Ratchet & Clank Quest for Booty is 3.2GB?! :lol

[Van Cruncheon]

the sony set has a strange need to pretend that games approach art, and that they have some deeper merit as a medium -- apparently to the point that they'll discuss the academic differences between sly cooper and ratchet/clank, or scratch their neckbeards over qualities only they can perceive in crap like ico

on the other hand, xbox folks are content to burp and call each other gay and occasionally pretend that they were a marine sharpshooter and/or date strippers

and the ninthings? they're just happy that mommy will play games with them now, even if it means diluting the content of their console of choice into novelty piddle. then again, if i were into fey green elves and star foxes and weeble animal dollhouses as much as them, i'd sell my soul for a life of reduced ostracization, too, no matter how appropriate said ostracization might be

[JustinP]

i don't even like ratchet games.  it wasn't my intention to get drawn into some stupid argument.  but as far as games go,



this is the closest i've seen to pixar (again, as far as games go -- i'm NOT saying ratchet is directly comparable to pixar movies).  yeah, you can probably come up with a few other games to do fun stories well (psychonauts and sly i guess - probably a few more), but presentation was also a big part of my consideration -- just as pixar's visuals are some of the best for movies, ratchet's visuals are probably the best for this type of game (cartoony).  

[cool breeze]

on the other hand, xbox folks are content to burp and call each other gay and occasionally pretend that they were a marine sharpshooter and/or date strippers

Except for Braid, which is apparently high art or something like that.

...

Did we just jump back to discussing when games will look like Toy Story?

[duckman2000]

"(in the context of their specific industries)"

But that's just plain not a sensible argument. Pixar productions are choice productions, excellent in just about every way that the medium grants, and entirely irrespective of categorization or target audience. If you can honestly feel justified in discounting them as "fun little stories," then I honestly wonder if you have seen a whole lot of them.

Why does there always need some sort of justification to be present to be able to enjoy PS3 exclusive games here??
If you enjoy the game, more power to you. damn...

No, see, the problem isn't that. The problem is that Xbots are given far too much freedom to enjoy their Xbot fodder unchallenged.

[Van Cruncheon]

The problem is that Xbots are given far too much freedom to enjoy their Xbot fodder unchallenged.

what are you on about.

[JustinP]

But that's just plain not a sensible argument. Pixar productions are choice productions, excellent in just about every way that the medium grants, and entirely irrespective of categorization or target audience. If you can honestly feel justified in discounting them as "fun little stories," then I honestly wonder if you have seen a whole lot of them.

i don't really care for pixar movies.  

[Oblivion]

I hate these arguments that come up because people tend to use 'story', 'narrative' and 'characterization' interchangeably.

Regardless, I think we can all agree that Mario Galaxy is better than Ratchet and Metal Gear at all 3 of the above.

YA FEEL ME, EVILBORE?

[cool breeze]

what are you on about.

I guess Too Human.

I don't know, but there hasn't been that many really bad 360 games that fans latched on to.

oh, Kameo.  People actually want a sequel to that shit.

[WrikaWrek]

ratchet is basically the pixar movie of the game industry.  fun little stories presented very well (in the context of their specific industries). 

Wat?

Dude, don't say shit like that. At best Ratchet is like...Over the Hedge  or some shit.

Ratchet has nowhere near the quality in this industry to be compared to the quality of Pixar movies in its industry. Geez, this is what annoys me with sfags, stop creating these illusions. fuck

[duckman2000]

I don't know, but there hasn't been that many really bad 360 games that fans latched on to.

oh, Kameo.  People actually want a sequel to that shit.

Anything by Rare, really. Just saying, it's a mighty unbalanced ecosystem here. And instead of hoping like some damned hippie that the savages will suddenly end their un-hippie ways (or, in the case of JustinP, attempt to even things out by shucking a bucket of tar over his own head), you might as well start catapulting the sour anchovies right back from whence they were flung.

[Oblivion]

what are you on about.

oh, Kameo.  People actually want a sequel to that shit.

Well, people want sequels to Ratchet too...

[Van Cruncheon]

I'm not even a proper xbot, but you guys are so easy to troll now that ninthings have retreated to sales>everything else now.

like i've been sayin', the ps3 fans are the new gamecube fans.
- third place in the market (hey, remember the holiday season when cube sales spiked over the xbox?)
- second place for hardware performance
- first-party exclusive obsession
- and most importantly, paranoid and pre-emptive spin doctoring

[WrikaWrek]

what are you on about.

oh, Kameo.  People actually want a sequel to that shit.

Well, people want sequels to Ratchet too...

Not according to sales numbers.

[cool breeze]

what are you on about.

oh, Kameo.  People actually want a sequel to that shit.

Well, people want sequels to Ratchet too...

Ratchet games are actually quite good, and as we have semi-concluded with this thread, doesn't do story and all that stuff well.  Kameo is shit, well, everything.

[duckman2000]

what are you on about.

oh, Kameo.  People actually want a sequel to that shit.

Well, people want sequels to Ratchet too...

Then again, if all the trolls were of this caliber, the sour anchovies would likely never reach beyond the nearest hedge.

what are you on about.

oh, Kameo.  People actually want a sequel to that shit.

Well, people want sequels to Ratchet too...

Not according to sales numbers.

That's better, but it's got a Wiiner tint.

[Oblivion]

Both Ratchet and Kameo are fairly average. 7.5s at best.

[Oblivion]

what are you on about.

oh, Kameo.  People actually want a sequel to that shit.


Well, people want sequels to Ratchet too...

Then again, if all the trolls were of this caliber, the sour anchovies would likely never reach beyond the nearest hedge.

Like you're one to talk. You hold Ratchet in high esteem, yet lambasted Twilight Princess for being mediocre.

Weak Zelda is still >>>>>>>>>>>>> any Ratchet

[WrikaWrek]

That's what you got?

Your spit is so rotten that all you can do is try and pass judgement these days. Guess what, nobody gives a fuck about Ratchet, that shit sold because it was on a 100 million userbase safety net, and i wonder why you didn't get on the asses of people like that 1up dude that hyped the shit out of ratchet and then went to work for Insomniac.

And guess what, Resistance was as shitty as PDZ and was just as guilty of launch standards syndrome, difference is, xbox owners had something to move on to, so suck on that.

See Resistance 2 e3? Omg the video looks so amazing, here's what. You go see those latest Legendary movies, and you tell me what's so different about Resistance 2.

One love breda

[cool breeze]

I would say Ratchet games are an 8 on the misguided review scale most publications use (instead of 5 being average).  I admit that I am a pretty big Ratchet fan and the games are almost like a crack addiction for me.  Kameo is actually a bad game, and I am not gonna cut it any slack for being a launch game or any of that shit either.  Kameo is one the level of third rate platformers made by companies you don't even know of, like Death Jr or Tak or some shit like that.  I would that for Rare, it is somewhere below Grabbed by the Ghoulies and somewhere above Donkey Kong 64.  I would say it was a 5 or 6 on that misguided review scale.  And I don't hate Rare, but I am also not a big fan; And I am actually looking forward to Banjo 360 quite a bit.

[Van Cruncheon]

uhhhh, i am an xfag par excellence, and while i wasn't a big fan of resistance, it was ENTIRE PARSECS better than pdz

[TVC15]

I dig the Ratchet games a lot.  Metroid should have taken a cue from them (but upped the platforming ratio).  Metroid Prime is like throwing up a liter of shit that you accidentally consumed having mistaken it for past due but still consumable Yoohoo.

[WrikaWrek]

uhhhh, i am an xfag par excellence, and while i wasn't a big fan of resistance, it was ENTIRE PARSECS better than pdz

Yeah i went to far out on that one. Pdz is a piece of shit.

But Resistance did suffer from launch syndrome. It's as average of an fps as they come. But yah, pdz is garbage heck i didn't even finish the game.

5 is only average on a purely mathematical scale, by the way, it doesn't have any relation to reality.  Most reviewers use a us school grading system, and the average of all scores is remarkably close to 7.

I think its like that everywhere. It's like the 20 scale, when you get a 10 in an exame, that's not "average", that's a shitty grade.

[cool breeze]

5 is only average on a purely mathematical scale, by the way, it doesn't have any relation to reality.  Most reviewers use a us school grading system, and the average of all scores is remarkably close to 7.

Yeah, which is why I think it is odd.  The actual review scale index for most sites goes with 5 being average/mediocre.  Even that 5.5 that Too Human got isn't considered 'bad', it is considered mediocre, yet people are taking it as being so terrible based on how most reviews are.

Example: http://www.gamespot.com/misc/reviewguidelines.html?tag=review-guidelines

IGN follows this same scale, and I'm pretty sure EGM did because they went away with it for letters.

[TVC15]

I've played all the R&C games to completion minus the PS3 one and the PSP one.  The PSP one I toyed with, and it was well done, but it just didn't grab me.  Plus other things monopolized my PSP time.  The PS3 one was decent enough, but at that point I think the formula was wearing a little bit thin for me.

[AdmiralViscen]

No, see, the problem isn't that. The problem is that Xbots are given far too much freedom to enjoy their Xbot fodder unchallenged.

serious business

[Van Cruncheon]

given the mauling that many xbot sacred cows recieved here -- mass effect and halo 3 in particular -- i have no idea what duckman is on about. late to the 'bore, i suppose!

[cool breeze]

I've played all the R&C games to completion minus the PS3 one and the PSP one.  The PSP one I toyed with, and it was well done, but it just didn't grab me.  Plus other things monopolized my PSP time.  The PS3 one was decent enough, but at that point I think the formula was wearing a little bit thin for me.

It does get really repetitious, and this is actually why I am looking forward to Quest for Booty.  It may only be 3 hours, but they kept talking about how there is more focus on other aspects than just shooting everything over and over.

And I actually think Ratchet Future on PS3 is probably the second best Ratchet after the second one.

That ign scale is inline with a college gradin scale, where you are expected to do good to pass.

Good point there.

[Oblivion]

given the mauling that many xbot sacred cows recieved here -- mass effect and halo 3 in particular -- i have no idea what duckman is on about. late to the 'bore, i suppose!

Halo 3? Fo real? Maybe on the visual front, but overall?

[AdmiralViscen]

I don't think Ratchet future is better then UYA. It's probably on par with it, but only for graphics whoreism.

UYA still let you re-upgrade your weapons on new game + right? In Future it just increased your damage, no nifty new shit.

[Van Cruncheon]

this forum hasn't been collectively kind to many games. i think of the recent spate of games, mgs4 got off the easiest, and gta4 -- also a 360 great white hope -- got the most pilloried. mostly we just laugh at the grim yet tragic hopefulness of sony fans, who insist on constantly attempting to calibrate the ps3's pathetic now against an illusory future only they percieve

we call this delusion, and it's fun to poke at

but it doesn't mean we play nice with the 360 library

[Van Cruncheon]

Halo 3? Fo real? Maybe on the visual front, but overall?

halo 3 got CHEWED UP for the middle-rez graphics and terrible cutscene models, as well as a boring/obnoxious pair of end missions in the sp mode. remember, most folks here are single-player only

[TVC15]

Hey, I'm digging Too Human.  It's quality C- minus gaming, and I can guarantee I will have Prole singing its graces within the next 2 weeks.

[demi]

Hey, I'm digging Too Human.  It's quality C- minus gaming, and I can guarantee I will have Prole singing its graces within the next 2 weeks.

HA I KNEW IT

[Snuflupagulus]

any value halo 3 had was thrown out on the flood level.  that was like being at a free dental clinic located next to section-8 housing and a pepsi-bottling plant.

and the greatest american hero jump at the end.  oh frankie, what did you do  

[cool breeze]

I don't think Ratchet future is better then UYA. It's probably on par with it, but only for graphics whoreism.

UYA still let you re-upgrade your weapons on new game + right? In Future it just increased your damage, no nifty new shit.

Graphics whoreism and a level where you have a glider and fight dinosaurs.

And I don't think Halo 3 is bad or anything, but I do call it out on lots of shit.  I think the main reason I do it is because I felt it was ignorant as hell to have 2 games where you had shitty enemies like the Flood, and shitty levels like the Library, get tons of bitching and complaints about how terrible they were, then think that the solution is to bring them back and have a level worse than the Library? Fuck that.

I also admit that the time when I enjoyed Halo 3 the most is after playing the Haze demo, that or the beta.

[Smooth Groove]

be nice, tvc. i am sure he is close to the eighth-grade reading level required for the mgs games or braid.

Well, I can't think of a Ratchet game that had a more terrible narrative than MGS4.  I'd say stick to the Ratchet.

Actually, these two games are far more similar than they appear to be.  Because of R&C's kiddy graphics, it's not immediately apparent that, like MGS4, R&C is not just a videogame but also a social commentary on the war economy.  While the focus of MGS4 is on the threat of PMCs, R&C chooses to tackle the subject of WMDS.  Under close examination, it can be seen that the weapon upgrading system in R&C really is a poignant metaphor for the endless cycle of big weapons generating more money and more money generating even bigger weapons.  

[AdmiralViscen]

this forum hasn't been collectively kind to many games. i think of the recent spate of games, mgs4 got off the easiest, and gta4 -- also a 360 great white hope -- got the most pilloried. mostly we just laugh at the grim yet tragic hopefulness of sony fans, who insist on constantly attempting to calibrate the ps3's pathetic now against an illusory future only they percieve

we call this delusion, and it's fun to poke at

but it doesn't mean we play nice with the 360 library

And when the tentpole PS3 games come out, they get played by the members of this forum

Something the brow-beating Sony fans will not do with the 360 games they can't afford to play

[Flannel Boy]

be nice, tvc. i am sure he is close to the eighth-grade reading level required for the mgs games or braid.

Well, I can't think of a Ratchet game that had a more terrible narrative than MGS4.  I'd say stick to the Ratchet.

Actually, these two games are far more similar than they appear to be.  Because of R&C's kiddy graphics, it's not immediately apparent that, like MGS4, R&C is not just a videogame but also a social commentary on the war economy.  While the focus of MGS4 is on the threat of PMCs, R&C chooses to tackle the subject of WMDS.  Under close examination, it can be seen that the weapon upgrading system in R&C really is a poignant metaphor for the endless cycle of big weapons generating more money and more money generating even bigger weapons.  

 

[pilonv1]

halo 3 was only useful for 4 player co-op which fucking RULED.

as xfag emp said I was done with standard FPS multi after R6 Vegas and COD4 multi was awesome.

[TVC15]

4 player coop ruled.  Aside from that, it felt like Halo 2.5, really.  I am sure the multiplayer was much improved, but I'm not really into that.

[JustinP]

i was surprised to see the backlash to my pixar statement, but it seems everybody here dreams of Wall-E tickling their balls at night.  do you guys still watch saturday morning cartoons, too?  big fans of Ben Ten or what?  maybe not, but i bet you queers could throw a tantrum over precisely why Ben Ten isn't up to par with fucking Teen Titans.  i wasn't saying ratchet was billiance among filth -- i don't care much for ratchet and i can barely stand watching pixar films one time through. 

remember, most folks here are single-player only

that explains everything.  this forum is a bunch of pussies. 

[Himu]

when are they going to stop making these games and make more sly cooper games.

[JustinP]

i did see wall-e

[demi]

when are they going to stop making these games and make more sly cooper games.

Like I dunno, maybe when they finish Infamous

[Himu]

sly cooper > infamous

[Himu]

Why do you guys keep calling us Xbots when most of us are pretty much Sony fans who almost all pimp psx, ps2, and psp? The only thing sony related we have beef with here is the ps3 and even then, we get xbuck the same amount of shit.

sigh.

It's just that ps3 fanboys always fall for the bait.

Shit, I haven't played my 360 in 2 goddamn months. That's pathetic. Can't wait to get my ps3.

[demi]

Himuro's a loser, dont worry about what he says, he had a hard time paying $40 back

[demi]

It's to make up for the lack of PC threads cause PC gaming sucks

[pilonv1]

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=219035&page=2

Apart from the length, the lack of new weapons is also disappointing. The wrench abilities are nice, but they're no substitute for a new Groovitron. Instead we get old favourites the Predator Launcher (allowing you to direct a few targeted rockets while dodging incoming fire), and the trusty old Combuster and Fusion Grenades, along with the Tornado Launcher, Shock Ravager, Nano-Swarmers and the Alpha Cannon, most of which are simply given to you, rendering all the bolt-collection largely moot. There's no Trophy support either - apparently the game was already complete when Sony patched in the PS3's new Achievement-esque reward system.

Which doesn't leave a lot to be enthusiastic about, as we can only mention the wrench abilities so many times. Quest for Booty is a solid, funny little platform game with good camerawork and controls so long established that their pristine execution scarcely warrants mention, but it feels so much like a regular Ratchet & Clank game that it's jarring to discover it ends so quickly, leaving us to damn it over and over again with faint praise. At GBP 9.99 it's probably worth it for a couple of evenings of entertainment, but for all the respawning swashbucklers and the catchy Pirates of the Caribbean style theme tune, it's could really do with another significant hook.

7/10

[pilonv1]

1UP - 7.5
IGN - 7.4
PS3 Fanboy - 7.5
Total Playstation - 7.0
Eurogamer - 7.0

seems over for r&c

[y2kev]

I can't believe every shitty PS3 exclusive gets such huge threads here. Every single one.

What happened to the Bore I love?

Jesus fucking christ borys, could you be any more tarded? Yeah, since you got here a whole six months ago the forum has been OVERFLOWING with sfags including dfyb and duckman, who create 4000 post threads for tentpole PS3 releases. in this thread they sacrifice things to ken and also have gay sex.

Another quality PS3 exclusive like Lair, Heavenly Sword and Genji 2.

LBP, Heavy Rain and Afrika next.

Hype those exclusives, sfags. Hype them good.

Yeah, huge group of people hyping LAIR, Genji 2, and Afrika on the bore you love. Oh wait, you're referring to a non-present mythical quantity of "sfags" somewhere else. BORE YOU LOVEEEE

lulz, you're hyping dragon age

[bud]

leper borys
heal tvc

[tiesto]

I haven't played any of the Ratchet games on the PS2, but downloaded the demo of Future Tools of Destruction and really enjoyed myself... especially compared to most of what else is out on PS3 at the moment. What is the best Ratchet game for me to play? Pref. the most platforming-heavy with the best level design.

And due to all the AltogetherAndrews hype, I finally played the Haze demo for the first time last night, and yeah it's not that great a game... controls feel too loose and the enemies seem like they just absorb bullets, it lacks the "weight" of other FPSes like say the Halo series (still the best "feel" in an FPS in my opinion).

[Phoenix Dark]

be nice, tvc. i am sure he is close to the eighth-grade reading level required for the mgs games or braid.

Well, I can't think of a Ratchet game that had a more terrible narrative than MGS4.  I'd say stick to the Ratchet.

Actually, these two games are far more similar than they appear to be.  Because of R&C's kiddy graphics, it's not immediately apparent that, like MGS4, R&C is not just a videogame but also a social commentary on the war economy.  While the focus of MGS4 is on the threat of PMCs, R&C chooses to tackle the subject of WMDS.  Under close examination, it can be seen that the weapon upgrading system in R&C really is a poignant metaphor for the endless cycle of big weapons generating more money and more money generating even bigger weapons. 

  

[AdmiralViscen]

Maybe I'll put you on ignore after all

I haven't played any of the Ratchet games on the PS2, but downloaded the demo of Future Tools of Destruction and really enjoyed myself... especially compared to most of what else is out on PS3 at the moment. What is the best Ratchet game for me to play? Pref. the most platforming-heavy with the best level design.

And due to all the AltogetherAndrews hype, I finally played the Haze demo for the first time last night, and yeah it's not that great a game... controls feel too loose and the enemies seem like they just absorb bullets, it lacks the "weight" of other FPSes like say the Halo series (still the best "feel" in an FPS in my opinion).

Going Commando, no question.

1UP - 7.5
IGN - 7.4
PS3 Fanboy - 7.5
Total Playstation - 7.0
Eurogamer - 7.0

seems over for r&c

When all is said and done it'll be within 2 points of Too Human on gamerankings.

[duckman2000]

And I don't think Halo 3 is bad or anything, but I do call it out on lots of shit.  I think the main reason I do it is because I felt it was ignorant as hell to have 2 games where you had shitty enemies like the Flood, and shitty levels like the Library, get tons of bitching and complaints about how terrible they were, then think that the solution is to bring them back and have a level worse than the Library? Fuck that.

You know, I'll never understand the hate for The Flood, or the Library level. It felt like a cool throw-back to splat 'em dead shooters like Doom  and Quake. Those balloon critters got to be annoying, but the more "evolved" Flood felt like pretty good opposition.

And due to all the AltogetherAndrews hype, I finally played the Haze demo for the first time last night, and yeah it's not that great a game... controls feel too loose and the enemies seem like they just absorb bullets, it lacks the "weight" of other FPSes like say the Halo series (still the best "feel" in an FPS in my opinion).

Hey man, don't blame me. I disowned that one well in advance of even the demo.

[AdmiralViscen]

Yea, can we stop bringing up Haze vs AA over and over again.

I like the Library in co op, it's very intense and really forces the two players to budget their weapon pickups and cooperate. I like that level a lot in co op, even if it's boring and frustrating in SP.

Cortana though, that level fucking blows no matter what.

[duckman2000]

Cortana, is that in Halo 3? I haven't gotten out of the jungle yet.

By the way, I second the Going Commando recommendation. It seems to be more popular to recommend Up Your Arsenal, but I think Going Commando is the overall most fun of them. Gameplay (gunplay) had been dramatically improved from the first game, but it still had a colorful platformer base.

[Kestastrophe]

I still consider Going Commando my favorite game of all-time. I think that UYA improved upon everything and the MP was fantastic, but it was alot shorter than GC. I loved the bomb in GC that created a mushroom cloud upon impact.

[AdmiralViscen]

Cortana, is that in Halo 3? I haven't gotten out of the jungle yet.

By the way, I second the Going Commando recommendation. It seems to be more popular to recommend Up Your Arsenal, but I think Going Commando is the overall most fun of them. Gameplay (gunplay) had been dramatically improved from the first game, but it still had a colorful platformer base.

It's Halo 3's anal library.


Also, Ratchet - which game was it that had the lava gun? It always annoyed me that the level 1 lava stream turned into some stupid chunky rock launcher at higher levels. It went from  my favorite gun to my least used. Anyone else have this feeling?