the wii is gone!

[cool breeze]

TVC is actually one of the few MGS fans here so he wasn't trolling about there being better stuff to play on the PS2. 

MGS is one of my favorite series but the games have always been kinda crap in terms of gameplay mechanics. 

I think that only MGS3 was really behind in terms of gameplay when it was released.  MGS2 had really impressive gameplay at the time, and I would actually argue that even today many aspects of the game are still impressive.

n64 battle mode was mario kart's one moment of accidental brilliance. will the rest of the series please deposit itself in the shïtbin thank you

Mario Kart 64 battle mode was great because of one reason:  BLOCK FORT.

Whoever made Block Fort should get a medal.

[Eel O'Brian]

my friend had a n64 and one of those disc doctor drives, but we never played mk64

we did play the hell out of one of those army men games, though

sniping people from a toilet seat was lulz

[drohne]

the 'soulfulness' of a mascot kart racing game is at zero or subzero by default -- it's not a relevant criterion. but mk64 battle mode on block fort was the kind of accessible but crunchy arcade multiplayer gaming that nintendo often aims for and misses. again, i'm convinced that this was an accidental success -- all the other maps are awful, and subsequent games have hardly bothered with battle mode

[TVC15]

Yeah, MGS2 had pretty impressive gameplay elements. . .too bad the game didn't require you to use them much.  I love the game, and I do think that every entry has interesting gameplay, but they just don't have you using it so much.

[MyNameIsMethodis]

Like shooting glass to distract guards.

Thanks for that one conveniently places glass window, Kojisuck!

[Eel O'Brian]

that reminds me, need to ebay that MGS essentials set

[Smooth Groove]

I've always believed that MGS's sluggish controls and up-close camera were better suited for indoor environments.  MGS3 was a better game overall than MGS2 but the outdoor environments made the typical MGS flaws even more glaring.  

[Oblivion]

I didn't care for Double Dash, but bob omb battle in Pipe Plaza was fuckin awesome.

[Guybrush Threepwood]

who wants to play anything on the ds when there's the PSP?

Ace Attorney is the reason why I own a DS, actually.

[drew]

[TVC15]

There are plenty of good games on the DS.  The hardware may be garbage, but it's got a decent library.  Both of the active handhelds are worth owning.

[Van Cruncheon]

yeah, the ds finally has enough good games that i can't really ding it.

[Eel O'Brian]

i want to play that panzer tactics ds game

i thought about getting a cheap ds fat model just for that

[Guybrush Threepwood]

The hardware may be garbage

At least developers have realized this and have stopped making 3D games for the most part. I will be glad when the days of ugly-as-sin N64/PS1/Saturn 3D graphics are totally behind us.

[Eel O'Brian]

psp2 better have two analog sticks to fully support my ps1 pirating

[Guybrush Threepwood]

Speaking of PSP, I am thinking about buying one to use as a portable emulation machine with a few legit PSP games on the side.

Worth it?

[demi]

Yes, considering we dont know when the new motherboard variant will be hacked

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Mario Kart Wii was a step down from the DS version, which almost made me think the series had redeemed itself.  The new courses range from pitiful to barely passable.  The idea of 24 or so kart racers was a decent idea but instead of bringing back a couple of the Koopa Kids, they went the tard route and decided to go with Baby Luigi and Toadette.  Speaking of going the tard route, they completely fucked up the SNES courses.  

The only fun thing about it was owning 12 year old Europeans online.  

[Eel O'Brian]

well, i like it

[Smooth Groove]

Speaking of PSP, I am thinking about buying one to use as a portable emulation machine with a few legit PSP games on the side.

Worth it?

Sure. The current Slim's screen is already pretty good plus you know it's hackable.  If you want the new model, you're going to have wait a few months for it to be released + however long it takes to be hacked.  

[Eel O'Brian]

psp is awesome, does a great job emulating

there's even a decent comic reader you can hack into it

[TVC15]

psp is awesome, does a great job emulating

there's even a decent comic reader you can hack into it

Oh really?  What's the name?  I'd get a lot of mileage out of that.

[Eel O'Brian]

PSPComic

http://archaemic.awardspace.com/psp/?cat=3

[y2kev]

Bit of a PSP drought now gamewise.

[Smooth Groove]

There's been a PSP drought for 2yrs.  People can't complain though since they get their PSP games for free.

[laesperanzapaz]

As much as I hate on the Wii and NIntendo, I'm one of those who thinks Nintendo didn't go REALLY downhil until the GC era.  Both the N64 and GC have great games at the end of their lives [which I doubt Wii will be so], but GC showed to me that Miyamoto was no longer important, and Nintendo had run out of ideas.

And for teh record, MK64 is my favorite MK series.  It was such a blast at the time. Same with Goldeneye.  Even if in hindsight, it's pretty damn overrated.

And PS2 is my favorite console of all time, obviously.  Now I wish there was a SNES/Genesis two-in-one machine.  Can anyone pick one? THere's just NES+SNES, or NES+Genesis, or something.  ANd I dont give a shit about 8bit outside of select few titles.

Speaking of which, handhelds sucked up until the GBA.

[cool breeze]

There's been a PSP drought for 2yrs.  People can't complain though since they get their PSP games for free.

I buy my games!

And yeah, PSP needs more support.  SE and Bend are rocking it.

[Greatness Gone]

There's been a PSP drought for 2yrs.  People can't complain though since they get their PSP games for free.

Pretty much. The only games I've actually bought are the Ac!d games.

So happy I didn't buy Crisis Core. Gyllengod, what an abomination. LOL @ people crying over the ending. It was just layered with gay metaphors and stuff.

[tiesto]

As much as I hate on the Wii and NIntendo, I'm one of those who thinks Nintendo didn't go REALLY downhil until the GC era.  Both the N64 and GC have great games at the end of their lives [which I doubt Wii will be so], but GC showed to me that Miyamoto was no longer important, and Nintendo had run out of ideas.

And for teh record, MK64 is my favorite MK series.  It was such a blast at the time. Same with Goldeneye.  Even if in hindsight, it's pretty damn overrated.

And PS2 is my favorite console of all time, obviously.  Now I wish there was a SNES/Genesis two-in-one machine.  Can anyone pick one? THere's just NES+SNES, or NES+Genesis, or something.  ANd I dont give a shit about 8bit outside of select few titles.

Speaking of which, handhelds sucked up until the GBA.

There's some nice stuff for GB actually:
-FFL2
-FFA
-Link's Awakening
-Mole Mania
-Balloon Kid
-Gargoyle's Quest
-Super Mario Land 2

And GBC had the DQ remixes, which were really good, along with the Oracles games.

[Tabasco]

I only owned a PS2 last gen for about 5 months to play through a few exclusives I missed.  And even then, I was hardly impressed by Killzone/Ico/God of War.  Real gamers last gen played XBOX and maybe a little PC if they liked Excel a lot.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

No, I still think the N64 was the beginning of their downfall.  After Ocarina of Time, Nintendo decided to make a bunch of no effort party games.  I guess you can count Majora's Mask and maybe, just maybe, Paper Mario as exceptions.  Didn't stop them from making several Mario Parties, Mario sports titles, and Pokemon Stadiums.  Nintendo just got lazy is all.  If they can make all these great sales from these half assed efforts, why bother trying?  That was pretty much their Game Cube philosophy.  Miyamoto was not important because you can rake in more money by releasing annual Mario Party titles.

Now Nintendo is even lazier.  They've abandoned even the complexities of the annual Mario themed party games and just went to the minimalist Wii Sports, Wii Fit, and Wii Music.  Which makes me think that quality titles we got like Mario Galaxy are the best the Wii is ever going to get.  It is all downhill from here.

[Crushed]

Didn't stop them from making several Mario Parties, Mario sports titles, and Pokemon Stadiums.

Nintendo didn't make those. Those games were either outsourced or made by second parties who focused on those titles.

[Oblivion]

No, I still think the N64 was the beginning of their downfall.  After Ocarina of Time, Nintendo decided to make a bunch of no effort party games.  I guess you can count Majora's Mask and maybe, just maybe, Paper Mario as exceptions.  Didn't stop them from making several Mario Parties, Mario sports titles, and Pokemon Stadiums.  Nintendo just got lazy is all.  If they can make all these great sales from these half assed efforts, why bother trying?  That was pretty much their Game Cube philosophy.  Miyamoto was not important because you can rake in more money by releasing annual Mario Party titles.

Now Nintendo is even lazier.  They've abandoned even the complexities of the annual Mario themed party games and just went to the minimalist Wii Sports, Wii Fit, and Wii Music.  Which makes me think that quality titles we got like Mario Galaxy are the best the Wii is ever going to get.  It is all downhill from here.

Well, to be fair, after Ocarina of Time, every third party dev fully jumped ship to PS1. Nintendo had no choice but to make whatever they could as fast as they could (and as Crushed mentioned, the parties and shit were outsourced).

Though you are still somewhat correct since Nintendo's strategy after Ocarina was to make games cheaper, with smaller teams and churn them out much faster, since games like Ocarina took so much of Nintendo's resources.

[T234]

My sister was enjoying Indiana Jones Lego yesterday.

I guess the console ain't all that bad. Not selling.

You're Portuguese, right?

Does your sister date complete nerd trainwreck maniacs?

[TVC15]

Twilight Princess is not a good game.  Wind Waker may have been front-loaded, with all of the good content in the first half, but being back-loaded, like TP, just sucks.  TP is just a poorly designed game.  It's tied with OoT as the worst Zelda game. 

[demi]

Just bumping this thread to remind Borys that he is in fact wrong

[Tundra]

Twilight Princess is not a good game.  Wind Waker may have been front-loaded, with all of the good content in the first half, but being back-loaded, like TP, just sucks.  TP is just a poorly designed game.  It's tied with OoT as the worst Zelda game. 

At least they tried something different in the first half of Twilight Princess, the rest was just the usual run-o-the-mill Zeldaish going from Dungeon to Dungeon...

Wood Temple, Fire Temple, Water Temple, my ass...

*yawn*

[Madrun Badrun]

PS2 >  Gamecube >>>>>>>DS >>>> xbox 1

That's right fuckers. 

[Crushed]

Twilight Princess is not a good game.  Wind Waker may have been front-loaded, with all of the good content in the first half, but being back-loaded, like TP, just sucks.  TP is just a poorly designed game.  It's tied with OoT as the worst Zelda game. 

TP just barely edges out OoT for me because of superior art and sound.

Other than that, yes, TP is pretty much tied with OoT for worst 3D Zelda. (Phantom Hourglass is the worst Zelda, both 2D and overall)

[Guybrush Threepwood]

Phantom Hourglass is the worst Zelda, both 2D and overall

Agreed

And Link's Awakening is the best.

[MyNameIsMethodis]

My Gamestop has 3 brand new wii's and two used wii's for sale for the past week, and no ones buying them.

Wii fad confirmed.

[Eel O'Brian]

hahaha, ok dude

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Well, to be fair, after Ocarina of Time, every third party dev fully jumped ship to PS1. Nintendo had no choice but to make whatever they could as fast as they could (and as Crushed mentioned, the parties and shit were outsourced).

Though you are still somewhat correct since Nintendo's strategy after Ocarina was to make games cheaper, with smaller teams and churn them out much faster, since games like Ocarina took so much of Nintendo's resources.

Yeah but that almost sounds worse.  Nintendo decided to give up and let HAL Laboratories or Hudson Soft do their games instead.  There was the Super Mario 64-2, which was announced since probably before the original's release, you had Earthbound 64 that never saw the light of day, etc.  Nintendo after Ocarina of Time axed any games that required any developer ambition.  This vision has continued to stick with Nintendo until Twilight Princess and even then, other than Super Mario Galaxy, Nintendo has continued their vision of laziness.

At the end of the day, corporations just care about profit and Nintendo is raking it in.  Doesn't mean that I have to simply accept half baked software and software with stunted potential.  Not when there are three other platforms that are delivering in spades, well, two more than the other one.

[Crushed]

Uh, except Nintendo's internal teams still worked on plenty of games that had no relation to parties or Pokemon. 

[MyNameIsMethodis]

hahaha, ok dude

I'm serious. I almost bought one today, but then I remember this thread.

[Eel O'Brian]

they won't be there for very long

it's still august, too

[MyNameIsMethodis]

They've been there a week. There's even copies of WiiFit unsold.

[Crushed]

Y'know, while Methodis and Wolf Gang SEEM to be just trolling, sometimes I think they actually fantasize about their ravings being true.

[MyNameIsMethodis]

Why would I be trolling? I actually want a wii again but don't have the funds. I almost bought one today. Call them yourselves if you don't believe me, here's their number:

GameStop #6232
Littleton Commons
562 Meadow Street
Littleton NH, 03561 US
6034442437
Distance: 21.32 miles

EDIT: And heres a little story about the Gamestop today form when I went:

A women comes in with her son and daughter and goes up to one of the Gamestop workers and was like "Can I ask a question?" He was like "Sure go ahead." She says "I was recently in Thailand and I bought one of these thigns for my son, the guy over there asked my son 20 games he wanted and put them on this little thing for him" and her son pulls out a M3 Real.  She starts to ask the guy were she can get pirated games on the internet and he just said "Did you try google?" while trying to get her out of his store (she wanted him to FILL the cart up with games). I was secretly laughing, but then realized how much of a fucking nerd I am for knowing exactly what she wanted.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I remember that around this time last year, Wii systems could be found on the shelves.  So I could believe a few used Wiis are out there.  Don't expect it to be around for long.

On an upside, I sold two of my games.  Up to $295 now.  For a dirty poor like me, that $295 

[MyNameIsMethodis]

They had 3 brand new wii's, one used, and one refurbished.

[Eel O'Brian]

I don't think you're trolling

it's just anecdotal evidence, though

for instance, it took me two weeks to find a wii here in wilmington nc

then toys r us got some in and i walked right in and bought one

those wiis won't be there once the holiday season starts proper, and you won't see any more on the shelves until after christmas

[Mupepe]

I got a Wii yesterday 

[MyNameIsMethodis]

I don't think you're trolling

it's just anecdotal evidence, though

for instance, it took me two weeks to find a wii here in wilmington nc

then toys r us got some in and i walked right in and bought one

those wiis won't be there once the holiday season starts proper, and you won't see any more on the shelves until after christmas

Oh I was just throwing in the "wii is a fad confirmed" thing as a joke. I was just posting saying how incredibly lucky I am having the ability to find a wii if I want some

[Eel O'Brian]

i think it has another year before the real downturn begins, because you were actually right, it is a fad on a lot of levels

nintendo has been smart enough to keep the flow of expensive near-useless nongame peripherals going, though, so i may be off the mark there

i don't even know where my friend code or whatever is

mups, i advise turning off that wiiconnect24, my system would get kind of warm leaving it on all the time

[Mr. Gundam]

I only owned a PS2 last gen for about 5 months to play through a few exclusives I missed.  And even then, I was hardly impressed by Killzone/Ico/God of War.  Real gamers last gen played XBOX and maybe a little PC if they liked Excel a lot.

The original Xbox had lots of wonderful games, but seriously, the PS2 was THE console of the last generation.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Nostalgia aside, the PS2 is probably the best system to have ever been released.  The variety and volume of games, with dozens of classics, I don't know of a better system.  At least not without rose colored tinted glasses of youth who will probably say NES, SNES, or Genesis.

[Tabasco]

The original Xbox had lots of wonderful games, but seriously, the PS2 was THE console of the last generation.

Oh for 95% of gamers I'd agree.  But I'm everythig kev and drohne despise about xbots.

I basically don't care for anything from Japan, fighting games, action platformers, or button mashers.  I'll play kiddie games when I have a kid and if I am at a party, I don't want to play a damn videogame.  I am a lapsed PC gamer who wanted shooters on a console.  I bought a HDTV and updated my AVR/speaker setup for XBOX's superior home theater capabilities.  I admit to being shallow.   

[y2kev]

hey 

i'm plenty shallow! i dislike xbots because they're friggen annoying! you're not going to tell me you didn't see benbird's "hey, too human is fun" avatar and didn't want to smash him in the face. or his other avatars. or his phrasing. actually if you've seen one of his posts i'm sure you identify.

i don't hate xbots any more than i hate any other fanbots; i still find salestards the most annoying, then ntards, extreme xbots, then the sony fans that attack me for disliking major sony franchise iterations like ratchet, then regular xbots and sonytards.

i still do like 90% of my gaming on a 360!

360 woot! go 360! chugga chugga

I did most of my gaming on PS2 last gen but always multiplatform gaming on the Xbox. My collections were about equal until 2005 when I started snatching up cheap PS2 games (and I continue to snatch them up...I just bought Extermination for 2.80 yesterday). Now I have a ton of PS2 games and I haven't really bought much on Xbox (but I still buy them when I see 'em cheap, got Indigo Prophecy and Megaman Anniversary this summer). I only have a few GC games.

[MyNameIsMethodis]

I enjoyed music games the most last gen, and the Xbox had a grand total of 7, so I had to go with the PS2.

The xbox music games:
Xbox Music Mixer (Terrible. Lips will be just as bad)
Karaoke Revolution (Amazing, but on PS2)
Karaoke Revolution Party (Better on PS2)
In the Groove (lol)
DDR Ultramix
DDR Ultramix 2 (both terrible)
MTV Music Generator 2 (better on PS2)