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http://ps3.ign.com/articles/897/897091p1.html

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The water effects look much slicker, as do many of the environments as they are slowly submerged in water. It's quite obvious that 2K is taking full advantage of the PS3's Blu-ray discs to pack in cleaner high resolution textures for every facet of the game

So is whatever RAM advantage the 360 possesses being hampered by DVD format as PS3 development environment gets better?

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Re: DVD is not Enough: Bioshock PS3 to look Superior b/c of Bluray
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2008, 04:49:21 PM »
This is unfortunate.

PS3 makes everything else so difficult that it's just unfortunate the hard work is paying off.

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Re: DVD is not Enough: Bioshock PS3 to look Superior b/c of Bluray
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2008, 04:55:19 PM »
lol ign
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Re: DVD is not Enough: Bioshock PS3 to look Superior b/c of Bluray
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2008, 05:15:15 PM »
Why not just get it for PC?
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Re: DVD is not Enough: Bioshock PS3 to look Superior b/c of Bluray
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2008, 05:15:52 PM »
Why not just get it for PC?

maybe they don't have a decent gaming pc?
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Re: DVD is not Enough: Bioshock PS3 to look Superior b/c of Bluray
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2008, 05:19:06 PM »
PS3 is a texture beast
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Re: DVD is not Enough: Bioshock PS3 to look Superior b/c of Bluray
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2008, 05:19:36 PM »
yeah, it's nothing to do with the extra year development time
i knew i'd see this line :lol

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Re: DVD is not Enough: Bioshock PS3 to look Superior b/c of Bluray
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2008, 05:20:30 PM »
Why not just get it for PC?

maybe they don't have a decent gaming pc?

What good are they then?
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Re: DVD is not Enough: Bioshock PS3 to look Superior b/c of Bluray
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2008, 05:24:18 PM »
Why not just get it for PC?

The PC uses DVDs too. It can't support slicker water effects.  :'( Budget media format  :'(
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Re: DVD is not Enough: Bioshock PS3 to look Superior b/c of Bluray
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2008, 05:25:19 PM »
Blu Ray makes water look better.

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Re: DVD is not Enough: Bioshock PS3 to look Superior b/c of Bluray
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2008, 05:27:51 PM »
i knew i'd see this line :lol

I don't understand this. It seems pretty logical to me that a game that was finished a full year ago would see some kind of benefits from tech advancements and optimization. If you are arguing about the financial incentive to do so, I could see that.
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Re: DVD is not Enough: Bioshock PS3 to look Superior b/c of Bluray
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2008, 05:29:42 PM »
Hey, good news for PS3 owners who haven't played Bioshock. Not sure why in the hell everything has to be dragged into the system wars trenches though.

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« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2008, 05:31:59 PM »
yeah, it's nothing to do with the extra year development time, it's more to do with disk space.

also - "Cleaner textures" probably is a nod at "smoother textures" ;)


Most of that time is probably spent porting it to the wacky ass PS3 hardware.  Water apparently getting improved in some way is a benefit I guess.  Inferior console version of superior PC games and all that.

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Re: DVD is not Enough: Bioshock PS3 to look Superior b/c of Bluray
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2008, 05:35:05 PM »
i knew i'd see this line :lol

I don't understand this. It seems pretty logical to me that a game that was finished a full year ago would see some kind of benefits from tech advancements and optimization. If you are arguing about the financial incentive to do so, I could see that.
it's just amusing when people make excuses like this.  this isn't at all confirmed so i'd rather not get into an actual discussion over it until more details are known.  i wouldn't be surprised to see an official statement denying it. 

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Re: DVD is not Enough: Bioshock PS3 to look Superior b/c of Bluray
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2008, 05:47:51 PM »
Hey, good news for PS3 owners who haven't played Bioshock. Not sure why in the hell everything has to be dragged into the system wars trenches though.
What else of interest could possibly come from this news?

Better textures, ooh, ahh, they're so high res, man I can't wait to see them. Oooh. Aaaaah.

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« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2008, 05:50:26 PM »
Given that the memory limits of the machines are the same (minus OS overheads) , i'd have thought BR would result in texture -variance- which seems infinitely more likely than texture -resolution- changing given you've got to load it up into the same memory area.

Bingo.
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« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2008, 05:51:11 PM »
Why not just get it for PC?
PC version uses X360 textures, yeah? PS3 version superior to both. Wow just wow.

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Re: DVD is not Enough: Bioshock PS3 to look Superior b/c of Bluray
« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2008, 05:53:21 PM »
Hey, good news for PS3 owners who haven't played Bioshock. Not sure why in the hell everything has to be dragged into the system wars trenches though.
What else of interest could possibly come from this news?

Better textures, ooh, ahh, they're so high res, man I can't wait to see them. Oooh. Aaaaah.

Uh, how about sticking with what I said? Good news for PS3 owners who haven't played Bioshock, because they get a good looking version of the game. Blithering on about Blu-Ray advantage seems fucking pointless, and quite daft.

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« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2008, 05:54:37 PM »
Hey, good news for PS3 owners who haven't played Bioshock. Not sure why in the hell everything has to be dragged into the system wars trenches though.
What else of interest could possibly come from this news?

Better textures, ooh, ahh, they're so high res, man I can't wait to see them. Oooh. Aaaaah.

Uh, how about sticking with what I said? Good news for PS3 owners who haven't played Bioshock, because they get a good looking version of the game. Blithering on about Blu-Ray advantage seems fucking pointless, and quite daft.

Uh, wow, good news for PS3 owners. Lock the thread. What the fuck is the matter with you? You're here all the time, I know you know how to forum. Daft indeed.

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Re: DVD is not Enough: Bioshock PS3 to look Superior b/c of Bluray
« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2008, 05:59:46 PM »
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it's just amusing when people make excuses like this.

why is it an excuse? I don't believe anything was particularly cut back in Bioshock X360 , and i don't recall any nasty low res texturing. Given that the memory limits of the machines are the same (minus OS overheads) , i'd have thought BR would result in texture -variance- which seems infinitely more likely than texture -resolution- changing given you've got to load it up into the same memory area.

Some new filter work maybe.

Geh, we shall see - when does this actually come out?
it certainly wouldn't be the first game to be limited by DVD's storage space.  at this point, though, i have doubts the textures are even higher resolution at all.  especially if the PC version's max settings were comparable to 360, like draft claims. 
« Last Edit: August 07, 2008, 06:04:53 PM by JustinP »

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« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2008, 06:06:43 PM »
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it certainly wouldn't be the first game to be limited by DVD's storage space.  at this point, though, i have doubts the textures are even higher resolution at all.  especially if the PC version's max settings were comparable to 360, like draft claims. 


i believe bioshock clocks in at around 5gb, so i doubt it had to have it's texture quality culled to fit in on a disk.

but yeah, i'm not offended by the idea that you could possibly get better texturing if you did hit the DVD limit and had to slash memory usage of textures, but the idea of "well, BR = bigger, therefore amazing high res texturing!" is being thrown about a bit by a number of sources and it seems off the mark.


i wouldn't disagree with that. 

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« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2008, 06:14:16 PM »
bioshock devs better at ps3 development then kojima and insomniac confirmed.

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« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2008, 06:19:40 PM »
are they charging full price for this

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seems so

that's kind of janky

you can get it all day long on 360 and pc for $30

if all i owned was a ps3 i'd be pissed about year-old ports for full price all the time
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« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2008, 06:25:21 PM »
TT?
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« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2008, 06:27:26 PM »
oh, ha, i'm a tard

still though, even $49.99 would be more reasonable
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« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2008, 06:35:00 PM »
Maybe I'm a dumb, but doesn't the quality of a texture depend on the system's RAM, and not storage space?

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« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2008, 06:42:19 PM »
yeah, it's nothing to do with the extra year development time, it's more to do with disk space.

also - "Cleaner textures" probably is a nod at "smoother textures" ;)

So John Carmack just needs an extra year of development time, maybe?

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Re: DVD is not Enough: Bioshock PS3 to look Superior b/c of Bluray
« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2008, 06:51:53 PM »
when do us real gamers get Bioshock 2?
Bioshock really does feel like an -age- ago.


It was sort of an old game.

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« Reply #28 on: August 07, 2008, 06:54:54 PM »
"well, BR = bigger, therefore amazing high res texturing!" is being thrown about a bit by a number of sources and it seems off the mark.

It's the source that bothers me. What the fuck does IGN know about this? Praise the developer for doing a good job (even if it took a while), but I don't think IGN is in a position to determine why things are the way they are.

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« Reply #29 on: August 07, 2008, 06:59:42 PM »
a lot of the ign dudes are legitimately stupid

on the three red lights podcast, nate ahearn swore up and down that we fought the russians in world war two
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« Reply #30 on: August 07, 2008, 07:01:51 PM »
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So John Carmack just needs an extra year of development time, maybe?

no, John Carmack's case is different to this one.

Carmack needs to reduce total -game- size to get the game to fit on two disk, culling the textures/dropping the sound quality is an option if the fees are inhibitive. Putting the game on 3 disks will see it be identical in terms of looks to the PS3 version.  The PS3 doesn't have the same issue due to BR and installs.

In Bioshocks case, having the extra space nets you very little - the texture fidelity was already there - so i'd say the only thing they are maybe changing is either possibly dropping in some new textures that they improved (art wise), or adding new filters, shaders, etc. All of which would be down to having time and would not be as a result of disk space.

Oh alright, cool. Thanks for the explanation.

Kudos on John Carmark for working with what he's got.

He didn't need an extra year of development time like the whole team at 2K, and 2K has help from like two other studios. Embarrassing.

2K should just feel their manhoods cheap and cut off their own heads or throw themselves on a sword. They are a disgrace to developers like Carmack everywhere.
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« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2008, 07:02:18 PM »
a lot of the ign dudes are legitimately stupid

on the three red lights podcast, nate ahearn swore up and down that we fought the russians in world war two

seriously?

no, John Carmack's case is different to this one.

Carmack needs to reduce total -game- size to get the game to fit on two disk, culling the textures/dropping the sound quality is an option if the fees are inhibitive. Putting the game on 3 disks will see it be identical in terms of looks to the PS3 version.  The PS3 doesn't have the same issue due to BR and installs.

I think there was also an issue on how to break the game up for multiple disks.  And even if Carmack just got the 'ok' to install on 360, that would be the best option.

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« Reply #32 on: August 07, 2008, 07:05:02 PM »
yes

he backpedalled after goldstein and the others gave him much hilarious shit about it
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« Reply #33 on: August 07, 2008, 07:10:53 PM »
there's no reason to believe that the textures have changed until someone besides ign says so -- and in truth it's more likely that they've been downscaled

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« Reply #34 on: August 07, 2008, 07:20:51 PM »
in truth it's more likely that they've been downscaled

Yeah, I agree. 2K ain't no Naughty Dog is all I'm saying.

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« Reply #35 on: August 07, 2008, 07:36:18 PM »
uncharted > bioshock

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« Reply #36 on: August 07, 2008, 07:39:14 PM »
uncharted does have better textures

my feelings on bioshock are well recorded.


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« Reply #37 on: August 07, 2008, 07:41:24 PM »
my feelings on bioshock are that i'm never going to finish it but i can't sell it because i'd feel vaguely guilty

also i bought the special edition like an idiot

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« Reply #38 on: August 07, 2008, 07:44:46 PM »
Uncharted was far more consistently good than Bioshock, but the highs of Bioshock are far better than the highs of Uncharted
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« Reply #39 on: August 07, 2008, 07:59:11 PM »
i think bioshock's highs are really front loaded :\

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« Reply #40 on: August 07, 2008, 08:02:19 PM »
Yeah, definitely front-loaded. Similar to The Dark Knight.

drohne's post reminds me I NEED TO GET GTA4 THE FUCK OUT OF MY HOUSE
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« Reply #41 on: August 07, 2008, 08:09:00 PM »
this reminds me of UT3.

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« Reply #42 on: August 07, 2008, 08:11:33 PM »
Bioshock was masterful in its presentation of a marvelous, contained game world. It excelled in atmosphere, and the characters were quite great. But I will never understand where critics and gamers alike could justify the nearly unanimous praise of the game as a whole, as well as of its every part. Supposedly professional game critics, people who you'd imagine would have good bearings on events in the industry, hailed it as groundbreaking, and nearly flawless. This despite the character/skill growth component and the sense of real choice really being a step back from previous games from the same mold. The actual shooting felt similarly ancient, made interesting strictly based on the odd interesting gun and ability, and a decent gallery of enemies.

Generally, it felt like the game could have probably been cut down by about 60%; multiple instances of the same type of scene (lights go out, enemies attack, that worked the first time) really made it this quite clear.

Very good game though, and I'd recommend it for atmosphere. But the critical and gamer reception made me wonder when these people really started playing games.

edit: The hell, Uncharted vs Bioshock? What in the hell do these games have in common? I guess the similarity is that they are both very good at what they do, only what they do is nowhere near as groundbreaking as some would claim.

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« Reply #43 on: August 07, 2008, 08:13:43 PM »
see also:  GTA4
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« Reply #44 on: August 07, 2008, 08:16:30 PM »
Uncharted is a really good looking game.

Bioshock was the best game of the year it released in.

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« Reply #45 on: August 07, 2008, 08:18:49 PM »
Uncharted was far more consistently good than Bioshock, but the highs of Bioshock are far better than the highs of Uncharted

I agree with this.  That is actually sums up my thoughts on Uncharted, because it is just an incredibly solid game.  Not the best game ever, or better than Bioshock, but it was consistently interesting for me.  It is a rare thing these days to have a game that is great from start to finish without any blemishes.

I thought Bioshock was amazing.  I actually bought it on Steam for $15 a week or two ago so I can replay it on PC this time.  Biggest problem with the game is that they kept going, and that just dragged the entire game down.  The game should have ended with
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« Reply #46 on: August 07, 2008, 08:28:25 PM »
without vitachambers i probably wouldn't have finished the game
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« Reply #47 on: August 07, 2008, 08:35:07 PM »
Hey, good news for PS3 owners who haven't played Bioshock. Not sure why in the hell everything has to be dragged into the system wars trenches though.
This

Everyone should enjoy this game

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« Reply #48 on: August 07, 2008, 08:39:45 PM »
Really? I actually think Uncha spikes in terms of suckiness a number of times-- the jet ski parts are so undercooked, some of the gun battles are really challenging out of nowhere, etc.-- though I guess that's still more consistent than Bioshock's warmed over gunplay and six fetch quests.

Uncha's good parts are really great though. The onrails shooting, the fortress, the customs house, the chapel. so fucking awesome.
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« Reply #49 on: August 07, 2008, 08:43:17 PM »
Shit, when people start talking about the chapel, I start wondering what Naughty Dog is going to be able to do with Blu-Ray on their next game.

They might give Rage a run for its money.

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« Reply #50 on: August 07, 2008, 08:44:04 PM »
The Jet Ski parts didn't bother me because they were really short in length.  And as someone who is a selective graphic whore, those sequences looked really good.  Even the bits with the
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I do agree that at times the game gets incredibly hard.  I will never attempt crushing in the game (although the cheat menu is cool since you can automatically equip yourself with whatever you want, but only between battles).  The church with all those snipers was really tough when I first played it. 

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« Reply #51 on: August 07, 2008, 08:48:48 PM »
That sort of bothered me. I love vehicle segments for some reason, so I was hoping they'd be a little more involved. The second segment had it right with "hold r1 for auto lockon" instead of stop and shoot, but it also had the GOING UPSTREAM AHH
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« Reply #52 on: August 07, 2008, 08:49:40 PM »
I wanted to pee on Uncharted after
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But peeing on something tends to decrease its resale value, so I just sold it instead. Never finished it.  :(

Very engaging, well designed game though. And I had a hard time dealing with people calling it generic. Not only did the overall quality and consistently high production values elevate it pretty high up on the action game curve, but what in the hell is generic about a good action adventure game these days anyway? It wasn't a groundbreaking masterpiece in any way, but it was definitely at the top shelf of action adventure games.


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« Reply #53 on: August 07, 2008, 08:55:49 PM »
the jetski parts would have been better if they let you move/shoot at the same time, but i still enjoyed them quite a bit.  mixed things up.  

and uncharted's challenge was part of why it was the best game i had played in a while.  i played on hard the first time through.  the AI was agressive and you had to worry about more than your aiming -- tactically observing your environment and managing spacial position was a huge part of survival.  

my biggest hope for the sequel is that they incorporate the platforming into the combat more.  the first game was more or less divided into platforming or action segments, but the superior cover/platforming system in uncharted has a ton of potential they can exploit.  uncharted was the first time you had that level of interactivity with your environment in a shooter.  you could climb on things and shoot from all sorts of positions, potentially creating sneaky surprise attacks--but the opportunity and necessity of this mechanic was rare.  infamous seems to be taking more advantage of this concept and i hope uncharted 2 can recognize this potential strength.  

visually, uncharted is still way up there for console games.  the texture blending is unmatched--i would often take my time just looking at the walls, trying (but failing) to find repeated textures.  
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« Reply #54 on: August 07, 2008, 09:04:26 PM »
From Bioshock PS3 to Uncharted sequel in 2 pages.

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« Reply #55 on: August 07, 2008, 09:04:40 PM »
the texture blending is unmatched--i would often take my time just looking at the walls, trying (but failing) to find repeated textures.  
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« Reply #56 on: August 07, 2008, 09:08:08 PM »
the texture blending is unmatched--i would often take my time just looking at the walls, trying (but failing) to find repeated textures.  
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Re: DVD is not Enough: Bioshock PS3 to look Superior b/c of Bluray
« Reply #57 on: August 07, 2008, 09:08:42 PM »
Uncharted's difficulty is weird though. The shooting doesn't give you the same sensation as a Gears or Halo where you are shooting a heavy weapon. There's like no autoaim at all in Uncharted and you are working with much more, er, "nimble" weaponry. Everything feels like it has to be very precise. And I do find the AI to be aggressive and impressive, honestly.

The precision is kind of an positive trait, but it leads to some very frustrating deaths.

Uncha is really the prettiest game I've ever played on a console.
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Re: DVD is not Enough: Bioshock PS3 to look Superior b/c of Bluray
« Reply #58 on: August 07, 2008, 09:09:15 PM »
I liked the jetski part.  What I didn't like about Uncharted was the fact that early on I was like "man what's coming next this is pretty awesome" only to be dissapointed when what was next was just more guys.  and monsters.

I kind of expected that when I thought it was supposed to be a Shooter/Platformer/Adventure game, only to find out that the last two were scratched out at some point.  Also, I kind of wish there were more situations when using your fists would have been a good option.  I liked the hand to hand stuff in Uncharted.  Hopefully if they do make an Uncharted 2, is isn't a straight shooter anymore.  I want to do some adventuring. 

And yeah, the guns in Uncharted didn't feel too powerful (except the magnum), but I did like how, at least for a while, the enemies weren't bullet sponges.  Shooting an enemy at least would get them to stop or something, and one bullet to the head would kill them. 
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Re: DVD is not Enough: Bioshock PS3 to look Superior b/c of Bluray
« Reply #59 on: August 07, 2008, 09:09:37 PM »
From Bioshock PS3 to Uncharted sequel in 2 pages.

:bow EB :bow2

:bow DCharlie manipulates us all masterfully once again :bow2

"Uncharted was the first time you had that level of interactivity with your environment in a shooter. "

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