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The Palin interview: anyone have those head-desk gifs?
« on: September 12, 2008, 06:08:13 PM »
I just re-watched the first chunk, covering foreign policy.  Not sure if any of the other have aired yet.

But GODDAM there is something wrong with our politics when this isn't being covered as a complete disaster with the GOP scrambling their defenses and McCain thinking about dropping her.

It's a horrible mix of brazen cluelessness, casual warmongering, and faux-Canadian pronunciation.  Grah.

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Re: The Palin interview: anyone have those head-desk gifs?
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2008, 06:11:47 PM »
the more moderate talk radio chatter here in seattle/portland just chewed her up this morning. it's of no real consequence given that the people that need to hear it aren't within broadcast range -- the northwest doesn't really have religious faux-conservatives, only nutty libertarians already disaffected towards palin -- but it's still nice to hear savaging from folks that aren't olbermann-esque noise factories.
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Re: The Palin interview: anyone have those head-desk gifs?
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2008, 06:42:54 PM »
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In the video of her remarks, Palin says "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [US soldiers] out on a task that is from God." She is clearly praying for wisdom for our national leaders - praying that they are following God's will.

This is Christianity 101, not some fundamentalist plot to wage a holy war. Presumably, Obama, as a Christian, utters similar prayers for our country as well.

I don't see how she can interpret it that way.
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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2008, 07:35:02 PM »
I actually don't have a problem with that prayer comment.  When I first read it I thought it was clear she was doing the "pray that we are doing what God wants" rather than "pray to tell God to get off his ass and do what I want."  There's another one where she wanted God to help get her some federal funding which was a lot more egregious.

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Re: The Palin interview: anyone have those head-desk gifs?
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2008, 08:12:23 PM »
She's teflon, who cares. I don't remember the last time I've felt so fucking helpless about something politics wise. No matter what she says and does people will continue to gravitate towards her. To the point where she can tell multiple lies every fucking day and not be called on it, and when the media happens to actually do their job no one pays attention. Just focus on McCain while jabbing her on the issues briefly I guess, because her numbers aren't going down. And when she utterly bombs the debate? "She didn't do well, but she'll learn!"

we're so fucked. i didn't watch my buddies die face down in the mud so this liar, this...  :-\
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« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2008, 08:58:21 PM »
Can't wait to see the left's howling next week when Hannity has her.


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Re: The Palin interview: anyone have those head-desk gifs?
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2008, 09:00:55 PM »
Can't wait to see the left's howling next week when Hannity has her.

I know the right is in the midst of a love affair with this woman (and I will not deny her milf-i-ness) but I really don't think it would be appropriate to have Hannity fuck her on camera.  Then again, perhaps she would be even MORE appealing to you folks if she was preggers again!
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« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2008, 09:14:05 PM »
She's teflon, who cares. I don't remember the last time I've felt so fucking helpless about something politics wise. No matter what she says and does people will continue to gravitate towards her. To the point where she can tell multiple lies every fucking day and not be called on it, and when the media happens to actually do their job no one pays attention. Just focus on McCain while jabbing her on the issues briefly I guess, because her numbers aren't going down. And when she utterly bombs the debate? "She didn't do well, but she'll learn!"

we're so fucked. i didn't watch my buddies die face down in the mud so this liar, this...  :-\
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Re: The Palin interview: anyone have those head-desk gifs?
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2008, 09:26:30 PM »
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« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2008, 01:24:27 AM »
Transcript here.

* Apparently "Alaska is close to Russia" is officially endorsed by McCain and Palin as evidence of her experience.  Yikes.  I thought just a couple of the dumbest talking heads would try to play that card.

* She dodges the issue of Abkhazia and Ossetia.

* The NATO thing comes up after Gibson asks her if Georgia should be a member and she says yes.  Oy.  This changes the context of her war in Georgia answer.  It's no longer just a hypothetical about Georgia in NATO, but a hypothetical based on her own preferred policy.

* She greenlights an Israeli strike against Iran, which we shouldn't even "second-guess" much less stop.  I assume she's giving clearance to use Iraqi airspace.

* The Bush Doctrine bit is the highlight of course.  She has no idea what it is and tries to BS through it.

* Gibson actually botches it a bit, saying it involves preemption rather than preventive war (one is "OMG they're about to attack us tomorrow!" and the second is "OMG they might eventually have weapons then decide to attack someone!").  Palin uses an imminent threat standard, which reminds me of Bush and his supporters in 2003/4 being completely adamant that they never called Iraq an imminent threat.

* She really doesn't want to answer yes or no on that Pakistan incursion question.  Probably because the answer is yes but there was an idiotic hubbub when Obama said so last year.



This is not a woman who has been interested, even as an amateur observer, in foreign policy.  She has no clue what's going on and no compunction repeating what she's told, even if those ideas would involve massive amounts of death and suffering.

Someone wrote that the worst thing George W. Bush ever did was not realize he wasn't cut out to be president.  I think Palin's got all the same chipper, ignorant hubris that he did back then.  There was never a hint that she thought about the magnitude of dealing with the world as president, rather than just repeating McCain's talking points phonetically.

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Re: The Palin interview: anyone have those head-desk gifs?
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2008, 01:28:21 AM »
Palin is worse than Bush.  At least Bush has been in politics since his 20s, started (and failed) businesses, owned a sports team, and has family that is in politics.  Palin has none of this but by God, she killed a moose with a high powered rifle.
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« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2008, 01:58:01 AM »
There was a minor subplot going into this interview.

Palin used to support Pat Buchanan, who was an avatar for the right wing of the party in the early 90's but is now an outsider who is opposed to Bush's foreign policy.  Some people were worrying/hoping that Palin might have the same America-first, anti-intervention outlook on foreign policy which would completely contradict the McCain/Lieberman take.

Of course this didn't happen and it was never going to.

Buchanan and his ragtag bunch of curmudgeons at the American Conservative are a curiosity.  They don't represent a significant chunk of the American right.

On the other hand the neocons do have a fairly large constituency.  It's commonly called the Republican Party.  Most of their core assumptions have been adopted by every GOP primary candidate except Ron Paul, by the think tanks and magazines that orbit the party, and by the talk radio call-in base.

This doesn't represent the big shift in thinking that a lot of people say it does.  There was never a big intellectual struggle between isolationist paleos and hawkish neocons; Republican foreign policy instincts have been pretty contiguous.

The GOP always supported a hawkish policy based on suspicion of foreigners.  This manifested itself as anticommunism during the Cold War, isolationism/sovereignism when there was no big enemy, and anti-Islamism after 9/11.

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« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2008, 11:27:56 AM »
God, fucking Palin.

Worst fucking VP choice ever.
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Re: The Palin interview: anyone have those head-desk gifs?
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2008, 11:45:27 AM »
Just remember, McCain LOST the nomination to Bush last election. That has to hold shit tons of weight.

Oh, and smh at the "Obama, more of the same" ads....

*pulling hair out*
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« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2008, 03:46:23 PM »
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Sarah Palin on Congressional Spending and the ''Bridge to Nowhere':

GIBSON: One of John McCain's central campaign arguments, tenets of his campaign, is eliminating earmarks, getting rid of them. Are you with John McCain on that?

PALIN: I certainly am. And of course the poster child for the earmarks was Alaska's, what people in the lower 48 refer to as the bridge to nowhere. First it was a bridge to community with an airport in southeast Alaska. But that was excessive. And an earmark -- an earmark like that, not even supported necessarily by the majority of Alaskans. We killed that earmark. We killed that project...

GIBSON: You have said continually, since he chose you as his vice presidential nominee, that I said to Congress, thanks but not thanks. If we're going to build that bridge, we'll build it ourselves.

PALIN: Right.

GIBSON: But it's now pretty clearly documented. You supported that bridge before you opposed it. You were wearing a T-shirt in the 2006 campaign, showed your support for the bidge to nowhere.

PALIN: I was wearing a T-shirt with the Zip code of the community that was asking for that bridge. Not all the people in that community even were asking for a $400 million or $300 million bridge.


GIBSON: But you turned against it after Congress had basically pulled the plug on it; after it became apparent that the state was going to have to pay for it, not the Congress; and after it became a national embarrassment to the state of Alaska. So do you want to revise and extend your remarks?

PALIN: It has always been an embarrassment that abuse of the ear form -- earmark process has been accepted in Congress. And that's what John McCain has fought. And that's what I joined him in fighting. It's been an embarrassment, not just Alaska's projects. But McCain gives example after example after example. I mean, every state has their embarrassment. And, as I've said over and over, if Alaska wants that bridge, $300 million, $400 million dollars, over to that island with an airport, we'll find a way to build it ourselves. The rest of the country doesn't have to build that for us.

GIBSON: But you were for it before you were against it. You were solidly for it for quite some period of time...

PALIN: I was ...

GIBSON: ... until Congress pulled the plug.

PALIN: I was for infrastructure being built in the state. And it's not inappropriate for a mayor or for a governor to request and to work with their Congress and their congressmen, their congresswomen, to plug into the federal budget along with every other state a share of the federal budget for infrastructure.

GIBSON: Right.

PALIN: What I supported was the link between a community and its airport. And we have found that link now.

GIBSON: But you didn't say no to Congress, well build it ourselves until after they pulled the plug. Correct?

PALIN: No, because Congress still allowed those dollars to come into Alaska. They did.

GIBSON: Well, but ...

PALIN: Transportation fund dollars still came into Alaska. It was our choice, Charlie, whether we were going to spend it on a bridge or not. And I said, thanks, but no thanks. We're not going to spend it on the bridge.
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Palin on earmarks

GIBSON: The state of Alaska, under OMB figures in 2008, got $155 million in earmarks for a population of 670,000. That's $231 per person in Alaska. The state of Illinois, Obama's state, got $22 per person. You got 10 times per person as much. How does that square with your reforms?

PALIN: We have drastically, drastically reduced our earmark request since I came into office.


GIBSON: But you still have multiple of any other state.

PALIN: We sure are -- and this is what -- you go out and you ask any Alaskan this. This is what I've been telling Alaskans for these years that I've been in office, is no more.

What the fuck? So being a maverick basically entails doing the status quo for the majority of your time in office, then turning around and saying "NO MOAR" once you begin running for office? Huh
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Re: The Palin interview: anyone have those head-desk gifs?
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2008, 03:53:37 PM »
Allowing something to happen while scolding other people for it seems like an accurate description of McCain style maverickosity.

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« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2008, 04:06:50 PM »
The worst part is that she's turning on more voters than she's turning off.
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« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2008, 04:10:42 PM »
The worst part is that she's turning on more voters than she's turning off.

TMI, Willco!  TMI.

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« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2008, 04:13:27 PM »
The worst part is that she's turning on more voters than she's turning off.

More voters are less likely to vote for McCain due to her than any other VP choice in (documented) history. I think she's energizing a lot of people who already planned on voting for McCain, and the breakdowns of the Gallup/kos/etc polls by region seem to suggest that as well; McCain's numbers have soared in the south while Obama is still leading in every other region of the country. She's definitely popular with women and voters in general. We'll see how she effects things in the next couple weeks
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« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2008, 07:44:54 PM »
it's amazing so many women choose to be this unintelligent

it really brings their progress to an embarrassment right now
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Re: The Palin interview: anyone have those head-desk gifs?
« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2008, 10:27:39 PM »
The worst part is that she's turning on more voters than she's turning off.

More voters are less likely to vote for McCain due to her than any other VP choice in (documented) history. I think she's energizing a lot of people who already planned on voting for McCain, and the breakdowns of the Gallup/kos/etc polls by region seem to suggest that as well; McCain's numbers have soared in the south while Obama is still leading in every other region of the country. She's definitely popular with women and voters in general. We'll see how she effects things in the next couple weeks

McCain has never been doing better on electoral-vote.com or fivethirtyeight.com

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« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2008, 04:45:14 PM »
The worst part is that she's turning on more voters than she's turning off.

More voters are less likely to vote for McCain due to her than any other VP choice in (documented) history. I think she's energizing a lot of people who already planned on voting for McCain, and the breakdowns of the Gallup/kos/etc polls by region seem to suggest that as well; McCain's numbers have soared in the south while Obama is still leading in every other region of the country. She's definitely popular with women and voters in general. We'll see how she effects things in the next couple weeks

McCain has never been doing better on electoral-vote.com or fivethirtyeight.com

That's because he's solidifying red states that had been swing states before the convention: Ohio, Virginia, NC, Georgia, etc.
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Re: The Palin interview: anyone have those head-desk gifs?
« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2008, 04:55:49 PM »
Ohio and Virginia are still swing states.  NC, GA, MO and probably FL are all out of contention now.  What sucks is that if Palin drives enough people out from their hill homes here in NC to vote straight Republican we could lose an awesome chance to get rid of Liddy Dole and end up with a shitty Republican Governor to boot.
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« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2008, 05:00:06 PM »
Honestly I think Ohio is out of play. What a potentially wasted opportunity when you consider how much the state's makeup has changed (dem governor and sec of state). You'd think people there would be fucking hungry for a change in direction. I know primaries are different from general elections but the fact that Obama lost 83 of Ohio's 88 counties is not great news. They totally rejected him and still don't want to embrace his message smh

I can't help but think Virginia will go blue thanks to Warner/Kaine/etc but we'll see.

NC's voter registration numbers are crazyyyy. Obama could still win it
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« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2008, 05:03:03 PM »
New talking point defending Palin:  The Bush Doctrine is many things to many people.  Who can say what it is from one day to the next?

A very whimsical take on foreign policy.

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« Reply #26 on: September 14, 2008, 05:39:41 PM »
New talking point defending Palin:  The Bush Doctrine is many things to many people.  Who can say what it is from one day to the next?

A very whimsical take on foreign policy.

Yeah, I saw George Will try and spout that with a straight face this morning.  These have to be tough times for thinking conservatives.

And Pee Dee, I think he can still pull out Ohio.  There's still seven weeks and four debates left.  It's not gonna be all Palin, all the time from now until election.  Also I'd remind you that in the primaries you thought Obama could pull out Ohio but Texas would be a blowout for Hillary and it was the reverse in reality.
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« Reply #27 on: September 14, 2008, 05:44:05 PM »
Well....at least she's kinda hot, right?