Author Topic: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me... (Read 10843 times)

Human Snorenado · « **on:** July 12, 2008, 10:44:21 PM »

Just sayin!

Bocsius · « **Reply #1 on:** July 12, 2008, 10:46:07 PM »

Who has time to pay attention to politics in July? Primary season over => checkout => wake me in November.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #2 on:** July 12, 2008, 10:49:13 PM »

Quote from: Bocsius on July 12, 2008, 10:46:07 PM

Who has time to pay attention to politics in July? Primary season over => checkout => wake me in November.

The funny thing is, I HAVE been paying less attention since Obama wrapped up the nom nom nom in the first week of June. Haven't been watching cable news or even really reading shit on the internets, then one day I perk up my ears again and all I'm hearing is "blah blah blah faith based initiatives blah blah blah telecom immunity is great blah blah blah marriage is between a man and a woman only blah blah blah". It's unfortunate.

Mandark · « **Reply #3 on:** July 12, 2008, 10:52:45 PM »

I think his swerve to the middle has been kind of overrated, except for FISA. That seems to be one case where he had committed himself to the liberal position then backed off.

The other stuff comes from his statements about SCOTUS decisions and the breathless hyperparsing of his Iraq position.

Oh, and the Jason Furman appointment.

Bocsius · « **Reply #4 on:** July 12, 2008, 10:53:11 PM »

As far as I can recall, Obama has opposed gay marriage from the beginning in favor of civil unions or something, or am I wrong?

Don't get me wrong, I've seen the headlines on the news channels talking about a shift to the center (and Jesse Jackson apparently wanting to fondle Obama's nuts) while hanging out on the elliptical at the gym, but I can't really seem to care. The race begins at the first debate.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #5 on:** July 12, 2008, 11:15:37 PM »

Mandark · « **Reply #6 on:** July 12, 2008, 11:40:16 PM »

Nathan Newman says Obama's running a populist campaign and people haven't noticed.

His argument is that the netroots are obsessed with boutique issues and give short shrift to economic justice issues which affect a lot more people and should be the core of a progressive platform.

It comes a bit close to lecturing other people on what their priorities should be (huge pet peeve of mine) but I think he avoids it.

APF · « **Reply #7 on:** July 12, 2008, 11:40:55 PM »

I agree with Mandark. Obama was always this weak a candidate; it's only, now that he has a less powerful opponent people are starting to remember how crappy he is.

Maybe he'll give us a lecture on building people up in our minds only to be struck by reality

TVC15 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 12, 2008, 11:50:53 PM »

Quote from: APF on July 12, 2008, 11:40:55 PM

I agree with Mandark. Obama was always this weak a candidate; it's only, now that he has a less powerful opponent people are starting to remember how crappy he is.

Maybe he'll give us a lecture on building people up in our minds only to be struck by reality

I agree. Let's vote for Ann Coulter instead.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #9 on:** July 12, 2008, 11:54:23 PM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on July 12, 2008, 11:50:53 PM

Quote from: APF on July 12, 2008, 11:40:55 PM
I agree with Mandark. Obama was always this weak a candidate; it's only, now that he has a less powerful opponent people are starting to remember how crappy he is.

Maybe he'll give us a lecture on building people up in our minds only to be struck by reality

I agree. Let's vote for Ann Coulter instead.

I know why you want to vote for Ann Coulter...

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It's the Adam's Apple, isn't it?

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TVC15 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 12, 2008, 11:57:10 PM »

stfu triumph. She is a TRUE PATRIOT. Like Solid Snake. She even has her own eye rollingly terrible graveyard scene:

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #11 on:** July 13, 2008, 12:04:55 AM »

True story: the Congressional Cemetery in DC is also a dog park. Which means that you can take your pooch to piss on J. Edgar Hoover's grave and it's totally legal.

laesperanzapaz · « **Reply #12 on:** July 13, 2008, 12:07:26 AM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on July 12, 2008, 11:57:10 PM

stfu triumph. She is a TRUE PATRIOT. Like Solid Snake. She even has her own eye rollingly terrible graveyard scene:

(Image removed from quote.)

if only she fell into the grave upon which she stands

ToxicAdam · « **Reply #13 on:** July 13, 2008, 12:12:17 AM »

You were always a closeted-Nadar guy anyways. You just got swept up in the mysoginistic, Obama-mania that swept GAF.

Mandark · « **Reply #14 on:** July 13, 2008, 12:15:03 AM »

Quote from: The Card Cheat on July 13, 2008, 12:04:55 AM

True story: the Congressional Cemetery in DC is also a dog park. Which means that you can take your pooch to piss on J. Edgar Hoover's grave and it's totally legal.

I'm pretty sure you have to have a special permit for your dog and that it costs money (as either an official fee or a wink-wink donation system).

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #15 on:** July 13, 2008, 12:19:07 AM »

I'm keeping it cool with the Obama news lately, but FISA does piss me off. I just think a lot of the centralist viewpoints he's taken is just to try and sway some of the, well, centralist thinkers in the first place.

I think that's a wrong path to take (he really didn't need those voters anyway), but I can sorta understand why.

At this point, I've heard the man myself in person, I've read his books, and despite his questionable decisions lately, I still like the guy enough to vote for him in November. He's simply the better candidate and the guy out there now who can probably get the job done.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #16 on:** July 13, 2008, 12:23:26 AM »

its just a shame people all hot n bothered about GAFs obama love project on evilbore.

GilloD · « **Reply #17 on:** July 13, 2008, 09:53:24 AM »

I'm with you. The FISA switcheroo had me. Were you ever at a party and there's an ugly girl in the room and for just, like, 15 seconds you think "Well, maybe". That was McCain and I for a day or so.

Powerslave · « **Reply #18 on:** July 13, 2008, 09:56:47 AM »

Quote from: laesperanzapaz on July 13, 2008, 12:07:26 AM

Quote from: TVC 15 on July 12, 2008, 11:57:10 PM
stfu triumph. She is a TRUE PATRIOT. Like Solid Snake. She even has her own eye rollingly terrible graveyard scene:

(Image removed from quote.)
if only she fell into the grave upon which she stands

The grave isn't open, they filled it up already a long time ago, so if she would fall she would fall onto grass.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #19 on:** July 13, 2008, 10:27:59 AM »

Quote from: Mandark on July 13, 2008, 12:15:03 AM

Quote from: The Card Cheat on July 13, 2008, 12:04:55 AM
True story: the Congressional Cemetery in DC is also a dog park. Which means that you can take your pooch to piss on J. Edgar Hoover's grave and it's totally legal.

I'm pretty sure you have to have a special permit for your dog and that it costs money (as either an official fee or a wink-wink donation system).

I dunno, I have friends who go all the time and they don't have a permit or anything. I'll ask them next time I talk to them.

Gillo: I'd never go that far. I am tempted to vote for Ralph again but what I'll probably end up doing is just not doing any more volunteer work for Obama and then hold my nose and vote for him. He's definitely lost any "special" vibe for a lot of people with this recent shit. He can probably still end up being a pretty good President, but he's just another politician now for me.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #20 on:** July 13, 2008, 11:34:41 AM »

Obama wants to get elected. I don't think he's made the gratuitous shift the media is portraying (mainly Iraq, which the media is being shockingly manipulative about with respect to Obama's "switch"). If anything he's basically just telling the far left liberals he forgot to bring back candy from his business trip, but next time he'll bring it and everything will be ok.

I've heard that FISA was the death trap he avoided, but honestly do people care about FISA enough to be fooled by republican scare tactics? I don't know

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #21 on:** July 13, 2008, 11:48:22 AM »

You guys clearly arent changing enough for hope. Er.. I mean hoping enough for change.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #22 on:** July 13, 2008, 11:55:17 AM »

The onion article about the guy wandering america asking for change was hilarious.

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CHICAGO—According to witnesses, a loud black man approached a crowd of some 4,000 strangers in downtown Chicago Tuesday and made repeated demands for change.

"The time for change is now," said the black guy, yelling at everyone within earshot for 20 straight minutes, practically begging America for change. "The need for change is stronger and more urgent than ever before. And only you—the people standing here today, and indeed all the people of this great nation—only you can deliver this change."

"I've already seen this guy four times today," Chicago-area ad salesman Blake Gordon said. "Every time, it's the same exact spiel. 'I need change.' 'I want change.' Why's he so eager for all this change? What's he going to do with it, anyway?"

After his initial requests for change, the black man rambled nonstop on a variety of unrelated topics, calling for affordable health care, demanding that the government immediately begin withdrawing troops from Iraq, and proposing a $75 billion economic stimulus plan to create new jobs.

"What a wacko," Schaumburg, IL resident Patrick Morledge said. "And, of course, after telling us all about how he had the ability to magically fix everything, he went right back to asking for change. Typical."

"If he's really looking for change, he's got the wrong guy," Morledge added.

Reports indicate that the black man has been riding from city to city across the country, asking for change wherever he goes. Citizens in Austin, TX said they spotted the same guy standing on the street Friday, shouting far-fetched ideas about global warming. Cleveland residents also reported seeing him in a local park, wildly gesticulating and quoting from the Bible. And last week, patrons at the Starlight Diner in Cheyenne, WY claimed that the black man accosted them while they were eating, repeatedly requesting change.

"I saw him walk in and I knew he was headed straight for our table," said mother of three Gladys Davies. "He just stood there smiling at us for a while, and asked how our food tasted. Then he went and did the same thing at the next table over. The nerve of some people."

Those who encountered the black man Tuesday said he engaged in erratic behavior, including pointing at random people in the crowd and desperately saying he needs their help, going up to complete strangers and hugging them, and angrily claiming that he is not looking for just a little bit of change, but rather a great deal of change, and that he wants it "right now."

"I'll be honest, when that black guy said he would 'stop at nothing' to get change, it kind of scared me," local mechanic Phil Nighbert said. "Just leave me alone."

Though many were taken aback by the black man's brazen demands, some, such as Jackson, MS's Holly Moser, sympathized with him. She gave the black man credit for boldly standing up and asking every last person around him for change.

"I told him I'd give him some if I saw him later, even though I probably won't," Moser said. "Very nice man, though."

Most, however, ignored his requests.

"I'm a hardworking American who pays his taxes, and the last thing I need is some guy on the street demanding change from me," said William Overkamp, a Springfield, IL gun-shop owner.

He added, "What he really needs is a job."

I still like Obama as a candidate, and I think on some level I liked Hillary as a candidate as well, but thats all it can ever be. Ill never 100% fall in line with a candidate or agree with everything they do, or ill end up like those people at GAF stumbling after Obama. I'll vote for Obama because I agree with him most of the time. I dont live under some false idea that he will always do what I want or think because the world isnt about me. Not only will he make good changes that arent about me, but he will no doubt make a few bad changes that arent about me.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #23 on:** July 13, 2008, 12:08:42 PM »

obama is translating persona 5-7 as we speak

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #24 on:** July 13, 2008, 12:09:06 PM »

100% agree with the above.

Politicians make mistakes. They do things that are questionable–none of them are perfect. Obama's shift is noted, but honestly, it's probably not as big a deal as some of you are making it out to be. It's not like he was hiding this all along. He's still the candidate I believe in and the person I'll be voting for. To NOT vote for him mainly because of the summer snooze pre-election coverage is jumping the gun, I think.

Powerslave · « **Reply #25 on:** July 13, 2008, 12:15:30 PM »

Quote from: BrandNew on July 13, 2008, 12:09:06 PM

100% agree with the above.

heh

siamesedreamer · « **Reply #26 on:** July 13, 2008, 12:27:08 PM »

Get back to me when he starts moving right on his economic policies.

Besides FISA, all the other stuff is just noise.

APF · « **Reply #27 on:** July 13, 2008, 01:28:21 PM »

I'm just happy a lot of people are coming around to where I was months and months ago re: Obama, shallow and meaningless rhetoric, dancing in the wind, etc; I don't know why I get so much crap for being pretty on point, but only much sooner than everyone else.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #28 on:** July 13, 2008, 01:29:59 PM »

For as much as you 'fight the brainwashed masses' you come off as polarized. I laugh at most of your posts.

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #29 on:** July 13, 2008, 01:36:48 PM »

Quote from: APF on July 13, 2008, 01:28:21 PM

I'm just happy a lot of people are coming around to where I was months and months ago re: Obama, shallow and meaningless rhetoric, dancing in the wind, etc; I don't know why I get so much crap for being pretty on point, but only much sooner than everyone else.

If you're wanting some sort of asslicking, you may as well look somewhere else. You're still, well, wrong.

laesperanzapaz · « **Reply #30 on:** July 13, 2008, 02:24:59 PM »

Quote from: APF on July 13, 2008, 01:28:21 PM

I'm just happy a lot of people are coming around to where I was months and months ago re: Obama, shallow and meaningless rhetoric, dancing in the wind, etc; I don't know why I get so much crap for being pretty on point, but only much sooner than everyone else.

lol not really

as a side note: I dont have a problem at all with people who choose not to vote for Obama.

What I don't understand [well actually I do understand, but the logic behind the decision is neanderthal] is people who have supported ex-candidates Romney and Brownback. Unless you watch Fox news religiously, in which case that solves the question

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #31 on:** July 13, 2008, 03:20:46 PM »

i'd rather have Romney running the economy than McCain!

laesperanzapaz · « **Reply #32 on:** July 13, 2008, 03:37:40 PM »

Quote from: Amber Lambchops on July 13, 2008, 03:20:46 PM

i'd rather have Romney running the economy than McCain!

i'd double Guantanamo!

oh yea, small government right there baby

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #33 on:** July 13, 2008, 03:39:59 PM »

Quote from: Amber Lambchops on July 13, 2008, 03:20:46 PM

i'd rather have Romney running the economy than McCain!

Romney fails the Hillary test, where the person that wants to be President most should definitely NOT be President.

Besides you know you want Home Skool Huckabee to be the President, stop frontin'.

TVC15 · « **Reply #34 on:** July 13, 2008, 03:42:14 PM »

I know demi was voting Huckabee

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #35 on:** July 13, 2008, 03:50:24 PM »

Huckabee

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Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, the winner of the 2008 Iowa Caucuses, is the keynote speaker at today's Iowa Republican Party state convention. A few moments ago I got to chat with Huckabee and he made a point of revealing the title of his next book -- due in bookstores in November -- is titled "I Love Iowa." The first question I asked was about being presumptive GOP nominee John McCain's running mate, concluding with a direct: "Have you been vetted?"

"Oh, I think I have through the process. Once you've been a candidate and have gone as far as I did, your vetting was by about 300 members of the national press corps and every publication in the country. If you're asking me have I had an official contact from the McCain campaign, no I have not. In all candor, no. No one has said, 'Hey, I need your tax form.' I mean I think if a person has been a candidate, they have already been scrutinized. Most everything they want or need to know is in some public record somewhere.

"....I don't expect to be asked. I really don't. It's pretty clearly obvious that what I'm doing -- I'm not sitting around waiting on the phone to ring and right now it would really mess up a lot of things I have going," Huckbee concluded, with a laugh, "so I'm clearly not living with any expectation that (being the GOP's 2008 vice presidential nominee) is going to happen for me."

http://learfield.typepad.com/radioiowa/2008/07/huckabee-2012.html

2012: God's Candidate

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #36 on:** July 13, 2008, 06:25:24 PM »

Welcome to the real Obama.

I knew that most of the change rhetoric was mostly bullshit. Obama is not a totalitarian dictator. As a result, he is going to have to compromise a lot of his views. Bush would have done the same until the WTC collapsed, where then he was given a free pass to make all the radical legislation he wanted. So unless there is going to be another 9/11, Obama is going to have to compromise and persuade the public and Congress. Which is kind of the point of the US political system.

I knew that Obama would not roll back a lot of spying legislation. In the US, we're going to see an increase of militarization and spying. Spying is cheap now, now that equipment to do this, even with typical generous padding, is low cost enough. The only difference is if you want Obama, who probably will not be so gung ho about this transition but go through with it anyway, or McCain, who will go through with it.

Howard Alan Treesong · « **Reply #37 on:** July 13, 2008, 06:27:24 PM »

Quote from: APF on July 13, 2008, 01:28:21 PM

I'm just happy a lot of people are coming around to where I was months and months ago re: Obama, shallow and meaningless rhetoric, dancing in the wind, etc; I don't know why I get so much crap for being pretty on point, but only much sooner than everyone else.

lol wat

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #38 on:** July 13, 2008, 06:28:16 PM »

HE HAS THE INSIDE INFO! NAYSAYERS ARE SAYING NAY OVER HERE!

FlameOfCallandor · « **Reply #39 on:** July 13, 2008, 06:28:44 PM »

Quote from: The Experiment on July 13, 2008, 06:25:24 PM

I knew that Obama would not roll back a lot of spying legislation. In the US, we're going to see an increase of militarization and spying.

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:RonPaulCry

APF · « **Reply #40 on:** July 13, 2008, 07:21:15 PM »

Explain what I was wrong about then

MAF: I think I'm more polarizing than polarized.

laesperanzapaz · « **Reply #41 on:** July 13, 2008, 08:51:48 PM »

ron paul -as amazing as this sounds - reminds me alot of vladimir lenin

first of all, they have the same head shape. oval, but an uneven one, very 'martian alien' -esque

second, both are the kind of politically batshit insane people that should never hold office. in a fair, decent, good world

of course, such a world does not exist...

Fragamemnon · « **Reply #42 on:** July 13, 2008, 09:06:06 PM »

blog netroots leftists really do care too much about boutique stuff. I blame dailykos, where the community-driven content nature of the site promotes not only massive groupthink but also loves to make mountains out of molehills. I still read the site, but only for kos' posts, since he's not the ususal worthless boomer protestor type and really gets that the only thing that matters is winning, and the only thing better than just winning is running up the score.

I said during the primaries that I thought Obama was weak and had the likelyhood of being a serial capitulator. Nothing he's done so far has me thinking otherwise. He can't even whip the Hillary donors into shape, pathetic.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #43 on:** July 13, 2008, 09:14:33 PM »

omg the gubermant is tapping my phones

the worse thing about fisa is that it gives validation to delusional leftists

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #44 on:** July 13, 2008, 09:16:44 PM »

There is a good chance that Obama may very well be the 2008 version of Dukakis.

Fragamemnon · « **Reply #45 on:** July 13, 2008, 09:20:25 PM »

Quote from: The Experiment on July 13, 2008, 09:16:44 PM

There is a good chance that Obama may very well be the 2008 version of Dukakis.

He might be, but it doesn't really matter, because the Republican brand is just that bad after years of fuckups leading up this current double-whammy of economic and energy crisis.

APF · « **Reply #46 on:** July 13, 2008, 09:23:21 PM »

Yeah, I just don't see the Republicans pulling a win this time.

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #47 on:** July 13, 2008, 09:29:06 PM »

McCain hasn't even put in an ounce of effort and the numbers are practically neck and neck. That is hardly optimistic and I am an Obama supporter.

I do not have any doubt that the Democrats will be making large gains in Congress but Obama should be slaughtering McCain.

Fragamemnon · « **Reply #48 on:** July 13, 2008, 09:33:48 PM »

Quote from: The Experiment on July 13, 2008, 09:29:06 PM

McCain hasn't even put in an ounce of effort and the numbers are practically neck and neck. That is hardly optimistic and I am an Obama supporter.

I do not have any doubt that the Democrats will be making large gains in Congress but Obama should be slaughtering McCain.

No one cares about politics right now. Heck, even people like we have in this thread don't care. Even so, McCain is still down 3-4 percentage points overall in most aggregate polling, giving Obama a good 90-95% confidence of winning.

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #49 on:** July 13, 2008, 10:06:05 PM »

McCain stays close on a national level but he gets battered pretty well on a state by state basis

Mandark · « **Reply #50 on:** July 13, 2008, 11:08:13 PM »

Quote from: Fragamemnon on July 13, 2008, 09:33:48 PM

No one cares about politics right now. Heck, even people like we have in this thread don't care.

Hey!

laesperanzapaz · « **Reply #51 on:** July 13, 2008, 11:20:02 PM »

Quote from: The Experiment on July 13, 2008, 09:29:06 PM

McCain hasn't even put in an ounce of effort and the numbers are practically neck and neck. That is hardly optimistic and I am an Obama supporter.

I do not have any doubt that the Democrats will be making large gains in Congress but Obama should be slaughtering McCain.

really ??

APF · « **Reply #52 on:** July 13, 2008, 11:21:43 PM »

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=CC4A8C2A4988FD5ACE877B0474BD747C?diaryId=6884

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #53 on:** July 13, 2008, 11:34:47 PM »

*yawn*

Take it somewhere else, man. Obama is my candidate, and he's gonna get shit done, even if he isn't as "liberal or progressive" as you keep spewing.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #54 on:** July 13, 2008, 11:48:24 PM »

Sometimes I wish I was an insane Obama supporter just to shut APF up with a flood of posts lol

AdmiralViscen · « **Reply #55 on:** July 14, 2008, 12:01:35 AM »

Word

I think he will soon realize that he has been preaching to the wrong congregation at this site these last few months

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #56 on:** July 14, 2008, 12:04:51 AM »

I vote for obama because he's the best choice for me out of all the choices, whats some movement to the center going to change?

TVC15 · « **Reply #57 on:** July 14, 2008, 12:13:55 AM »

You guys should listen to APF more. He has opened my eyes to the Hitler-Stalin 08 campaign. So many great things about it. That Hitler, he sure is a, uh, snappy dresser, and boy, Stalin, he's got, er, a really unbelievable mustache.

MrAngryFace · « **Reply #58 on:** July 14, 2008, 12:15:51 AM »

Quote from: TVC 15 on July 14, 2008, 12:13:55 AM

You guys should listen to APF more. He has opened my eyes to the Hitler-Stalin 08 campaign. So many great things about it. That Hitler, he sure is a, uh, snappy dresser, and boy, Stalin, he's got, er, a really unbelievable mustache.

Maybe Mussolini could head the Department of Transportation.

TVC15 · « **Reply #59 on:** July 14, 2008, 12:17:27 AM »

Quote from: The Iconistrator on July 14, 2008, 12:15:51 AM

Quote from: TVC 15 on July 14, 2008, 12:13:55 AM
You guys should listen to APF more. He has opened my eyes to the Hitler-Stalin 08 campaign. So many great things about it. That Hitler, he sure is a, uh, snappy dresser, and boy, Stalin, he's got, er, a really unbelievable mustache.

Maybe Mussolini could head the Department of Transportation.

From what the hot political blogs are saying, it sounds like Hirohito is up for Secratary of Christmas Surprises.

News:

Author Topic: REAL TALK: Obama's rightward swing is starting to get to me... (Read 10843 times)