the new evilbore canon round one: metroid prime

[pilonv1]

If I could actually play it without feeling bored and wanting to play a better game, I'd probably like it. 

[laesperanzapaz]

you're 19 crushed.

[Positive Touch]

metroid is a great series, and the primes are great games

i enjoyed 2 most of all.  honestly

[EmCeeGrammar]

I find the prime games to be flawed, but nevertheless the good outweighs some of the recurring design botches. If a synthesis of corruption's action, moveset, controls with talon IV's level design were to happen it be great. Objectively speaking, prime's problem was backtracking is only good when confined to one area. The game starts great but when it forces you out of phendrana to go ALL THE WAY BACK to the landing site for the doublejump and then head straight back its irritating. Gamecube controller wasnt suited for the game. Other than that, most atmospheric game Ive ever played.

[brawndolicious]

yeah, it's my favorite game ever because:

1: I LOVED the targeting system which made boss fights and specific enemies really fun to fight.  Most enemies were fodder and the handling of multiple enemies (like a room full of space pirates) could be better but after the first hour of gameplay, you should have picked up the controls.  Apparently some people in this thread played through the game and hated the controls?  You have to admit that the bossfights benefited from that system though.  I don't consider the game perfect simply because it took way too long to get adjusted to the controls.

2: The art, soundtrack, and general atmosphere is better than just about anything else I have seen or played.  It's the reason why I'm interested in games as an art form.  It's not something that you understand by just watching a video review.  This game is the only thing I respect about nintendo for a very good reason.

3: It pisses everybody who bought it on sale for $10 when they were sick for a week with diarrhea because they realized it is a FPS where you can not teabag your enemies.  I was only interested in it at first because of the high review score but after I actually liked the game, I kinda liked how it got itself a special niche as troll fodder.  I mean, I can understand how someone would have problems with the game, but I can still just sit back and say that they're wrong because I say so.

Also, why do people have a problem with it having the Metroid license like that it took the franchise off in the wrong direction?  Around the same time as MP1, there were new 2D GBA Metroid games so obviously fans of the old-school games would still get their fix.

[The Sceneman]

awesome series, Im playing 3 right now

[Kestastrophe]

awesome series, Im playing 3 right now

It's the only one in the series that I could get into enough to beat. THe backtracking and difficulty of the first 2 were too hardcore for me.

[tiesto]

I played the game through before many console FPSes and before getting used to the dual analog setup so at the time, I didn't find the controls that horrible after getting used to them... but nowadays, I think that control scheme would get awful. The actual gameplay wasn't  terrible, I've certainly played worse, but the amount of backtracking needed was utterly ridiculous. The game seemed to be, "find this item, then find the next item on the complete opposite side of the map", in the 2D metroids from Super Metroid and beyond, there wasn't nearly this much backtracking, you were always discovering new areas, while right now the thing I most remember about Prime is running back and forth through that fire cavern trying to jump in first person. So yeah, while I was expecting the worst (turning one of my favorite 2D franchises into a FPS made by a rookie Western team) the game wasn't quite that bad, it was just dull.

I don't know how you can fault the graphics though, Prole, it definitely was one of the nicer looking and more atmospheric games upon its release. And the music was excellent.

[Eric P]

back when i was an english undergrad, we had a recent phd graduate apply for an assistant professorship in our department. his area of specialty? the works of stephen king. needless to say, he did not get the job.

"but why?" asked the earnest student and fan of horror fiction. "stephen king's novels receive great critical reviews from many publications! they are loved by many, many people throughout the world!"

because," my advisor told that student, "we are experts in literature, not books."

oh man

if true, pwn

but sadly there is a closet industry devoted to king devotees.

and prime was so bad i didn't finish past the asteroid prologue

[GilloD]

I was just discussing this game yesterday. I feel like it hold up in context, but where it really shines is that it was, for me, the first "next gen" game. Tons of little details like Samus' reflection in her own helmet, water on the visor, shit like that was really new. It felt different, all those little details. For that alone it deserves a place in the canon.

[Bocsius]

So many people in this thread voluntarily forfeiting their rights to discuss games ever again.

I must say I agree with the canon as it has been established. Metroid Prime is crap.

[Beezy]

ooh, can we sneak Legend of Mana > Secret of Mana and Romancing SaGa > all other Square games into the canon before anyone else notices?  

definitely

go fuck each other

[Human Snorenado]

In retrospect, MP should have been a dead giveaway of the future path that Nintendo chose to take.  Taking a classic series like Metroid that emphasized platforming, puzzle solving and action and turning it into a weaksauce fps that not only lacked any of the first two games' assets but watered down the fps experience as well.  It's like taking The Godfather movies and turning them into a bad tv soap opera. 

There's tons of specific stuff to bitch about (HOT LOCK ON ACTION kills any sense of skill/danger/action in the game, scanning is tedious, pointless and antithetical to the first entries in the franchise emphasizing lack of back story, and backtracking is tedious) but why bother when we can just sum it up thusly:

Metroid Prime sucks.  Sucks long and hard.  I would also accept:  am nintenho thinks that it is the best game ever.  AM NINTENHO. 

[TakingBackSunday]

I loved this game.  :'(

Metroid Prime 3 is the best though.  By a country mile.

[Positive Touch]

*high-fives Borys*

[Great Rumbler]

About the only thing that this thread has accomplished is making me want to go back and play the MP trilogy. Thanks, Prole!

[Van Cruncheon]

i think we're making progress. at the very least, we've identified who the literate, knowledgable gamers are and who the unwashed types likewise are

this hasn't changed the canonical fact that metroid prime, like shenmue, is a shit game

[Positive Touch]

I think you should automatically be disqualified from deciding what is and isn't a quality game if you own or have owned any game with an anime preteen girl with magical powers on the cover.

[MCD]

don't judge a book by it's cover.

[Grecco]

I dont know how i can take the opinion of someone who believes Assassins Creed is a good game, as a serious opinion, or legitimized to institute canon.

[TVC15]

I kinda dug it when it came out, but I gave up when the ghost molester things showed up.  I later tried to come back to the game, but I couldn't figure out how I ever tolerated those terrible controls.

MP3 was pretty good stuff, though.

[Tristam]

This thread is irrefutably homo.

[Brehvolution]

This thread is irrefutably homo.

To me, this makes the most sense in this thread.

[Bloodwake]

I take part in the best canon ever: the Bloodwake canon.

That way, I don't let forum users influence my opinions on games I legitimately enjoyed, such as Metroid Prime.

[Human Snorenado]

I take part in the best canon ever: the Bloodwake canon.

That way, I don't let forum users influence my opinions on games I legitimately enjoyed, such as Metroid Prime.

Your enjoyment of said piece of interactive software was predicated on ignorance, so it can not reasonably be termed "legitimate".

[Bloodwake]

I take part in the best canon ever: the Bloodwake canon.

That way, I don't let forum users influence my opinions on games I legitimately enjoyed, such as Metroid Prime.

Your enjoyment of said piece of interactive software was predicated on ignorance, so it can not reasonably be termed "legitimate".

Naah, I played through both 1 and 2 while I've been a member of this forum, and believe me, this isn't the first thread with hateful words against Metroid Prime.

It's not the best game ever, but I enjoyed it.

[Crushed]

Your enjoyment of said piece of interactive software was predicated on ignorance, so it can not reasonably be termed "legitimate".

"You didn't REALLY like that videogame, because it's stupid, because you liked it."

/evilbore

[Human Snorenado]

Your enjoyment of said piece of interactive software was predicated on ignorance, so it can not reasonably be termed "legitimate".

"You didn't REALLY like that videogame, because it's stupid, because you liked it."

/evilbore

You're finally learning, Crushed.  Finally.

[Bloodwake]

Your enjoyment of said piece of interactive software was predicated on ignorance, so it can not reasonably be termed "legitimate".

"You didn't REALLY like that videogame, because it's stupid, because you liked it."

/evilbore

You're finally learning, Crushed.  Finally.

 

I'll tell you one game that Evilbore hated that I liked originally but began to hate: The fucking Darkness

Started great, looked great, game turned to shit.

[muckhole]

I didn't last half an hour with Metroid Prime. Just didn't enjoy it at all.

But I loved the Darkness from front to back.

[Van Cruncheon]

I think you should automatically be disqualified from deciding what is and isn't a quality game if you own or have owned any game with an anime preteen girl with magical powers on the cover.

i have not suggested that any of those animu games are good. i am sure that john updike has read harry potter, fwiw; it doesn't preclude him from calling your favorite writers hacks.

[Great Rumbler]

*puts on monocle* *sips expensive tea from Italy* Eh, wot!

[drohne]

italian tea? wot indeed

[demi]

Your enjoyment of said piece of interactive software was predicated on ignorance, so it can not reasonably be termed "legitimate".

"You didn't REALLY like that videogame, because it's stupid, because you liked it."

/evilbore

You're finally learning, Crushed.  Finally.

 

I'll tell you one game that Evilbore hated that I liked originally but began to hate: The fucking Darkness

Started great, looked great, game turned to shit.

You're welcome

[Great Rumbler]

italian tea? wot indeed

I'm so rich that I used my time machine to go back in time to steal tea plants from China and then have it shipped to Italy so that it could be planted in a hidden grotto and then tended for a thousand years by blind albinos just so I could drink that cup of tea that I just drank two seconds ago.