Show me your RAGE, seriously

[JustinP]

Apparently, to dyfb, if it ain't glowin or using some obnoxious filter effect, it ain't artistic.

But give that swat guy a trench coat and some red shit on his eyes and LOOK OUT.

Seriously

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if you could only point to a place where i said anything about mirror's edge's environment design or even the artistic design in general.  

as far as mirror's edge is concerned, i've only talked about the soldier designs.  i think as a game, mirror's edge looks nice -- i only have a problem with the boring, generic character designs.  they stick out like a sore thumb next to stylized art of the rest of the game.  

leave it to EB's pitiful killzone hate to cause you losers to try and defend the most generic character designs since conflict denied ops.  

[duckman2000]

Killzone 2, Rage, and Mirror's Edge all look awesome.  Mirror's Edge is going for that style on purpose.  Killzone 2 is jacking the Jin-Roh designs, but that is a good thing.  Rage has good original designs.

Original, they look like random Tatooine citizens 1, 2, 3 and 4 to me. Fits the environment, I suppose.

[Van Cruncheon]

RED EYES

BROWN SHIRTS

GAS MASKS

DEPTH OF FIELD

[JustinP]

<--clicky

that's very old footage...  from their first publicly shown build.  

[duckman2000]

as far as mirror's edge is concerned, i've only talked about the soldier designs.  i think as a game, mirror's edge looks nice -- i only have a problem with the boring, generic character designs.  they stick out like a sore thumb next to stylized art of the rest of the game.leave it to EB's pitiful killzone hate to cause you losers to try and defend the most generic character designs since conflict denied ops. 

I'm pretty sure that's a deliberate design. The city itself is a tightly controlled "utopia," so the opposition should then probably be anonymous and straight cut. Whether you like that choice or not is a different matter, but sometimes, generic isn't a bad thing.

Swedes

Europeans in general

[BlueTsunami]

I'm an expert at SWAT designs and as an expert I can say that those designs are generic. Sure you have to factor in the environment and character designs that actually are cohesive but hey, I can't distinguish subtlety. I'm an expert.

[Jansen]

that's very old footage...  from their first publicly shown build. 

i know. and it looks AWESOME

[MCD]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/23177.html

[duckman2000]

dfyb is good people, his contributions always manage to make me look more reasonable and less like the self-righteous gasbag that I am.

[cool breeze]

Original, they look like random Tatooine citizens 1, 2, 3 and 4 to me. Fits the environment, I suppose.

Original for video games.

It is like when people were claiming Psychonauts was all original and unique and I saw it as reject Tim Burton creations (ok, that is a bit harsh).

[JustinP]

as far as mirror's edge is concerned, i've only talked about the soldier designs.  i think as a game, mirror's edge looks nice -- i only have a problem with the boring, generic character designs.  they stick out like a sore thumb next to stylized art of the rest of the game.leave it to EB's pitiful killzone hate to cause you losers to try and defend the most generic character designs since conflict denied ops. 

I'm pretty sure that's a deliberate design. The city itself is a tightly controlled "utopia," so the opposition should then probably be anonymous and straight cut. Whether you like that choice or not is a different matter, but sometimes, generic isn't a bad thing.

mirror's edge does not take place in a contemporary setting, either. 

they can have anonymous, straight cut characters without taking today's basic military gear and coloring it black and white.  

see: star wars stormtroopers (or do you guys also troll starwars for using nazi-inspired characters?) or the combine police in HL2, among TONS of other designs.  

[BlueTsunami]

So, your suggesting that DICE pull a Guerrilla and bite the designs of other artists?

[Jansen]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/23177.html

still wondering how this type of game is gonna play out on 360 using 2 discs.

[Mupepe]

I think Killzone 2's art is pretty fucking awesome

[y2kev]

Killzone has really impressive concept art

[MCD]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/23177.html

still wondering how this type of game is gonna play out on 360 using 2 discs.

just leave it to carmack.

[duckman2000]

The Jin-Roh characters seriously look like absolute blunt-take shit compared to Guerrilla's "iteration" though. That's a classic case of borrowing something with shred of brilliance and actually turning it into something spectacular. It's like the anti-Too Human or some such. Doesn't make it entirely original, but I don't think anyone has claimed that. You'd certainly think that someone had said that, given that the entire argument seems to revolve around that.

[JustinP]

So, your suggesting that DICE pull a Guerrilla and bite the designs of other artists?

i really wonder how you manage to repeatedly fail comprehending such simple sentences. 

DICE has pulled their designs straight out of airsoft gear catalogs, FFS. 

i haven't even made any claims about killzone character design in this thread.  you dolts just bring it up to hate on it more.  but if you morons could get over your undeserving hate of killzone, you'd see that while the helghast are obviously inspired by jin-roh suits, some of the other designs are original enough where they don't draw obvious references from other major sources.  all their designs look interesting despite some being very inspired. 

which is more than you can say about the boring, run of the mill designs in mirror's edge.  you can put them next to characters in other games and movies, maybe change the color pallete a bit, and you wouldn't be able to tell the fucking difference.  yeah, that makes them generic and boring. 


killzone haters =

[JustinP]

The Jin-Roh characters seriously look like absolute blunt-take shit compared to Guerrilla's "iteration" though. That's a classic case of borrowing something with shred of brilliance and actually turning it into something spectacular. It's like the anti-Too Human or some such.

i disagree there.  the characters serve a different purpose, but i think jin-roh's design is awesome.  dunno if you've seen the film, but the design works flawlessly. 

i love killzone's designs, but i consider them second tier to the original. 

[duckman2000]

The Jin-Roh characters seriously look like absolute blunt-take shit compared to Guerrilla's "iteration" though.

 
  fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuckofff!!!!

good lord.

It's not my fault that it's true. Leave it to Europeans to refine the jackhammer carvings of others.

[duckman2000]

You dumbasses actually think I'm being serious?

That said, I do think that Guerrilla developed a pretty original framework around that design. It's the cohesive image that impresses, and the characters en masse play a big part in that. Of course, I also think the new sniper model shits all over all of them (seriously), but then that's just one character model.

[duckman2000]

Well, I was serious about it being the anti-Too Human in that respect. The whole point of borrowing something should be to either make it better, or build something worthwhile around it.

[duckman2000]

which is more than you can say about the boring, run of the mill designs in mirror's edge.  you can put them next to characters in other games and movies, maybe change the color pallete a bit, and you wouldn't be able to tell the fucking difference.  yeah, that makes them generic and boring.

The characters are clean, and again, anonymous. Which would then reflect the overarching visual design of the game world. I'm seriously not seeing the problem here.

[JustinP]

which is more than you can say about the boring, run of the mill designs in mirror's edge.  you can put them next to characters in other games and movies, maybe change the color pallete a bit, and you wouldn't be able to tell the fucking difference.  yeah, that makes them generic and boring.

The characters are clean, and again, anonymous. Which would then reflect the overarching visual design of the game world. I'm seriously not seeing the problem here.

these terms are also used to define the designs of stormtroopers and combine police.  being "clean and anonymous" does not mean the character still can't be original.  being "clean and anonymous" doesn't mean they have to take a swat soldier from 'Action Game 42934' and throw him into a very stylized environment.  

[laesperanzapaz]

As much as i love carmack and look forward to whatever quality shit he produces, the art direction in his games is mwlejflkdsjkfajdsjfj

which is still leagues above half-life combine-ripoff KIllzone [or should i say, Shitzone] that is espoused like a whore by the Sony basement virgins

[cool breeze]

which is still leagues above half-life combine-ripoff KIllzone [or should i say, Shitzone] that is espoused like a whore by the Sony basement virgins

That is some dumb ignorant shit if you think Killzone ripped off anything Half-Life related.

[Great Rumbler]

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/23177.html

I can't wait to see some more of this at QuakeCon!

[Draft]

which is still leagues above half-life combine-ripoff KIllzone [or should i say, Shitzone] that is espoused like a whore by the Sony basement virgins

That is some dumb ignorant shit if you think Killzone ripped off anything Half-Life related.

Basically every FPS in the last 5 years is a HL rip off.

[cool breeze]

Basically every FPS in the last 5 years is a HL rip off.

I forgot to include the "2".  I also meant design wise.

I think it is fairly obvious that Killzone takes designs from Jin-Roh.  If you want to make a new remark about the second game, compare it to Call of Duty or something.

[y2kev]

i think killzone does the "destroyed humanity" look really well. that Helghan panorama in the original trailer was absolutely stunning.

KZ1 had really great art direction I thought (ripped or not, I don't care.). Really consistent, beautiful, and interesting. Definitely loved the art. It's the only thing about the game I think doesn't make me motion sick.


I don't know what Jin-Roh is, but it sounds like an animu. Shame on you people.

[cool breeze]

Jin-roh

[Great Rumbler]

I don't know what Jin-Roh is, but it sounds like an animu. Shame on you people.

Dude, Jin-Roh's not animu.

[Crushed]

I don't know what Jin-Roh is, but it sounds like an animu. Shame on you people.

[JustinP]

put some of the mirror edge designs in a more generic background and it looks like it could be a screenshot from some other mod trying to ripoff counter-strike or Ut's tactical ops.

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quicky photoshop job OOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

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[y2kev]

omg it IS animu

[Mupepe]

I'll agree with JustinP, the enemy design in Mirrors Edge looks like a shitty saturday morning cartoon or something

[recursivelyenumerable]

http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/2340

i doubt carmack even has any idea what dependent types are.  tim sweeney UE4

[duckman2000]

I still don't get why it's automatically a bad thing to include familiar models. The world of Mirror's Edge is not, as far as I know, designed to be an all-out unrealistic sci-fi world. The system, not the technology or character designs, is what gives it its strong fictional appeal. A tactical outfit is designed in such a way for good reason, and efficiency certainly fits this particular world.

[Crushed]

http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/2340

i doubt carmack even has any idea what dependent types are.  tim sweeney UE4

dude john carmack probably dreams in code, like the matrix or something

[JustinP]

omg it IS animu

it's good.  though the english dub...  is not. 

[Draft]

http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/2340

i doubt carmack even has any idea what dependent types are.  tim sweeney UE4

Tim Sweeney: Talks about coding on the internet.

John Carmack: Builds rockets.

Carmack

Sweeney

[MCD]

[cool breeze]

i think killzone does the "destroyed humanity" look really well. that Helghan panorama in the original trailer was absolutely stunning.

KZ1 had really great art direction I thought (ripped or not, I don't care.). Really consistent, beautiful, and interesting. Definitely loved the art. It's the only thing about the game I think doesn't make me motion sick.

Killzone has good art direction.  Watch the 1up special on Killzone 2 (I'm actually watching the extended version right now).  The way they design things is really interesting, and best of all, they don't turn out looking like shit (Haze...One of the worst looking pistols in a game.)

[Crushed]

Speaking of Haze, what is this oft-mentioned "BOOSH" I have heard so much about?

[cool breeze]

[youtube=425,350]L4RrkFH4Srw[/youtube]

I think this.  I haven't played the full game.

[duckman2000]

See, Haze had shitty art direction. And they actually went back to the drawing board and resurfaced with the bee helmet theme. You have to wonder if someone was deliberately sabotaging that one. God damn it.

[Great Rumbler]

[youtube=425,350]L4RrkFH4Srw[/youtube]

I think this.  I haven't played the full game.

They probably stole that from Frisky Dingo.

[Mupepe]

See, Haze had shitty art direction. And they actually went back to the drawing board and resurfaced with the bee helmet theme. You have to wonder if someone was deliberately sabotaging that one. God damn it.

[tiesto]

http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/2340

i doubt carmack even has any idea what dependent types are.  tim sweeney UE4

Tim Sweeney: Talks about coding on the internet.

John Carmack: Builds rockets.

Carmack

Sweeney

Tim Sweeney - made ZZT

Sweeney

[Draft]

Commander Keen
Some game no one's ever even heard of

[y2kev]

carmack's psuedo mullet

sweeney's nerd goggles

[tiesto]

Commander Keen
Some game no one's ever even heard of

Commander Keen's just a lame Mario wannabe, ZZT actually gave you the power to create your own computer games, one of the first games with a fully featured level editor and rudimentary programming language.

[Draft]

Commander Keen
Some game no one's ever even heard of

Commander Keen's just a lame Mario wannabe, ZZT actually gave you the power to create your own computer games, one of the first games with a fully featured level editor and rudimentary programming language.

Yeah wow sounds awesome I guess that's why it was so popular.

[y2kev]

Commander Keen
Some game no one's ever even heard of

Commander Keen's just a lame Mario wannabe, ZZT actually gave you the power to create your own computer games, one of the first games with a fully featured level editor and rudimentary programming language.

Yeah wow sounds awesome I guess that's why it was so popular.

[Oblivion]

Does Carmack even KNOW how to program? Dude seems really lazy and whiny.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Just trying this out here since the attempt failed on gaf  :'(.

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[MCD]

it didn't work at gaf because you put a laughing smiley at the end.

you need to be cold.

[tiesto]

Commander Keen
Some game no one's ever even heard of

Commander Keen's just a lame Mario wannabe, ZZT actually gave you the power to create your own computer games, one of the first games with a fully featured level editor and rudimentary programming language.

Yeah wow sounds awesome I guess that's why it was so popular.

Well, people still make games on it to this day. http://zzt.belsambar.net/

[Oblivion]

it didn't work at gaf because you put a laughing smiley at the end.

you need to be cold.

I am a mere tyro in the ways of trolling.  :'(

[y2kev]

Commander Keen
Some game no one's ever even heard of

Commander Keen's just a lame Mario wannabe, ZZT actually gave you the power to create your own computer games, one of the first games with a fully featured level editor and rudimentary programming language.

Yeah wow sounds awesome I guess that's why it was so popular.

Well, people still make games on it to this day. http://zzt.belsambar.net/

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more popular than haze wow

[Jansen]

Don't shit on what will undoubtedly be an amazing experience . even if you think the designs look generic (which is distinguished mentally-challenged considering you're up against government agents in a near future totalitarian society).