RANT TIME: Downloadable content that is on the DISC?

[Hollywood]

Just read about this over at GAF. Apparently in Soul Caliber IV, you are charged a small fee for extra costumes that are IN the game itself, but only unlockable through paying for it. Wow, if I owned that game, I would be ridiculously pissed. Even worse, is some fucking dumbasses over there are DEFENDING it. "Um you're just paying for the right to play whats unlocked", "Um, I rather have it unlockable for a fee on disc than downloading." WTF? Are people really this stupid?

Typical corporate nickel diming. It's not enough they charge $60 per game, but simple costume options in games are being charged for, that are ALREADY on the disc? A companies wonder why jaded people goto piracy. Fuck em.

[demi]

Sounds like all of Nintendo's lineup

[Vizzys]

Just read about this over at GAF.

 

[pilonv1]

sup Ace Combat 6
sup Beautiful Katamari
sup Ridge Raer 6

Namco know what they're doing. Since I have a well paying job I like being able to buy extra content for my games. If Idolmaster was released here I'd buy plenty of it's DLC.

The people complaining about it are filthy poors yet still clamour to buy the next remake of a shitty Nintendo game or terrible PS3 port.

Whether it's on the disc or not is irrelevant. When I bought my car there was a slot for cruise control on the dash but it wasn't standard with my car. I didn't cry about it.

Get a second job losers.

[AdmiralViscen]

This isn't a new concept, and yes it's bullshit.

[MCD]

Viz, let's titfuck.

[Hollywood]

sup Ace Combat 6
sup Beautiful Katamari
sup Ridge Raer 6

Namco know what they're doing. Since I have a well paying job I like being able to buy extra content for my games. If Idolmaster was released here I'd buy plenty of it's DLC.

The people complaining about it are filthy poors yet still clamour to buy the next remake of a shitty Nintendo game or terrible PS3 port.

Whether it's on the disc or not is irrelevant. When I bought my car there was a slot for cruise control on the dash but it wasn't standard with my car. I didn't cry about it.

Get a second job losers.

If I won the fucking lottery, I wouldn't buy that shit. It's not about how much money you have, its about how fucking stupid it is to do that. It's stupid, paying for something you already have on the disc and should be accessed through normal play. Options on your car isn't the same fucking thing, don't even compare. Costume options IN THE GAME was a premeditated move to nickel dime people to unlock them. That's it, plain and simple. Microsoft should grow a pair and tell companies to stop doing that shit.

[demi]

You don't even have a 360, who cares what affects you. Don't you have some ROMs to buy?

[AdmiralViscen]

sup Ace Combat 6
sup Beautiful Katamari
sup Ridge Raer 6

Namco know what they're doing. Since I have a well paying job I like being able to buy extra content for my games. If Idolmaster was released here I'd buy plenty of it's DLC.

The people complaining about it are filthy poors yet still clamour to buy the next remake of a shitty Nintendo game or terrible PS3 port.

Whether it's on the disc or not is irrelevant. When I bought my car there was a slot for cruise control on the dash but it wasn't standard with my car. I didn't cry about it.

Get a second job losers.

If I won the fucking lottery, I wouldn't buy that shit. It's not about how much money you have, its about how fucking stupid it is to do that. It's stupid, paying for something you already have on the disc and should be accessed through normal play. Options on your car isn't the same fucking thing, don't even compare. Costume options IN THE GAME was a premeditated move to nickel dime people to unlock them. That's it, plain and simple. Microsoft should grow a pair and tell companies to stop doing that shit.

Then they'd just release them as 1MB downloads day one instead.

[pilonv1]

sup Ace Combat 6
sup Beautiful Katamari
sup Ridge Raer 6

Namco know what they're doing. Since I have a well paying job I like being able to buy extra content for my games. If Idolmaster was released here I'd buy plenty of it's DLC.

The people complaining about it are filthy poors yet still clamour to buy the next remake of a shitty Nintendo game or terrible PS3 port.

Whether it's on the disc or not is irrelevant. When I bought my car there was a slot for cruise control on the dash but it wasn't standard with my car. I didn't cry about it.

Get a second job losers.

If I won the fucking lottery, I wouldn't buy that shit. It's not about how much money you have, its about how fucking stupid it is to do that. It's stupid, paying for something you already have on the disc and should be accessed through normal play. Options on your car isn't the same fucking thing, don't even compare. Costume options IN THE GAME was a premeditated move to nickel dime people to unlock them. That's it, plain and simple. Microsoft should grow a pair and tell companies to stop doing that shit.

HI NAMCO ITS MICROSOFT, STOP SELLING EXTRA STUFF AND MAKING MORE MONEY

[Hollywood]

You don't even have a 360, who cares what affects you. Don't you have some ROMs to buy?

I do have a 360, not that I play it much.

And Admiral, yeah its ridiculous even if they sold them without being on disc. The disc factor is kinda just being pissed on after being kicked in the nuts. They're just saying, "you stupid consumer fucks, not only are we going to charge you for shit that we intentionally kept out to charge you for in the first place, BUT its also right on the fucking DISC AND YOU CAN'T GET IT."

That's just cold blooded.

[JustinP]

sup Ace Combat 6
sup Beautiful Katamari
sup Ridge Raer 6

Namco know what they're doing. Since I have a well paying job I like being able to buy extra content for my games. If Idolmaster was released here I'd buy plenty of it's DLC.

The people complaining about it are filthy poors yet still clamour to buy the next remake of a shitty Nintendo game or terrible PS3 port.

Whether it's on the disc or not is irrelevant. When I bought my car there was a slot for cruise control on the dash but it wasn't standard with my car. I didn't cry about it.

Get a second job losers.

there was a slot for cruise control, but cruise control wasn't installed in your car.  this is the key difference.  this stuff was already developed and included in the disc at printing, but they locked it away so they could charge more for it.  it would be like having a GPS navigation unit, cruise control, and a kickass speaker system installed in a new car you buy...  but unless you pay more money, you cannot use any of these features even though they are already there and cost the car maker money. 

having a well paying job obviously doesn't afford you much intelligence in your case.  you're not buying extra content for your game--you're buying the rest of your game. 

yeah, it's the same thing if the content isn't on the disc but was finished with the rest of the game and they hold it back--being on the disc just offers solid proof of their bullshit and puts a big "you're a dumbshit consumer for paying for this" sign on your back. 

[pilonv1]

I'm sorry I don't have the idealistic view of the world where game companies are wonderful caring things who look after the interests of their consumers over their own bottom lines.

If you don't like paying for it then find another hobby.

[laesperanzapaz]

sup Ace Combat 6
sup Beautiful Katamari
sup Ridge Raer 6

Namco know what they're doing. Since I have a well paying job I like being able to buy extra content for my games. If Idolmaster was released here I'd buy plenty of it's DLC.

The people complaining about it are filthy poors yet still clamour to buy the next remake of a shitty Nintendo game or terrible PS3 port.

Whether it's on the disc or not is irrelevant. When I bought my car there was a slot for cruise control on the dash but it wasn't standard with my car. I didn't cry about it.

Get a second job losers.

there was a slot for cruise control, but cruise control wasn't installed in your car.  this is the key difference.  this stuff was already developed and included in the disc at printing, but they locked it away so they could charge more for it.  it would be like having a GPS navigation unit, cruise control, and a kickass speaker system installed in a new car you buy...  but unless you pay more money, you cannot use any of these features even though they are already there and cost the car maker money. 

having a well paying job obviously doesn't afford you much intelligence in your case.  you're not buying extra content for your game--you're buying the rest of your game. 

yeah, it's the same thing if the content isn't on the disc but was finished with the rest of the game and they hold it back--being on the disc just offers solid proof of their bullshit and puts a big "you're a dumbshit consumer for paying for this" sign on your back. 

this is like the first time you said something smart and insightful in this place

congratulations

[JustinP]

It's not really a new idea though, it's just more obvious what's going on when you can see you are paying for a key rather than game data.

Nintendo's been doing it for over a decade. Remember the extra Pokemon that were in the game but could only be unlocked by going to some event like Spaceworld or the latest Pokemon movie?

If consumer's pay, it will keep happening. I think the RRP of games must change if they shift the ratio of unlockable content though.

i think comparing it to the event pokemon is unfair.  more often than not, there was a way to get it for free (assuming you could be at the event).  event pokemon accounted for a VERY small number of special pokemon that weren't required to complete your pokedex.  finding, trading, and catching rare pokemon was a key draw of the game and having them distributed at various events around the world just makes them more rare and special--it boosts the trading aspect of the game, which up until DS was offline only. 

in namco's case, you simply have them trying to gouge extra money out of consumers--it serves the company, and i think you'd see even most soul calibur fans agree it's lame even if they buy it.  in pokemon's case, you have a game evolving beyond itself as a game--real world events tie into the game.  they were each like mini-cons, drawing pokemon players together to get the rare pokemon and trade with each other--it serves the fans, and i think you'd see most pokemon fans agree that it's a good thing. 

[MCD]

locking content isn't cool.

i prefer the "cheat" method, too lazy to get X costume? pay to unlock or do it yourself.

[Beezy]

I would care about this if it was something that actually added to the gameplay and not just some costumes.

[JustinP]

I would care about this if it was something that actually added to the gameplay and not just some costumes.

each piece of clothing has it's own set of stats that effect the player's HP, attack, defense, or special skills etc.  you can play a 'standard' match that ignores all these extra stats, but the fact of the matter is that these costumes DO effect gameplay and are more than aesthetic. 

[Beezy]

I'm not the type to create or customize characters though, especially in a fighting game that already has such a huge cast. It's not like they locked away like a gameplay mode or characters. You're not missing out on anything.

[Hollywood]

I'm sorry I don't have the idealistic view of the world where game companies are wonderful caring things who look after the interests of their consumers over their own bottom lines.

If you don't like paying for it then find another hobby.

Any more tired, irrelevant message board cliche's arguments left? You've already scored points with the "get another job to pay for it, I do", "they're companies, you shouldn't expect them to be ethical", and the "if you don't like it, leave"  arguments.

Hey, you're right about the not caring part. But since thats the case, if people don't like paying for it, why not just pirate it then? Accomplishes the same thing, since we're on this level of companies don't care. Seems like the better solution.

[MCD]

yes dcharlie.

all unlockables dlc share the same file size, 108kb.

[Hollywood]

yes dcharlie.

all unlockables dlc share the same file size, 108kb.

ZING

[Himu]

This is kinda why I worry about GTAIV's dlc. I just have a feeling it'll be full of things that should have been in the game in the first place like side content that's NOT just taking people on dates.

[pilonv1]

This is kinda why I worry about GTAIV's dlc. I just have a feeling it'll be full of things that should have been in the game in the first place like side content that's NOT just taking people on dates.

People will be playing Saints Row 2 by then and be too busy with their UFO's full of ninja gang members to care.

[cool breeze]

This is kinda why I worry about GTAIV's dlc. I just have a feeling it'll be full of things that should have been in the game in the first place like side content that's NOT just taking people on dates.

I don't have a big problem with stuff like that.  I thought Shivering Isle for Oblivion was cool because it was basically a PC expansion pack, just smaller and you can download it.  If GTA4 is the same way, then that is cool.  I bought GTA4 on the PS3 and don't really like the game too much, so I don't think I will be missing out on that DLC, but I'm certainly not against it.

Plus, to include the supposed lengthy DLC on the disk would mean holding up development time.  It isn't like they just sit on it.  And who knows, maybe they read criticism (unlikely with all the OMG GODFATHER 10/10 PEE ON ME! shit out there) and going to make this DLC actually fun!

[demi]

Doubt they would just release a bunch of totally new stuff that didn't fit into the current engine.

Yeah, that would totally like, probably make the game like better and actually good

[chronovore]

The 2K Sports titles have been bit by this a little; the Reel Maker feature which allows players to create highlight reels, edit them, etc. was DLC the first time it was included. People were stoked to pay for it as an add-on. Shortly thereafter it was included in another title; I'm remembering NBA first, then NCAA or somesuch.

Someone noticed that the size of the DLC in the 2nd title was only 108KB, meaning the application was already on the disc. Whoops.

However, honestly, if there was only 3 or 4 months difference between the titles, why should people who bought the earlier released title have to pay for something which the (barely) later title includes for free?

Honestly, if I was faced with this, even if I COULD include the feature on the ROM, I'd probably make people download the full thing just to avoid the accusation.

[Bocsius]

Why consoles never should have had internet connectivity, volume MMCLXII.

[chronovore]

It would be even better if we could get the consoles to be powered by the tears of disillusioned children.

[Eel O'Brian]

then the wii would be 10x more powerful than ps3 or 360

[Kestastrophe]

this is why these arguments about DLC always fall to shit.

someone will always extrapolate the shitty cases out.

See loltaku: http://kotaku.com/5033552/xbox-live-dlc-has-raked-in-240-million

Dude needs a foot-long dick slapping

[DJ_Tet]

Sucks, why hasn't gameshark/whatever hacking device is out there now been able to 'unlock' this content that ships on the disk?

I wouldn't hesitate for a minute to use one or alternately pirate that content if it was an option.  Paying for things on the disc is a slap in the face.