Too Human demo up in 7 hours (5:00am est)

[TVC15]

So far, I'd rank it similar to ED:  janky, broken, but in the end, kinda okay in a mediocre way.  It's not terrible.  Except the camera, which just spun around me in a circle for an entire fight. 

If Dyack didn't yap his fat face, he'd have a nice cult game here.  A cult game that cost like 80 million dollars.

[duckman2000]

janky, broken, but in the end, kinda okay in a mediocre way.

Sort of like Haze then

[TVC15]

janky, broken, but in the end, kinda okay in a mediocre way.

Sort of like Haze then

Well, I don't want to judge off a demo, but at this point I'd probably rank it a smidge higher than Haze.  This, so far, is maybe a notch below Heavenly Sword quality.

[Narag]

Took me a bit to get used to combat but I like the interplay of melee and ranged stuff shown here. The secondary fire grenade launcher was fine for crowd control and I think this would've been so awesome with 4p coop. Couple front line people with some support gunners would've been so fun.

[cool breeze]

Well, I don't want to judge off a demo, but at this point I'd probably rank it a smidge higher than Haze.  This, so far, is maybe a notch below Heavenly Sword quality.

Are you judging only on demos?

Judging only based on demos I would say Too Human is at Heavenly Sword's level and better than Haze.  Heavenly Sword as a full game was pretty good and if Too Human is more of the same (which it will be), I will say HS is better.  Never played the full Haze.

[TVC15]

Well, I don't want to judge off a demo, but at this point I'd probably rank it a smidge higher than Haze.  This, so far, is maybe a notch below Heavenly Sword quality.

Are you judging only on demos?

Judging only based on demos I would say Too Human is at Heavenly Sword's level and better than Haze.  Heavenly Sword as a full game was pretty good and if Too Human is more of the same (which it will be), I will say HS is better.  Never played the full Haze.

I dunno.  I was sick of the combat in too human by the end of the demo.  I at least beat Heavenly Sword.

[demi]

TVC sucks at games, btw. So you should probably take what he says with a big chunk of salt. A big one.

[Narag]

I hope the final product has some +% movement speed items.

[TVC15]

Also, the UI is kind of a mess.  I don't mean the in-battle UI, but the menus are all pretty ugly or confusing.

And I can't emphasize how boring the skill tree included in the demo looked.  The only worse skill tree I've seen is probably Hellgate.

This will be a 6-7 game, and I am sure it will have some fans.  I'll nab it because it's pretty easy and I'll get it cheap.

Also, the ice skating combat is lol.  And the whole cybernetic fantasy thing is still distinguished mentally-challenged.  And lol at SK trying (I assume) to ape a Halo feel at the beginning.

[cool breeze]

I dunno.  I was sick of the combat in too human by the end of the demo.  I at least beat Heavenly Sword.

Heavenly Sword is like 5 hours long (not exaggerating), so that isn't hard.  I wasn't that tired of the combat by the end of the Too Human demo.  I mean, it was bad, but it wasn't so much combat as it was holding the analog in one direction and checking your pulse.  The demo was about 1 hour long, the full game is 10 times that!  I can probably do it.

And yeah, I can't believe they fucked up the pause menu.  Why even have equipment on select if when exiting it takes you to the pause menu.  That is just so stupid to me that someone can miss something so simple.

[TVC15]

The only thing I strongly disliked about the combat was using the right stick to aim while using the right trigger to shoot.  For whatever reason my hand didn't quite grok that.  The combat in general is clunky, but that's the only huge complaint I have.  I dislike the Ice Capades, but at least it works.

[y2kev]

the menu loading is way too slow to be functionally "fine." if you had to wait that amount of time for the inventory screen to pop up in diablo 2 i think i'd suicide

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

I've always been kind to Too Human 'cause I've genuinely liked SK's other games and I'm always up for a Diablo clone but man alive if that demo didn't stink.  About the only real positive I got out of it was that I kind of liked the menus.

[duckman2000]

Press down on the d-pad until you get to isometric.

Standard camera is horrible.

Too Human: Best enjoyed from a distance.

[Enl]

the menu loading is way too slow to be functionally "fine." if you had to wait that amount of time for the inventory screen to pop up in diablo 2 i think i'd suicide

So you're telling me that Silicon Knights is still having the same damn inventory screen loading problems that they've had since Legacy of Kain?

[Tabasco]

That blows my mind.  You literally play this game by holding the analog stick one direction.  I even beat the second robot gorilla without getting hit once.  I'm not even very good at all games! I died over 100 times in NG2.

At first I tried to hit A, but he just jumps off. Then I tried to hold left or right on the left analog stick, because I thought it was a balance game. Didn't do anything. Then I tried to hold down on the right analog stick, like I would do if I wanted to swing my sword down. Didn't do anything. I tried flicking it up then down, didn't do anything. During this process, I accidentally flicked it left and right, and noticed the robot seemed to move in response.

So fuck you, the stupid analog stick controls your sword for 90% of the game and all the sudden it makes you lean left and right.

Is that how that was supposed to work.  I could not figure out what the damn game wanted me to do.  I just started moving the sticks and smashing the buttons and it died.  I rarely quit a demo, but this one got deleted after that fight.  Game is as terrible as it looks in videos.  Troll with clean conscious, duckman.

[Beezy]

You surf on his back until he stands up straight. Then you hit him in the head.

[cool breeze]

Too Human: Best enjoyed from a distance.

At least Dennis "I will make the best camera in a game ever" Dyack gave us options.  I am happy for at least that.

[TVC15]

Too Human: Best enjoyed from a distance.

At least Dennis "I will make the best camera in a game ever" Dyack gave us options.  I am happy for at least that.

A shame about all of those options being horrendous.

[AdmiralViscen]

Especially from a supporter of the console that brought us Haze, Heavenly Sword, Lair, and a bunch of shit that never even came out.

Oh come on now, I don't even like HS, but it certainly doesn't belong in that group. I doubt Too Human does either, but really now.

Actually, what's the last list warz 360 game that turned out to be a dud? Ninety Nine Nights?

Just off the top of my head...

Two Worlds
Blue Dragon
NG2
Lost Odyssey

No one hyped Two Worlds, other than that you just made yourself look like a fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

MS dropped Stranger's Wrath, but kept this?

Good point, wtf

I have a hard time believing anyone on the team could be proud of this product, it's so slapshod

Why couldn't he just let the face buttons attack? The game would be passable and a sleeper hit with that change and some toning down by Dyack.

[Bildi]

Had a quick play when I went home for lunch - it seemed OK.

I wish the camera look function worked in 360 degrees from first person view because I'd like to look around a bit more.  There's lots of height to the levels but you're spending most of your time looking at the floor.  I also ended up using the closest camera since I didn't mind not seeing all the enemies at once and that way everything wasn't so teensy.

I also wish the camera snap moved to position very quickly rather than just changing position since it can be a little disorienting.

I'm interested to play tonight at a slower pace and explore it a bit more.

[demi]

Did anyone beat the Level 15 enemy? It's in the left door at the 3-way split. I was like HOLY SHIT and it annihilated me

[cool breeze]

Did anyone beat the Level 15 enemy? It's in the left door at the 3-way split. I was like HOLY SHIT and it annihilated me

I'm glad I didn't delete the demo.  I'll fuck him up tomorrow.

[AdmiralViscen]

Am I wrong or does your shadow simply disappear when you jump?

It's hard to tell because the camera tracks, try it when going up stairs.

[TVC15]

Did anyone beat the Level 15 enemy? It's in the left door at the 3-way split. I was like HOLY SHIT and it annihilated me

Once you go out there where he is, can you go back in the building?  I tried to run back, but I wouldn't get back in.  I was pretty sure I was up against the door, but since the camera was pointed IN THE OPPOSITE FUCKING DIRECTION I have no idea.

[cool breeze]

Yeah, this game needs a mini-map.  It is hard to tell the difference between boring architecture door 1 and boring architecture 2.

[demi]

Did anyone beat the Level 15 enemy? It's in the left door at the 3-way split. I was like HOLY SHIT and it annihilated me

Once you go out there where he is, can you go back in the building?  I tried to run back, but I wouldn't get back in.  I was pretty sure I was up against the door, but since the camera was pointed IN THE OPPOSITE FUCKING DIRECTION I have no idea.

Yeah you can go back. It shows the A button in the corner like before.

[siamesedreamer]

I'm digging it bigtime.

It ain't perfect, but for me its a lot of fun.

[TVC15]

I'm digging it bigtime.

It ain't perfect, but for me its a lot of fun.

I'd probably dig it a lot more if I could map the right stick to camera. 

[Tieno]

I just played it for the first time. Sometimes I like the gameplay, for example when I did a 165hit combo and was hopping from enemy to enemy and sliding my way to a mini-boss (almost platforming). The weapon, loot and armor system is pretty cool too. Sometimes I get frustrated with the controls and feel like I'm not in control of my character and I am just fumbling. Graphics can be competent, animation isn't as big of a deal when you're playing as the videos make it seem, still not good though.

Cutscenes and facial models are mostly goofy, especially the eyes. Don't like the flashbacks either. The fusion of Norse mythology and sci-fi sounded cool, but doesn't really feel executed well. The concept art looked better.

I don't know, based on the demo there's a chance I could either get into the gameplay of the full game and get competent at it or I'd get bored with it. I'll probably rent it.

[Darunia]

i liked the demo way more when I played for the second time. I completed all the optional stuff like the time challenge and the big fight at the 3 way intersection and got some good loot out of it. At the end I got a complete matching yellow armor set

I don't know, it's still mired with flaws and problems, but at least the loot system draws you back.

also, I didn't know the back button takes you instantly to equipment. Saves at least a bit of time

[dark1x]

Man, the game feels really janky.  I was surprised at the ugly, jerky looking cutscenes, the ultra stiff animation, horrible camera, etc.  I will have to give it another shot, but the initial impression was extremely poor.  I'm not ready to pass judgement yet, of course, but that's not a good start.

The title screen was neat looking at least.

[tiesto]

I thought the graphics were surprisingly decent, but the actual game was so insanely confusing, I had no idea what I just played. Control scheme was awfully obtuse and overcomplicated, combat was stupid (I thought the game was a DMC type game from the onset, but the controls do all the work for you, like FFXII), the status menu and equip menu takes a little while to load and are poorly laid out, story makes no sense at this point, you seem to keep jumping to new areas in the demo with no context as to what's going on. I went in one room, and a timer started ticking down for no reason at all... I was so confused by this game I can't tell whether I enjoyed it or it was horrible.

[AdmiralViscen]

I'll probably still try it again. I just really don't see myself liking it. Like tiesto said, between the janky controls and the janky environments, I don't know if I'll get to what's good.

[CHOW CHOW]

I think it's funny how Dyack modeled Baldur's face after his own...such a nerdy thing to do. Anyway, I just put about 30 mins into the demo... I dunno.  I'm not feeling it at all. 

[dark1x]

I think it's funny how Dyack modeled Baldur's face after his own...such a nerdy thing to do. Anyway, I just put about 30 mins into the demo... I dunno.  I'm not feeling it at all. 

Did he now?     Interesting.

Still, Baldur's model is easily the best of the bunch.  Most of the characters look pretty awful.

[CHOW CHOW]

Well, the combat seems to be improving quite a bit with the new weapons and skills.  I think this is the type of game that gets better the more you play it.  I'm gonna give it a rent.

[CHOW CHOW]

I think it's funny how Dyack modeled Baldur's face after his own...such a nerdy thing to do. Anyway, I just put about 30 mins into the demo... I dunno.  I'm not feeling it at all. 

Did he now?     Interesting.

Still, Baldur's model is easily the best of the bunch.  Most of the characters look pretty awful.

Oh, I dunno for sure... I'm just suspecting that's what he did.

[CHOW CHOW]

Some rumble feedback when attacking would REALLY help make the combat more satisfying.  I dunno what they were thinking by making it only rumble when you're hit. 

[CHOW CHOW]

Got a BADASS hammer called the Ancient Mattock of Hypnosis (49 damage)!  Kind of looks like the Hammer of Dawn in Halo 3.  Sorry for posting so many times in a row.

[CHOW CHOW]

Just beat the demo.  Not bad at all... I take back what I said earlier.  I like the loot, the combat is good enough, the story... I dunno, skipped the cut scenes. 

Did anyone beat the Level 15 enemy? It's in the left door at the 3-way split. I was like HOLY SHIT and it annihilated me

I beat him...not that hard.

[cool breeze]

Did anyone beat the Level 15 enemy? It's in the left door at the 3-way split. I was like HOLY SHIT and it annihilated me

Uhhh, I think you just suck at this game.

I fucked him up without getting hit once with my lvl 5 guy using a lvl 1 hammer (I accidentally sold my flame sword).  Get any enemy in the air and it is an instant win.

I will say that this game does have good loot.  When I killed that stupidly easy boss, it dropped cool looking stuff.  I wanted to try out the lvl 8 sword, but I ended the demo as lvl 7.  There was even a hammer and shield that was lvl 9.

[Narag]

Loot in the format of: something something of the something always has me interested.
Even moreso when it is Someone's Something Something of the Something

[Narag]

Last but it looks to be competent in its own right. Need final product in hand to fully judge!  If it succeeds, I'll be interested to see if they improve it to something great or just leave it as is.

[BamYouHaveAids]

So can you peeps compare it to other, uhh, sci-fi Diablo clones? I can't name even one so I guess you could compare it to TQ , Sacred and Diablo itself. Where does it place on the Diablo-clones scale?

I've played flash games with deeper skill trees.

[AdmiralViscen]

I guess I'll try this again, I didn't even look at the equipment menu.

Is the skill 'tree' still just three straight lines?

[MCD]

i didn't like the analog control method, no buy.

[BamYouHaveAids]

So can you peeps compare it to other, uhh, sci-fi Diablo clones? I can't name even one so I guess you could compare it to TQ , Sacred and Diablo itself. Where does it place on the Diablo-clones scale?

I've played flash games with deeper skill trees.

yeah, but no one takes you seriously.

now i know how dyack and too human feel

it HURTS

[Howard Alan Treesong]

So can you peeps compare it to other, uhh, sci-fi Diablo clones? I can't name even one so I guess you could compare it to TQ , Sacred and Diablo itself. Where does it place on the Diablo-clones scale?

it's pretty Alien Syndrome Wii level, only with worse combat

[y2kev]

I just realized this wasn't at the conference.  Big slap in the face from Microsoft, considering the demo was probably told to be ready for the conference.

told you

lair award

[AdmiralViscen]

I hate to say it, but I'm replaying this and kind of liking it

Assault rifle with grenade launcher? mmm

[Bildi]

A few small niggles aside (like the framerate moving around and some walking animations) it's actually growing on me a bit.  I played about an hour last night and have been thinking about it since then which I guess is a good sign.

My biggest complaint is that there isn't a normal, simple first-person look camera.  The environments are quite nice and I'd like to look around, but the distinguished mentally-challenged look camera has an annoyingly limited range.

I want to look at a giant statue but all I can see are his goddam knees.

[demi]

That's right... haters owned... hey remember when I said it was gonna be good

[AdmiralViscen]

It is kind afun when you get a feel for it.

Why the fuck am I running around in a forest now though, I just want to fight guys

[duckman2000]

Sounds like forced training and acceptance of mediocrity to me.

[AdmiralViscen]

Shut the fuck up.

[TVC15]

The skill trees are so boring and bad.  If I were an RPG character, my skill tree would probably be more exciting.

[AdmiralViscen]

I've never played a game like this before, so that's probably part of it.

I started enjoying it when I realized I could fire my guns at two enemies at once, then I got a bit of teh bonar when I got the assault rifle with grenade launcher. If there are really like 50 different guns I could see why this game would be fun, and I don't mind the newbie nature of it all.

How does switching classes work? Do I have multiple save files, or I switch whenever I want, or what?

[fistfulofmetal]

Finally downloaded.

So far: Graphics are mostly ugly.


Gameplay isn't bad. It's just kind of.... nothing. Boring. Uninteresting.

It's not really worth any hate or praise.

[demi]

Sounds like forced training and acceptance of mediocrity to me.

I dont own a PS3, just borrowing one, haha

edit:

Oh oops this is the wrong thread, but I imagine you cant READ