporate Soulja Boy?  It gets nuclear.

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TVC, as I said already, Google were in this business before they bought Youtube. I'm sure before they pulled the trigger, they weighed the risk of lawsuits against the risk of Youtube becoming bigger than THEM and decided which was worse. I'm not a google fanboy or anything, I'm just interested in the business side of this (which would be a lot easier to discuss without all the histrionics and table-pounding).

They surely did some sort of weighing, but it's always been fairly obvious they didn't take the legal quagmire of YouTube very seriously.  There's never been a good reason for a huge, legal, giant company to touch YouTube.  It's legal syphilis.  Google made a big booboo worse than MS ever did.

OK, there's not a single thing in here you haven't said already, and that I haven't responded to. Time to let this die before we descend into violence :lol
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Re: Google must divulge YouTube log
« Reply #57 on: July 04, 2008, 03:48:05 PM »
wow, i didnt think TVC was this raving mad.

Are you, by any chance, the Denis Dyack to the immensly popular and successful Neogaffish Google?
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Re: Google must divulge YouTube log
« Reply #58 on: July 04, 2008, 03:56:25 PM »
What's mad about it?  It was stupid for Google to buy a giant liability, and they may very well have to pay for it.  Taking a short term gain while not thinking long term is a bad business move.  It's a bad move in anything, not just business.
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Re: Google must divulge YouTube log
« Reply #59 on: July 04, 2008, 04:47:00 PM »
I doubt Google is going to pay out a large sum to Viacom.

I could see the payout being somewhere between $50 and $500 million.  The $150,000 per claim is obviously bullshit and nobody, not even the most corporatist judge, would allow that to happen.  This would be a large payout but Google nevertheless will survive.

I do think that buying out Youtube was a bad idea.  It was a purchase that hoped would give them a lot of money, hoping that vlogging, not piracy, was the biggest reason people went to Youtube.  For a bunch of hip creators, Google forgot why most people even bothered going on the internet in the first place.
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