Civ IV has ruined my life again

[pilonv1]

Up till very late last night playing a huge epic game with as many civs as I could. Im at work with very little sleep and its hurting  :'(

But now I'm back in to the swing of things my next one will be a marathon game  The joy I get from devouring other civs by culture is unmatched.

[archie4208]

Might I suggest some rehabilitation options?

http://www.civanon.org/

[Great Rumbler]

Stay far away from Europa Universalis.

[pilonv1]

I have EU3+expansion installed too.

And the Football Manager Live Beta. I'm royally fucked

[Great Rumbler]

I have EU3+expansion installed too.

And the Football Manager Live Beta. I'm royally fucked

It was nice knowing you.  :'(

[Eric P]

I have EU3+expansion installed too.

And the Football Manager Live Beta. I'm royally fucked

i tried to get into the pro cycling manager, but i didn't know enough about the strategy and there wasn't a tutorial

[pilonv1]

i want to try pro cycling manager.

what do you actually do in it?

[Mupepe]

Civ III and Civ IV ruin my life at least twice a year.

[Eric P]

i want to try pro cycling manager.

what do you actually do in it?

I didn't get too deep into it, but essentially you would manage a team, and then during races provide strategy to win like press, draft and the like

I don't know a lot about pro cycling but I was hoping I could enjoy the game without that sort of knowledge (like how I like winning 11, but don't really watch soccer)

[WrikaWrek]

Never played Civ.

Should i try Civ4? Where shoud i start, expansions etc, give me the low down.

[Fragamemnon]

Never played Civ.

Should i try Civ4? Where shoud i start, expansions etc, give me the low down.

start with civ4, straight up no expansions. do the tutorial, start a game on something like chieftan, and reference the manual whenever you hit a concept you don't understand.
 
after playing a hundred turns or so (this doesn't take too long, couple of hours), read the documented posted in the first post on this thread;

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=165632

And you're on your way to being a good civ player.

[WrikaWrek]

Thanks. I'm going in then.

[Candyflip]

Never played Civ.

Should i try Civ4? Where shoud i start, expansions etc, give me the low down.

start with civ4, straight up no expansions. do the tutorial, start a game on something like chieftan, and reference the manual whenever you hit a concept you don't understand.
 
after playing a hundred turns or so (this doesn't take too long, couple of hours), read the documented posted in the first post on this thread;

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=165632

And you're on your way to being a good civ player.

That forum made me fully appreciate the complexity and denseness of Civ. I actually dropped this game for a while because once I really got into it I was overwhelmed with bouts of OCD. I would seriously spend 30-45 minutes just regenerating the map until I was happy with my starting area. That actually takes the fun out of it I guess, although it is really unsatisfying sinking two hours into a game before finding out that the only resources within 100 tiles are bananas and paper. I don't know how to approach this game without ripping my hair out over spending ridiculous amounts of time on making even the slightest decision. Then again, I was never that great of a player to begin with, so that might have had something to do with it.

I think I'll reinstall it lol

[Fragamemnon]

That forum made me fully appreciate the complexity and denseness of Civ. I actually dropped this game for a while because once I really got into it I was overwhelmed with bouts of OCD. I would seriously spend 30-45 minutes just regenerating the map until I was happy with my starting area. That actually takes the fun out of it I guess, although it is really unsatisfying sinking two hours into a game before finding out that the only resources within 100 tiles are bananas and paper. I don't know how to approach this game without ripping my hair out over spending ridiculous amounts of time on making even the slightest decision. Then again, I was never that great of a player to begin with, so that might have had something to do with it.

I think I'll reinstall it lol

I use a mod to automatically generate maps,  evaulate the start point, save the game file if it is good, and then regenerate more maps. I then pick from the ones that it saved and start my game. It makes playing higher level Civ4 possible without totally stacking the deck in your favor.

http://hof.civfanatics.net/civ4/mod.php?show=mapfinder

This is just for random/HOF play though. Really, if you want to go balls to the wall with Civ you need to sign up and start participating in the Realms Beyond Civ contests:

http://realmsbeyond.net/civ/

[Candyflip]

Oh wow, that mapfinder thing is awesome. The scenarios in the latter link look like a great way to get some practice, too. Thanks for the links.

Out of curiosity what's the highest difficulty you are able to win on consistently? I'm dumbfounded at the scaling of intensity. If there is anything that will guarantee me endless amounts of replay it will be this; if I remember right I was struggling with the AI on Prince

[Fragamemnon]

Oh wow, that mapfinder thing is awesome. The scenarios in the latter link look like a great way to get some practice, too. Thanks for the links.

Out of curiosity what's the highest difficulty you are able to win on consistently? I'm dumbfounded at the scaling of intensity. If there is anything that will guarantee me endless amounts of replay it will be this; if I remember right I was struggling with the AI on Prince

I can consistently win on Emperor. Anything higher and it's a crapshoot, often determined by starting location, which leader I rolled since I always play random leaders, and if I have a easy conquest nearby.

The thing that kills most people on Prince and above is city specialization and how to properly manage a midgame economy. they'll be doing fine through most of the classical era and then stall out a bit in the medieval period.

[Brehvolution]

Oh wow, that mapfinder thing is awesome. The scenarios in the latter link look like a great way to get some practice, too. Thanks for the links.

Out of curiosity what's the highest difficulty you are able to win on consistently? I'm dumbfounded at the scaling of intensity. If there is anything that will guarantee me endless amounts of replay it will be this; if I remember right I was struggling with the AI on Prince

I can consistently win on Emperor. Anything higher and it's a crapshoot, often determined by starting location, which leader I rolled since I always play random leaders, and if I have a easy conquest nearby.

The thing that kills most people on Prince and above is city specialization and how to properly manage a midgame economy. they'll be doing fine through most of the classical era and then stall out a bit in the medieval period.

Jesus H... how? Do you only build up like 4 cities?

[Fragamemnon]

Oh wow, that mapfinder thing is awesome. The scenarios in the latter link look like a great way to get some practice, too. Thanks for the links.

Out of curiosity what's the highest difficulty you are able to win on consistently? I'm dumbfounded at the scaling of intensity. If there is anything that will guarantee me endless amounts of replay it will be this; if I remember right I was struggling with the AI on Prince

I can consistently win on Emperor. Anything higher and it's a crapshoot, often determined by starting location, which leader I rolled since I always play random leaders, and if I have a easy conquest nearby.

The thing that kills most people on Prince and above is city specialization and how to properly manage a midgame economy. they'll be doing fine through most of the classical era and then stall out a bit in the medieval period.

Jesus H... how? Do you only build up like 4 cities?

No, of course not. What I mean by specialization is that:

A) Cities are planned for a specific set of functions based up on player need and their surrounding terrain.
B) City improvements and surrounding tile improvements are chosen specifically for those purposes.

For example, I see a city site near some flood plains. I built a city there. Food is plentiful, so I bulid the national epic and run specialists in the city so I generate great people at a really fast clip. Another city, there's a lot of hammers and not much food so I turn it into a unit production town with the Heroic Epic and just spew units like mad from it all game. And so on. When you specialize you spend less time and hammers on non-essential city improvements and more on the essentials to getting and staying ahead.

[Brehvolution]

I see. I'll try that. I was just thinking of how tough it is with barbarians at that level.

[WrikaWrek]

Played like 3 hours straight. Good game.

I built a nation around economics an religion and shit, and now i have buildings, like recent looking buildings, and i have the statue of liberty and shit, but then i have dudes with swords.

I'm looking at other countries and i'm top of the pack, so i decide to open war on one of them just to test things. Yeah, well, they had an army, i didn't. I quit the game.

Gotta start working on that army.

[Crushed]

I got Civ4 for Christmas years back, and being astounded by the thickness of the manual.

Oddly, despite liking Civ-style games, I don't think I ever played it. My brother played it obsessively for months, and I still remember how it took him like a whole day to get past the tutorial.

[pilonv1]

i never knew about city specialisation or stuff like that. i just built shit and tried to take over other cities.

may have to redesign things now

[pilonv1]

i just waste time a lot after work. at work i just post on eb

[WrikaWrek]

I won a space victory.

Meh, don't know if i wanna go throught it again.

[Brehvolution]

Has anyone done a custom game and chose only domination as a victory? How long would that take I wonder.

[pilonv1]

space victory seems too long for me, and i like long games. max civs+huge world+epic length.

[pilonv1]

i think im going to uninstall this tonight, stayed up WAY to late last night fighting off roman and mayan invasions. i managed to bring down their armies (both about 10 catapaults, 10 knights and a bunch of fodder) with a few fortified mustketmen in a few different cities. i spent about 2 hours fighting over one city on the border too.

but i'm at work today and i feel like shit so I think it has to go

[y2kev]

My friend bought Civ Revolution and I was messing around with it, so it got me in the mood to play Civ 3 again. Egypt has felt my wrath twice today.

[pilonv1]

thats what got me back into the PC one - Civ Revo is great for civ noobs but I needed something deeper.

the only problem ive had is that every game in the last week has resulted in 3-4 civs starting a war with me because i wouldn't adopt their religion

[Brehvolution]

Thanks for reminding me.
*boots up civ4 bts*
good bye 4 hours

[y2kev]

civ rev seems to railroad you down the warpath