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Naomi Klein interview at AV Club :bow
« on: August 12, 2008, 10:18:34 AM »
http://www.avclub.com/content/interview/naomi_klein

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I'm really not advancing a "great man" theory of history, or some idea of a back-door conspiracy, I just think this is the way history works. After the market crash in 1929, the tide really did turn in favor of the middle class and workers. We saw a period over 30 to 40 years where the middle class rose to unprecedented levels in the United States, but not just in the United States, in any country that adopted these types of policies. And it really did work, in terms of creating class mobility. But it really did eat into profits and this stage that we've been living in since Reagan is really about the people in the highest income brackets saying, "We want our New Deal. We don't want to share so much." The basic demands of this counterrevolution, or this revolt of the elites, have all been about taking back those gains—breaking unions, being able to pay lower wages, having the freedom to scour the world for the lowest wages—and it's really been a liberation movement—the liberation of capital from all constraints.

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With the U.S., in terms of why it is so incredibly easy to take advantage of a moment of crisis is because this is such an amnesiac culture. More than being an amnesiac culture, it's a culture that makes amnesia a point of pride—the idea that you can reinvent yourself, that you have no history, that you have no past. It's really a culture that's been at war with memory since its inception. It sees memory as baggage. So, to be a little less optimistic here for a minute [Laughs], I do think until historical memory, including the bad parts, is something that's valued in the United States and amnesia is no longer fetishized, these patterns will repeat. Because people without memory are putty.

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NK: I want Obama to win over McCain. It's not that complicated for me. My concern about this political moment is the extent to which the Obama campaign sucks up all the political oxygen on the progressive end of the spectrum. I don't think there really is an anti-war movement in the United States anymore. I think there is a pro-Obama movement. There's this idea that elections are a moment when you really talk about politics, but actually what they do is they defer politics and you're constantly told, "We'll talk about that after the election. First, we have to beat McCain!"

Also, she's kind of cute for a economic braniac leftist AMERICA HATING COMMIE:
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Re: Naomi Klein interview at AV Club :bow
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2008, 11:03:53 AM »
I would totally bone her senseless.  Oh yeah and she's like totally right about everything.  HOT.  SMART.  LEFTIST.  But I think she shaves her pits and legs so she's not revolting and shit.
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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2008, 11:09:26 AM »
I would totally bone her senseless.  Oh yeah and she's like totally right about everything.  HOT.  SMART.  LEFTIST.  But I think she shaves her pits and legs so she's not revolting and shit.

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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2008, 11:20:09 AM »
I would totally bone her senseless.  Oh yeah and she's like totally right about everything.  HOT.  SMART.  LEFTIST.  But I think she shaves her pits and legs so she's not revolting and shit.

Hot?  She has a case of horse head going on.  And it will take at least 2 surgeries to make that nose no longer be an affront to nasal aesthetics.  I'm guessing you commies just have low standards.
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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2008, 11:24:03 AM »
have you seen the cabbage field workers?
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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2008, 11:26:26 AM »
pfff she's not even american

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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2008, 11:27:11 AM »
have you seen the cabbage field workers?

Yeah, I guess relatively speaking, she isn't that bad.  But still, her face could totally use a Great Leap Forward or Cultural Revolution or two.
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« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2008, 11:44:21 AM »
have you seen the cabbage field workers?

Yeah, I guess relatively speaking, she isn't that bad.  But still, her face could totally use a Great Leap Forward or Cultural Revolution or two.

i'd give her a red october, that's two in the pinko and one in the stinko
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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2008, 12:44:56 PM »
i'm glad that we only focus on what's truley important here at evilbore :american
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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2008, 09:25:31 PM »
She didn't really say anything too insightful.
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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2008, 09:26:43 PM »
the jonathan chait review @ tnr was pretty harsh, but not entirely unwarranted. she does have some pretty shaky evidence
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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2008, 10:16:26 PM »
I'm reading one of her books right now.  She's not a bad speaker.  Saw her speak live not to long ago.

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« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2008, 11:44:56 PM »
she does have some pretty shaky evidence

would you care to elaborate?
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« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2008, 01:28:54 AM »
go to tnr.com and read jonathan chait's review of her new book: http://www.tnr.com/story.html?id=69067f1c-d089-474b-a8a0-945d1deb420b
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« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2008, 09:50:51 AM »
I would totally bone her senseless.  Oh yeah and she's like totally right about everything.  HOT.  SMART.  LEFTIST.  But I think she shaves her pits and legs so she's not revolting and shit.

Yeah but does she shave her muff ???
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« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2008, 10:12:08 AM »
go to tnr.com and read jonathan chait's review of her new book: http://www.tnr.com/story.html?id=69067f1c-d089-474b-a8a0-945d1deb420b


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Wow. Klein's an absolute cunt. Imagine your grandfather's a douche-bag union leader. And your father's a chicken-shit draft dodger who went to Canada on "moral principles. " You yourself are some worthless cunt whose sole purpose for years was to follow the WTO and burn down McDonald's. I'd absolutely kill myself. A dungpile like this family has no moral compass - no heroes. Everything is flipped around. Does Klein knit her own shit or grow her own veggie burgers? If not, she should shut the hell up. If she wants to put her money where her mouth is, opt out of this capitalist society and move to Venezuela or Cuba. Skank ho. I'm sorry, people like this scum really drive me up the wall.

I think the issue is that Naomi Klein probably overextended herself with Shock Doctrine.  The Harper's Article is great however and If you haven't had a chance to read it and are interested let me know.
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« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2008, 10:19:31 AM »
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I think the issue is that Naomi Klein probably overextended herself with Shock Doctrine.  The Harper's Article is great however and If you haven't had a chance to read it and are interested let me know.

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« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2008, 10:29:02 AM »
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« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2008, 01:55:15 PM »
the jonathan chait review @ tnr was pretty harsh, but not entirely unwarranted. she does have some pretty shaky evidence

After reading the article, that seems to be an understatement. I guess that's what happens when someone tries to explain all world events using a single theory.

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« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2008, 02:41:22 PM »
go to tnr.com and read jonathan chait's review of her new book: http://www.tnr.com/story.html?id=69067f1c-d089-474b-a8a0-945d1deb420b
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Devastating criticism, nice link.
Though he does go a bit far in defending administration conflicts of interest.

Her Harper's article is interesting and contains some good observations, but she makes a number of tenuous assertions.  It might be better if she left some of the theory out, as it makes her arguments very closed minded.  Everything is bent to fit her theory.

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I just read her Harper's article, which is pretty informative, showing the various ways the US government has privatized key services. However, she sounds downright conspiratorial at times.

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The homeland-security sector is also becoming increasingly integrated with media corporations, a development that has Orwellian implications. . . . General Electric, which owns NBC, purchased InVision, the major producer of controversial high-tech bomb-detection devices used in airports and other public spaces.

InVision received a staggering $15 billion in homeland-security contracts between 2001 and 2006, more of such contracts than any other company.

The creeping expansion of the disaster-capitalism complex into the media may prove to be a new kind of corporate synergy, one building on the vertical integration that became so popular in the Nineties. It certainly makes sound business sense. The more panicked our societies become, convinced that there are terrorists lurking in every mosque, the higher the news ratings soar, the more biometric IDs and liquid-explosive-detection devices the complex sells, and the more high-tech fences it builds.

In plain language, she's suggesting that General Electric, a corporation with nearly a trillion dollars in assets, might manipulate the news of one of its divisions just to sell some airport scanners. By using a hollow hedge--"may prove to be"--she doesn't have to provide any evidence that this is or will be the case. She just has to make a link and then create a fantastical hypothetical. Look, GE also makes wind turbines and railway locomotives. If a global-warming denier used this fact to claim that NBC may be manipulating its news converge of climate-change just to sell some wind turbines and trains, he or she would be be rightly dismissed as a crank.


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« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2008, 06:59:42 PM »
Conspiracies seem more plausible with these multinationals because they have their fingers in a lot of pies.  So it is easier to thread together a conspiracy.  That is pretty much the only reason, that and an active imagination.

Klein just states what everyone knows deep down, that we're seeing the middle class dissolve.  In its place, you have the upper class, the working class, and the lower class.  It is just like how it was in the 19th and early 20th centuries.  Not surprising, in 20-30 years, economic issues will be at the forefront.  They aren't now because too many Americans have it too well.  John Edwards campaign though has got the ball rolling about bringing poverty issues to the forefront, which have been on the backburner since Nixon.
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« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2008, 08:39:49 PM »
without a middle class who will buy all the bullshit the lower class makes?
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« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2008, 08:53:15 PM »
without a middle class who will buy all the bullshit the lower class makes?

Europeans, Japanese, and other people.  Since the dollar has weakened, US exports have risen.

It is interesting to go into a "Levittown" that still remains and see just how tiny the homes actually were.  This was considered decent living for the middle class 60 years ago.  Now, it seems like nothing less than a McMansion is considered desirable or decent.  What is "essential" for the middle class today is probably what a lot of the upper class would consider normal in the 1940s and 1950s.
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« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2008, 08:55:19 PM »
Also, she's kind of cute for a economic braniac leftist AMERICA HATING COMMIE:

She's Canadian, too.  :cancry

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